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Understanding IP, TCP, and HTTP
- rubiquity 13y agoIt's nice to see this recent increased emphasis on Web/mobile developers understanding the technologies that link it all together. The next thing I would add is a high level overview of the sockets API. While these topics aren't critical to most day-to-day lives of developers, they are certainly useful to understand.
- marai2 13y agoThis is a very readable online book on networking and sockets: http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/output/html/multipage/index.html http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/output/html/multipage/index.html Talk about understanding the sockets API ;-) here's the content section for chapter 5: 5.1. getaddrinfo() — Prepare to launch! 5.2. socket() — Get the File Descriptor! 5.3. bind() — What port am I on? 5.4. connect() — Hey, you! 5.5. listen() — Will somebody please call me?
- nasalgoat 13y agoI had one developer with over 6 years of server-side experience who made a server/client setup where the server would open a connection to the client, pass connection info to the client, close the connection, and then have the client open a connection back to the server to return results. When I explained how TCP worked, in that the client could connect to the server and maintain an open socket to pass info continuously he was blown away. He had no idea this was possible. Explaining UDP was a lot harder. So, I welcome any education on basic TCP/IP functionality!
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 13y agoHow I love it when people without deep knowledge of some subject write authoritative sounding articles. Without guarantee of completeness, to avoid the spread of misinformation: - IPv6 fragmentation has nothing to do with some "minimum payload size" (whatever that is) - there simply is no fragmentation being done by routers, the sender still can fragment however it pleases, and presumably will do so whenever it has to send a packet that doesn't fit through the path MTU. - The end points use Packet Too big ICMP6 messages to determine _path_ MTU, which is different from just "the MTU". - With IPv4, the sender chooses whether a router will fragment when the packet exceeds the next-hop MTU or whether the router should drop the packet and send a Fragmentation Needed ICMP message - where the latter again is used for path MTU discovery. - Path MTU discovery is useful because it allows the sending IP implementation to push the chunking higher up the stack when the sending higher-level protocol has the capability (as is the case with TCP, but not with UDP, for example), which tends to produce lower overhead. Unfortunately, some clueless firewall administrators, such as those responsible for AWS EC2, do filter all ICMP because they for unknown reasons consider it to be bad, thus breaking PMTUD, which can lead to hanging TCP connections. - TCP sequence numbers are for bytes, always, with the special case of SYN and FIN also counting as "bytes" in the sequence, but never for segments.
- the_cat_kittles 13y agoJust out of curiosity, what do you do? Is this knowledge germane to where you work? I've just recently become interested in this stuff, so I'm curious to get a lay of the land.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 13y agoI do ... software development? ;-) There isn't really any particular category for what I do, though I tend to do more of the lower-level/backend stuff of projects, and knowing how the stuff that you build on works internally certainly is useful in optimizing and debugging. As for getting an understanding of how TCP/IP works, I think Stevens' classic TCP/IP Illustrated still is a good book to get started, even if somewhat dated in some details (no IPv6, in particular), but the general principles still apply. Though maybe there are newer equally good books around that I just don't know about?
- norswap 13y agoIf you want to further your understanding of network protocols, there's an excellent open textbook available here: http://cnp3book.info.ucl.ac.be/ http://cnp3book.info.ucl.ac.be/
- dd3141 13y agoWow...what a great resource! I just downloaded it and will start reading it tonight. Thanks!
- yeukhon 13y agoAlso https://www.coursera.org/course/comnetworks https://www.coursera.org/course/comnetworks is helpful. I use this to prepare interview, just so I don't have to dig my textbook.
- maaaats 13y agoAt Uni we had a book called "Computer Networking - A top down approach". One of the best teaching books I've ever read. The amount of detail is very nice balanced, and as the title says it's a top down approach where one layer at a time is discussed. Very interesting.
- greyskull 13y agoWe're using that same book, sixth edition, in my networks course right now. It's overly verbose like every other textbook, but the content is solid.
- baddox 13y agoI've heard that a good way to gauge a person's general technological literacy is to simply ask "what happens when I type a URL in a browser and hit Enter?" Obviously, the question is deliberately open-ended, and any step in the process can be broken down into more detailed steps (up to a point). I'd like to see an article that initially shows high-level steps (e.g. DNS request, HTTP request, server processing, HTTP response, parsing and rendering), but allows each step to be expanded progressively with increasing detail.
- pbhjpbhj 13y ago[Deeper] The Pauli exclusion principle prevents electrons with the same quantum characteristics from entering the same space, this interaction occurs across the amassed copper atoms which form the majority of the metallic wires that approach one another in the internal structure of the keyboard ...
- mrtbld 13y ago> There’s a misconception that restarting the (HTTP) request will fix the problem. That is not the case. Again, TCP will resend those packets that need resending on its own. But that's not true if the connection is interrupted at the socket level, right? For example, if the device switches from 3G to Wi-Fi, or from Wi-Fi to wire, then I believe, its hardware address changes, its IP address changes and the socket becomes stale. But the TCP connection, would it be closed right away or would it hang until some timeout? (And does it depend on the OS?)
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 13y agoThe layers are conceptually independent, and in a way even the concept of "switches from 3G to WiFi" is a misconception. The TCP socket doesn't know anything about any "interfaces" or "links" or anything like that, it only knows about its and the remote IP address (and port), and the IP stack will deliver any packets to it that it receives that are addressed to that port on that address coming from the corresponding remote address and port, no matter which link it was received through (possibly subject to reverse path filtering on end hosts as a security measure). Similarly, each outbound packet is routed independently, so if the routing table changes half-way through a TCP connection, packets simply will be routed via a different link (the end host really just does the same as any other router does, and the fundamental idea of packet switched networks is that routers to not know about connections, they simply forward each packet independently, potentially switching links as needed at any time). It perfectly possible, for example, to bridge between WiFi and wired ethernet, and have a gateway that routes some IP network onto that Ethernet/WiFi, then, while connected to the WiFi, establish a TCP connection, disconnect from the WiFi, connect to the Ethernet via cable, using the same IP addresss on the Ethernet interface as you previously used on the WiFi interface, and the TCP connection will survive that just fine (it might take a moment for the router to time out its neighbour cache entry and re-resolve your IP address into the new hardware address, but that's just a matter of a few seconds). You could even connect to both, configure things such that the kernel only replied to ARP/ICMP6 ND on WiFi, say, and route outbound packets through the cable, then the outbound packets of the TCP connection would go through the cable while the inbound packets would go through the air. The only thing that actually breaks a connection is when packets addressed to the address that your TCP connection is using cannot reach you anymore, or when packets you send using that address can not reach the other side anymore, for example because you send them through a link that does not allow you to use that address. The latter really is mostly what kills TCP connections on mobile phones: the default route gets changed from WiFi to G3, say, and your mobile provider won't allow you to continue sending through their network packets using the address you got assigned by the WiFi - so the connection hangs even if the WiFi interface might actually still be up and able to receive packets addressed to that address. One important thing to notice in this: There isn't really any way how a TCP implementation could detect right away that any of this has happened, as it cannot know what the filtering policies of your provider(s)/network(s) are or whether you disconnected only temporarily or whether you will reconnect to a different access point to the same network ... - so, when some mobile platform kills TCP sockets when you "change from 3G to WiFi" that really is a dirty hack that makes a load of assumptions about some typical setups that don't necessarily hold true.
- teddyh 13y agoI prefer The Unix and Internet Fundamentals HOWTO: http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWT...
- brudgers 13y agoDavid Wetherall teaches this course @ Coursera. https://www.coursera.org/course/comnetworks https://www.coursera.org/course/comnetworks He pretty much wrote the book.
- laichzeit0 13y agoIf you want to learn about IP, TCP, UDP and some of the protocols below this I would highly recommend reading Richard Stevens book TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1: The Protocols. For two reasons: It's probably one of the best introductions to the subject that has ever been written, and it's a model example of how a technical book should be written. I'd be hard pressed to find a reason not to go this route at least once in your life. I know the material pretty well but I still re-read Stevens books every few years just because it is so good.
- beggi 13y agoTCP/IP Illustrated books are super detailed. If you don't want to dive quite that deep I recommend "Computer Networking: A Top-Down Approach Featuring the Internet".
- roel_v 13y ago"I'd be hard pressed to find a reason not to go this route at least once in your life. I know the material pretty well but I still re-read Stevens books every few years just because it is so good." Then again, that's a lot of effort to spend on something that the vast majority of us don't need to know in much detail. The main reasons for knowing all the details are - to write a new networking stack, or working on an existing one; - to write or maintain server software or routers or caches or other software directly involved in networking; - to break or exploit existing software. (obviously 'because it's interesting' is a valid, but not practical reason to know)
- mje__ 13y agoIf you write anything that communicates over a network (e.g. anything using HTTP), you need to know at least some of this stuff, otherwise you're not going to be able to explain why (for example) your service call latencies have a big spike around 200ms.
- jokoon 13y agoI'm still curious about an explanation why do we have both TCP and UDP. For example if you do peer to peer, you need low latency, and UDP is best for that. I think it's because TCP is hardware optimized, but it's designed to transmit a file in a stream, so if a packet is corrupt, it just waits to send that packet. In that fashion, TCP tend to be slower, but on average it's more efficient for single files or webpages. You don't have good granularity with TCP, but if you want to work with UDP, you need to add redundancy and other mechanisms to make sure all is good. ENet is an example of using UDP for gaming, so the goal is to have the lowest latency possible.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 13y agoBittorrent is also peer to peer, and it doesn't need low latency. Really, it's about latency, nothing to do with peer to peer. TCP has head-of-queue blocking, as it guarantees complete and in-order delivery, so when a packet gets lost in transit, it has to wait for a retransmit of the missing packet, whereas UDP delivers packets to the application as they arrive, including duplicates and without any guarantee that a packet arrives at all or which order they arrive (it really is essentially IP with port numbers and an (optional) payload checksum added), but that is fine for telephony, for example, where it usually simply doesn't matter when a few milliseconds of audio are missing, but delay is very annoying, so you don't bother with retransmits, you just drop any duplicates, sort reordered packets into the right order for a few hundred milliseconds of jitter buffer, and if packets don't show up in time or at all, they are simply skipped, possible interpolated where supported by the codec. Also, a major part of TCP is flow control, to make sure you get as much througput as possible, but without overloading the network (which is kinda redundant, as an overloaded network will drop your packets, which means you'd have to do retransmits, which hurts throughput), UDP doesn't have any of that - which makes sense for applications like telephony, as telephony with a given codec needs a certain amount of bandwidth, you can not "slow it down", and additional bandwidth also doesn't make the call go faster. In addition to realtime/low latency applications, UDP makes sense for really small transactions, such as DNS lookups, simply because it doesn't have the TCP connection establishment and teardown overhead, both in terms of latency and in terms of bandwidth use. If your request is smaller than a typical MTU and the repsonse probably is, too, you can be done in one roundtrip, with no need to keep any state at the server, and flow control als ordering and all that probably isn't particularly useful for such uses either. And then, you can use UDP to build your own TCP replacements, of course, but it's probably not a good idea without some deep understanding of network dynamics, modern TCP algorithms are pretty sophisticated. Also, I guess it should be mentioned that there is more than UDP and TCP, such as SCTP and DCCP. The only problem currently is that the (IPv4) internet is full of NAT gateways which make it impossible to use protocols other than UDP and TCP in end-user applications.
- sajal83 13y ago> The improvements of using HTTP pipelining can be quite dramatic over high-latency connections – which is what you have when your iPhone is not on Wi-Fi. In fact, there’s been some research that suggests that there’s no additional performance benefit to using SPDY over HTTP pipelining on mobile networks Excellent summary but i think pipeline has been oversimplified. HTTP pipelining is a FIFO queue. The responses have to be delivered in the same order as the requests. So if the first(or an early) response took longer to generate, all other requests in the pipeline have to wait. Something that SPDY is not susceptible to.
- notfoss 13y agoThere's a minor typo below the HTTPS section. It should be TLS not TSL ;) Edit: By the way, it was a nice article. I especially liked the tcpdump explanation.