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Apple is reportedly launching iOS in the Car with Ferrari, Mercedes, Volvo
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- danial 13y agoThis provides a bit more context on the meeting between Elon Musk and Apple's Adrian Perica a couple of weeks ago.
- loceng 13y agoSeems likely now that Elon gave a no thanks as an answer. I'm glad.
- davtbaum 13y agoI'm honestly surprised it's taken this long for the auto industry to adopt mobile platforms as part of the in-car experience. This is a great move though, hopefully it will force other manufacturers to dump their lacking proprietary platforms in favor of Android/iOS
- shitlord 13y agoI'm hoping that there will be some kind of common standard that car manufacturers can adopt (wrt interacting with mobile devices). That way, users of both platforms can fully enjoy their vehicles.
- yalogin 13y agoLooks like there is going to a divide in the car companies. BMW and some others are adopting Android I believe. Wish it weren't like this but looks inevitable with deeper integration.
- digitalengineer 13y agoWell, there are some BMW iOS apps in the App store now: http://www.bmw.com/com/en/owners/bmw_apps/ http://www.bmw.com/com/en/owners/bmw_apps/
- mpg33 13y agoFord switching from Microsoft Sync to BalckBerry's QNX software.
- kayoone 13y agosince this is still dependent on a ios mobile device (which is good) i hope there will be something similar for android. However i fear car manufacturers will instead use Android to completely replace their own systems which would lock out users of other platforms
- nairteashop 13y agoMore details from the linked FT article (which is behind a paywall): - Official announcement will be made at next week’s Geneva Motor Show - Integration includes Siri, phone calls, maps, music and video.
- cclogg 13y agoMan that mockup image reminded me how much I wish Apple would just go back to using Google Maps...
- kingoflosaltos 13y agoEddy Cue (Apple SVP of Internet Ops) is on the Ferrari board of directors.
- bharatFNS 13y agoIf you still have to use iPhones and iPads with it to work, this all seems pointless. Only hacker anticipation to hack into Ferrari and Merc.
- bananas 13y agoI can't see this as a good idea. The vehicle will have a longer lifespan than iOS support resulting in an obsolete unsupported bit of car.
- nostromo 13y agoFrom the article: > it's still dependent on an iPad or iPhone to work. I think this is a good thing. You can keep your car for 5 or 10 years and update some of its software every 2 years with a new phone. Right now the touchscreen UI of a car is the first thing that looks dated.
- bananas 13y agoAssuming that the platform is supported when the manufacturers have sold it. From experience with owning a few cars that are software driven (Fiat I'm looking at you), the manufacturer will disown electrical problems the moment it is sold. Support past a year or two (the warranty) isn't going to happen. The current touch screen UIs are built as typical embedded systems with long lifecycles. The new ones are consumer devices. The two don't belong in the same space.
- level09 13y agoI think it is a good step forward, while iOS might not be the greatest OS, I think it is pretty good and stable. Having Apple screens/iOS inside the car is definitely better than those existing screens that look really primitive.
- Numberwang 13y agoJust as long as I don't have to get an ITunes account to operate my car, I guess it's OK.
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- kaivi 13y agoDo I have to jailbreak it in order to drive faster than limit? But really, this is great if true, because current car OSes and interfaces are horrible, as they have always been deliberately made so.
- gojomo 13y agoNo, but the geolocation in the phone will be used to send you after-the-fact speeding tickets.
- buro9 13y agoThis is going to influence purchasing decisions in a way that the car companies may not like. I'm in the market for a new car at the end of this year, and have been eyeing a Volvo in the first case, but would consider a Merc if the financing isn't quite there. My experience of living outside of the Apple ecosystem is that Apple stuff is all or nothing. One can't choose to have some Apple gear without fully embracing it. The advertised benefits require one to buy into everything. Things like iPods and Ubuntu aren't seamless, and an iPad when your phone is an Android just means that you buy everything twice, have different versions of things running sometimes with different data profiles. It's a really bad experience. The lesson I've learned is that if one is not willing to fully adopt Apple's world, then one should avoid it altogether. Which means, bluntly... if a Volvo did not offer the same level of interoperability with my Android, the Volvo is no longer on my list of cars to buy. If the smartphone market is currently 50/50 iPhone/Android... then have the car companies just halved their market?
- alaskamiller 13y agoBack then we called this the halo effect. Strategy started with the iPod, that was the trojan horse. Once that's in your life the scope increases.
- phreanix 13y agoHmm. I have a PC, while I've generally used it less since I got an mbp, I still use it and feel no inclination to move completely over to apple products. What I'm excited about having an OS designed for touch and mobile in my car is the potential for apps to change the way I interact with my vehicle. I don't believe you are locked in to one OS or another at all, because apps are being designed for android, iOS, and others. Instagram, Facebook, and a vast majority of the apps I use are available on both platforms. What WILL decide it for me will be the design and hardware involved. For example: I chose to move to apple products because I personally prefer is external design and UX. The touch interface is just more responsive for me, and my preference for that will influence my decisions. I hope automakers like Volvo translates this over properly, and with Apple working with them on it, I feel more confident that they will.
- digitalengineer 13y ago
- jatorre 13y agoPoor Nokia...
- bertil 13y agoIt’s funny because in the mind of Finnish people, Nokia is still a brand of tires.
- zenojevski 13y agoIsn't that _Nokian_?
- bertil 13y agoYup. Well: it was Nokia, a paper pulp mill named after the nearby river/town, that diverged into tires and then electronics (pivoting appears to be a very Finnish practice). When they focused on cellphones, they sold the tire division as ‘Nokian’ (the genitive of Nokia, as in: ‘of Nokia’) but the main valuable brand is now apparently ‘Hakkapeliitta’ for winter tires. The name ‘Nokia’ however remains associated to a company that made tires in the XXth century, like ‘Ma Bell’ might not exist anymore in the US, but still means something.
- phelmig 13y agoFrom a security point of view this could become interesting. Regarding how terrible (IT-)security is in CAN Systems a jailbreaked Radio could lead to major annoyances. Good Talk on this topic: http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/30C3_-_5360_-_en_-_saal_2_-_201312281600_-_script_your_car_-_felix_tmbinc_domke.html http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/30C3_-_5360_-_en_-_...
- hengheng 13y agoI have to disagree with you here, specifically concerning the Script Your Car talk at 30C3. (In which the speaker had lots of experience in embedded linux security and no experience in car electronics, so he decided to hack the linux-driven hands-free set in his Volkswagen car. He was able to send messages via CAN bus that appeared on the info display on the dash board.) First of all, the linux PC was firewalled with a CAN transceiver that dropped any malformed messages to account for bugs in the linux box. Secondly, all other CAN devices on that bus are designed to withstand any erroneous messages. Thirdly, this was just the infotainment bus. There are three separated busses in the car, the first of which has ABS, ESP and the motor controller talking to each other, the second has semi-important things like window lifters and probably AC on it while the third and least important is the infotainment one. The linux box was allowed to be configured so badly precisely because it couldn't harm anybody. I sat next to a Volkswagen engineer in that talk, and he wasn't particularly impressed with what the guy on stage achieved on the car side of things, but rather with how much he was able to learn so quickly, and how easily he opened up that random Nokia box. Keep in mind he owned the box, not the car. Volkswagen tests all of these busses and devices exhaustively. They do have to pass TÜV certification, but more to the point they don't want any expensive bugs to happen. You can be sure that IT security is taken very seriously on that front. (Also consider that once you are inside the car, you by and large own it already, so discussing further CAN bus attacks would be derailing. The attack vector here is through a firewalled device on an unimportant bus.)
- phelmig 13y agoIt depends. If you hack the box, overwrite the CAN-ID (and therefore impersonating other devices in the car) by rewriting the boxes' CAN-Controller-Firmware you can circumvent all ID based security. As long as CAN doesn't implement a private/public key auth it's possible to own the car by owning a box. On the other hand one could try to separate the CAN-Controller from the box (entertainment system in this case) physically and only allow a serial connection to push/pull CAN messages. But from my understanding right now the entertainment system could overwrite the firmware of the CAN -Controller and inject malicious packages. AFAIR the the 30c3 talk pointed that out as well. The different CAN busses are not (always) separated physically.
- _pmf_ 13y ago> Apple launching iOS in-car with Ferrari, Mercedes, Volvo I can with certainty rule out Mercedes, and I highly dispute that any manufacturer will be shortsighted enough to enter any kind of exclusive deal with a technologically isolated company.
- tinco 13y agoThe Volvo that's coming out this year runs Android. I know because I have a friend who drives a prerelease model. So it would seem like weird move from them. Perhaps they're doing market segmentation with it?
- frik 13y agoSome observations from the screenshot: * The screen resolution of iOS Car is 800x480 px - a lower resolution than the iPhone 4 (960x640 px). * The "home" button is part of the touch screen like on Android (tablets).
- crishoj 13y agoWould you expect to see the same resolution on a secondary, externally connected screen? Obviously, this design has to be able to accommodate to a wide range of screen resolutions and formats.
- frik 13y agoFor historical reasons iOS was very inflexible in regards to the screen resolution. To increase the resolution they had to double the resolution (known as retina). So iOS Car will not support all iOS apps. Well you don't want to play e.g. "Flappy Bird" while driving a car anyway ;) As the bottom "info/command bar" is part of the screen, maybe the remaining area that is available for apps has the same ratio as older iPhone devices.
- gonzo 13y ago"Had to"? No. Chose to.
- Zigurd 13y agoThis is an interesting defensive play. Blackberry's QNX and Microsoft's Windows Embedded are the incumbents. Both of these have suffered from neglect and are losing share. Many IVI developers are developing Android-based products. Android provides a great, zero-cost platform with a rich UI and communications stack for interactive embedded systems. Intel has been a GENIVI participant since they were a Meego partner, and there is a GENIVI-compliant Tizen IVI variant. Apple needed to defend the position they have acquired with all those iPod car integrations on the market. They had to move forward or lose those conquests. I keep an iPod touch just because one of my cars has iPod integration.
- jonknee 13y agoI can think of few things more frustrating that Apple Maps and Siri built into my car. I'd prefer one of the lame DVD based nav systems because I can always use Apple Maps on my own if I want to get lost, but the existing systems work without data access (useful for rural situations which is usually when I find myself needing navigation).
- gcv 13y agoThat sound you hear is the collective gasp of iOS developers who just learned they have to support another display resolution (and the second sound is the unsympathetic snort of Android people).
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- melvinmt 13y agoNow the rumored Elon Musk talks with AAPL make more sense.
- joshdance 13y agoNot Tesla?
- beachstartup 13y ago45+ comments, and i don't see the word 'option' mentioned anywhere here. when buying luxury cars, option is the word you need to keep in mind. option, option, option, option. everything is an option, and everything costs money. no way on earth will a european carmaker charge less than $2000 for an apple dashboard. i mean, come on, that kind of money just prints itself! this is not going to be standard, and you will not have your choice of car constrained to the choice of phone you bought. furthermore, with bluetooth and other technologies, compatability isn't going to be an issue. my mercedes has a weird barely-useable german software interface and works just fine with my apple iphone.
- sirkneeland 13y agoI don't know how car manufacturers would agree to this if they didn't strong-arm Apple into promising to support Android as well. Apple has supported non-Apple platforms when market logic compelled them to. If there was no iTunes for Windows, the iPod would not have been nearly as seismic a shift.