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FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]
- zeruch 13y agoI actually think this is great. I've enjoyed using Krita (even though its sometimes a PITA to get setup) and its rapidly surpassing everything GIMP spent a dozen years trying to pull off. Make it crossplatform and you have a BIG win.
- rebootthebox 13y agoKrita's just lacking a OSX build. I've been using the windows build for a while. Krita's focus is on digital painting. I would say Krita is more comparable to Corel's Painter instead of Photoshop.
- Argorak 13y agoAs far as I see, Krita is built using GTK. An OS X built will probably just run using the OS X X11 server.
- dmpk2k 13y agoAlmost nobody will use that.
- rebootthebox 13y agoThe other workaround I can think of is to use Krita in VMPlayer(Fusion?) with Ubuntu. Sounds clunky but I'm doing that with the devel version of MyPaint . Wacom usb pass through on Virtualbox isn't working well.
- adityab 13y agoKrita is actually built on Qt libraries, just like VLC and even some of Photoshop. Which makes it look native on most platforms, and AFAIK won't require X11 on OS X -- because Qt uses Cocoa there.
- Argorak 13y agoSorry for the misinformation then :). Good to know. QT is good.
- GigabyteCoin 13y agoit[']s rapidly surpassing everything GIMP spent a dozen years trying to pull off. Standing on the shoulders of giants certainly makes it easier to see.
- sho_hn 13y agoKrita was started in 1999, only four years after GIMP. For most of their existence, these two programs have been developed in parallel. http://slangkamp.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/10-years-of-krita/ http://slangkamp.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/10-years-of-krita/ http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/kde/krita_10_years.html http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/kde/krita_10_years.h... Part of the reason Krita development has accelerated massively in the last couple of years is that its team decided on a clear mission statement at some point, one very different from GIMP: Krita is a painting app first. The main use cases are painting, illustration and texture-making. That it's also quite useful for cases GIMP traditionally aims at (photo editing, web graphics) are down to toolset overlap between the use cases and a robust, modern tech foundation (colorspace-independent implementation strategies, etc.), but Krita isn't actually trying to compete with GIMP and ventures into territory GIMP doesn't really serve.
- a-nikolaev 13y agoCan you compare Krita and MyPaint[1]? (In terms of features, completeness, UI, etc.) From the video, it seems that Krita is a bit more advanced, with image transformations, texture tiling and probably other features. But both programs are digital painting applications, much more than GIMP, which is a generic graphics editor. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyPaint http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyPaint
- sho_hn 13y agoKrita and MyPaint share a common interest in implementing things like sophisticated brush engines and color mixing models, and MyPaint is strong there and has been an influence on Krita (perhaps also vice-versa, though I don't follow MyPaint as closely). One difference might be that Krita existed as a project to write a raster graphics editor for years before deciding to double-down on painting, and did quite a bit of broad foundational work in that space, like aiming to operate colorspace-independently and implementing various general raster editing tools (e.g. a sophisticated layer and adjustment layer system). Krita retains those traits today, which I feel makes it broader in actual scope than MyPaint, which I think directly started out as a personal project to write a stylus-driven painting app and then grew out from there.
- archagon 13y agoGreat to hear! Krita is one of the few art programs that has real-time tiling, which seems like a great way to work on textures: http://krita.org/item/196-new-wraparound-tool http://krita.org/item/196-new-wraparound-tool
- pekk 13y agoSerious question: how is Krita a "Photoshop killer" and GIMP not one?
- justin66 13y agoNot once in that demo video did I see the usability monster leap out and try to stomp on anyone's balls. So it doesn't really invite comparison with the GIMP.
- pekk 13y agoDo you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? Does Krita's interface closely mimic Photoshop's or what? What is your actual point?
- justin66 13y ago> Do you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? I don't like GIMP specifically because of its user interface.
- asdfs 13y agoCan you go into more detail? I often wonder what issues people have with GIMP's UI.
- knieveltech 13y agoIt's fucking hard to use. What are you fishing for here?
- mintplant 13y agoSpecific criticisms, perhaps? I, for one, prefer GIMP's user interface, and find Photoshop's unintuitive and difficult to use.
- ye 13y agoPhotoshop is not mainly a painting application, though it can be used as one. The strength of Photoshop is in its automation, ability to integrate with all kinds of things, ability to open a hundred different formats by default, plugins, 16-bit-per-channel support, color management, work with huge files, etc etc etc. This looks like a competitor for ArtRage or Corel Paint.
- sho_hn 13y agohttp://krita.org/faq/item/16-krita-features http://krita.org/faq/item/16-krita-features contains some information on the features supported by Krita, including 16 bit per channel colorspaces (including Lab, a much-vaunted Photoshop feature). Krita is also available with support for OpenColorIO, and integration into the asset pipelines found e.g. in VFX studios is part of its mission statement (support for Photoshop's file formats has been steadily increasing along the way). You're entirely correct about Krita's focus on painting (a focus it has greatly benefited from; see also my other comment), but it turns out the kinds of foundations required by a good painting application offer utility in many use cases.
- berkes 13y agoHonestly curious: > The strength of Photoshop is in its automation, ability to integrate with all kinds of things, ability to open a hundred different formats by default, plugins, .... This, as far as I can see, sums up Gimp very well. With its open scripting and plugin system (Python) which not only allows anyone to write simple automation scripts, but allows people like me to find importers, exporters, filetype support, scripts and plugins for free, for about anyhting thinkable. How does Photoshop compare to the Gimp in these areas? I am aware of the differences in usability, obviously. But purely on technical grounds: is the automatability and extensability of the Gimp comparable to that of Photoshop?
- ye 13y agoThe problems with GIMP, the last time I checked, were - no support for 16 bit, problems with color management, slow (photoshop is extremely optimized, and now has GPU support). Plus I hate the default UI - they need to redo it completely.
- wingerlang 13y ago"Krita" means crayon in Swedish.
- alexdowad 13y agoI've tried using Krita before, and it sure didn't seem like a "Photoshop killer" to me.
- trackofalljades 13y agoIt seems to me like someone excitedly posted this without really understanding what Krita actually does, or perhaps the differences between an app like Photoshop, an app like Illustrator, and an app like Corel Paint.
- kendalk 13y agoPhotoshop "killer"? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
- jonah 13y agoDoes it have the "magic" tools like content aware fill, patch tool, and spot healing brush that Photoshop does? These are kinds of things my professional artist and photographer friends appreciate about the app.
- rmc 13y agoGIMP has a content aware fill, Gimp Synthesiser AFAIR
- frik 13y agoWould be great if they port the whole Calligra office suite to Windows: http://calligra-suite.org http://calligra-suite.org
- frik 13y agoJust tried Krita out on Win7 x64 with 16-bit colors. It works fine with default white background. But if I set the background color to 0% opacity (aka transparent) the drawing becomes ultra-slow like 1 pixel per second :/
- erikb 13y agoI don't think something like Photoshop can be killed so easily. If Photoshop is Facebook, then this doesn't look like the successor, but like G+. Might have better features, but doesn't have the community. And PS also has a huge set of commercially created plugins, filters, etc. It's a pity, though. I really wish some FOSS project would make an end to PS!
- llii 13y ago> I really wish some FOSS project would make an end to PS! Then start using them if you aren't already. A community doesn't come out of thin air.
- coldtea 13y agoPhotoshop killer? This is for 1/10 of the COMMON use cases for Photoshop.
- dutchbrit 13y agoDo they or are they planning on supporting OSX?
- wlesieutre 13y agoSounds like it's planned: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=118888&p=298709 http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=118888&p=298709
- henningtegen 13y agoI am the lead developer of a application called Leonardo that we hope will be a future "Photoshop killer" when it comes to digital painting: http://www.getleonardo.com http://www.getleonardo.com The main focus for us is speed and Leonardo is way faster then any other application including Photoshop (and it is still raster based). Leonardo is not finished yet, but it is possible to sign up on out beta list.
- Yrlec 13y agoWhat does "way faster" mean more specifically? E.g. how does it handle a 100mpixel image?
- henningtegen 13y agoIt handles a 100 mega pixel image very well. The trick Leonardo use to be this fast is that your screen only has a fixed amount of pixels and it is enough to update does pixels super fast for the application to feel fast. Then you have a lot more time to update the rest of the pixels. This makes Leonardo kind of "resolution independent" and is always super fast whatever the canvas size and brush diameter. On top of this we also have a streaming mechanism of tiles between RAM and file so that you never run out of memory.
- slashdotaccount 13y agoNo Linux, no sale. Krita's been on Linux since 1998.
- henningtegen 13y agoSorry dude. We are focusing on Windows and Mac. But in the far future we might support Linux too... ;)
- thinkpad20 13y agoMaybe this is a simplistic view, but isn't the development process itself much nicer on Linux, simply because of the ability to program in a Unix environment? I guess you have that with OS X (which I use at work), but even there, is it that much of a leap to make code that works in OS X work in Linux? That aside, it looks like an awesome product, good work so far. I like the focus on super fast and smooth operation; that's why I use Sublime Text :)
- WoodenChair 13y agoIs there anything about this tool that is superior to an inexpensive commercial app like Pixelmator other than being FOSS? I'm interested in comparisons to Pixelmator specifically.
- TillE 13y agoWouldn't be a hugely useful comparison, since Pixelmator is Mac-only, while this is Windows/Linux-only. You might compare it to Paint.NET
- WoodenChair 13y agoUnfortunately, it can't be a "Photoshop killer" if it doesn't run on the Mac since Mac sales are like 1/3 of Photoshop sales I think last time I saw a stat.