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Mac Pro (late 2013) replica inside a real trashcan
- Jormundir 13y agoKind of funny, but what makes the new Mac Pro beautiful is the internal design, and that hackintosh is not beautiful on the inside.
- ladzoppelin 13y agoNobody sees the inside so its kind of like they did it to justify the price. In my opinion the Mac Pro/All Macs would be a lot more interesting if I knew I could install any OS I want on it without a performance loss and it was officially allowed by Apple.
- Bud 13y agoAs far as I know, various Unix versions, as well as Win7, will run just fine. No artificial performance penalties, and Apple is currently doing precisely NOTHING to disallow installation of alternate OSes. This has been the case for years.
- joshuapants 13y agoTry booting a Linux install USB on a Mac sometime
- tekacs 13y agoRunning Linux installed by this method on a (2008) Mac right now. Have done the same on recent (2012, 2013) models, too. Macs have been using EFI boot for a few years, so the problem most have probably faced is trying to boot in BIOS emulation mode (which I've found to be iffy on pretty much every EFI motherboard I've come across). Arch Linux has particularly good support. :P
- btgeekboy 13y agoI did, a few months ago. Booted both Fedora 19 and 20 Beta on a 2012 13" rMBP. Worked decently well, especially with how the version of Gnome included in F20 knows how to properly deal with high DPI displays.
- joshuapants 13y agoHasn't worked for me at all no matter how I create the USB, working with a 2011 MBP. Tried literally every method, and several distros.
- abrowne 13y agoI've had good luck booting Fedora (at least 19 and 20, and I think 18) on Macs. Other distros don't seem to work with Apple's EFI implementation. To boot other distros, I've had good luck with the refind[1] bootloader. Granted, I have only been booting live USBs, not installing on the internal drive. 1: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
- Orva 13y agoExcept getting macbook to boot anything else than OSX or Windows requires bunch of stuff that I can only describe as 'hacks'. At least it was like so couple years ago (http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12037.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12037.html) and I haven't heard that things would be different today.
- IgorPartola 13y agoYou can and you won't and it is. Performance issues are from the fact that other OS's don't support the hardware properly.
- lstamour 13y agoIf/when I get one, I'm going to run it without the shiny exterior as much as possible. That thing is too shiny and I much prefer the aesthetic of PC boards and parts on a Pro machine. (Then again I run my Windows tower with the sides off too, though that's because I was too lazy to hook up the power button and front USB ports.)
- sounds 13y agoIt has a sensor that disallows running it with the case off. Disabling the sensor would void the warranty. Not saying nobody will do it, because I'm quite certain someone will (or already has?). But you'll probably have to actually spring for your _own_ MacPro to mod the sensor.
- weinzierl 13y agoThermal design might rely on a laminar air flow inside the cylinder and taking the case off could result in increased tempatures. Of course we will only know if someone tries it and reports the measured temperatures.
- lstamour 13y agoWell this is quite useful to know. I'm going to hope, then, that I can build or buy a clear plastic version of the casing. :)
- weinzierl 13y agoThermal design might rely on a laminar air flow inside the cylinder and taking the case off could result in increased tempatures. Of course we will only know if someone tries it and reports the measured temperatures.
- avn2109 13y agoThe IT guy in my building claims "MBP's are the best Windows laptops on the market." I'm probably not in a position to say whether or not it's true, but it seems to be at least a defensible position.
- ProAm 13y agoWhich building?
- fastball 13y agoWell, considering the fact that Apple made a program called "Bootcamp" which simplifies the process of installing Windows on your machine, I'd say other OSes are officially allowed by Apple. In fact, I have Win7, OS 10.9, and Arch Linux on this computer (early 2013 MBP Retina)
- CSDude 13y agoYes, because he does not have an assembly factory. He is just a modder. And it is a trashcan. And parts he used are probably not built to be put inside a trashcan. It is cheaper and he has a compact computer. Maybe it is good enough for him, and he can carry it around easily?
- Jormundir 13y agoWhen thinking about the merits of the mod, there aren't any. You can get mini computer cases for cheap, and they would work much, much better than his trashcan. So what we're left with is the "look a trashcan looks like the Mac Pro" joke with a more literal application, which is, as I said, kind of funny. Though who's to say a trash can isn't well designed? Edit Since the link switched to the original forum post with more pictures: I must say the project was quite impressive and the end result is cool, though I still stand by my original point.
- rfnslyr 13y agoI appreciate it because it's a cool mod. Not everything needs to be the most rigidly functional computer of all time.
- Shivetya 13y agoWell I would not doubt clones of the case will appear, many lan boxes are very small and can be made smaller. The trick of the MacPro is the integration of the AMD video which isn't something a modder is going to do.
- girvo 13y agoI disagree. It's not as nice as the real Mac Pro, but what this modder made, even inside, is really impressive and quite cool looking. I'm impressed, anyway.
- MBCook 13y agoI don't know. He did a really good job on the outside. His job replicating the look of the grill on the bottom was a great touch. But inside, it was just a bog-standard Mini-ITX, standard graphics card, etc. Before I clicked on the link I was hoping to see something more unique. Two of the neatest things about the new Mac Pro are it's size and silence. This mod is bigger (not surprising), but why not go further? If the enclosure was bigger you could have simulated the triangle layout of the Mac Pro and put something interesting down the middle. Or you could work to make the machine quieter with some elaborate heat-pipe or water-cooling setup. I have a feeling the small graphics and CPU fans in that metal case make a fair amount of noise. I guess I was expecting something much more exotic, maybe using a small single board computer (Beagle Bone or Raspberry Pi) or something else strange. It looks nice considering the constraints of using normal PC hardware. Apple went back to the drawing board with the Mac Pro, I guess I'm a bit disappointed by this being 'just' a round case.
- kenrikm 13y agoThis one is interesting, I'm on the fence about it though. I have a Hackintosh (i5 3470k,16gb,2X GTX660TI SLI) inside of a G5 case. The interesting thing about the older Mac Pro is they did not really change the design for so many years and you can pickup a empty G5 case for $70-100 on ebay. Only slight modifications are needed to make it work with PC components.
- WaterSponge 13y agoSo modder gets close to fit/finish with his hands and then its not good enough cause the "insides"... which you can't see BTW is the real good stuff is. Design can be just for design sake and not for technical or mechanical superiority. Your thought train is living somewhere between these: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading
- xmonkee 13y agoPlease stop quoting irrelevant fallacies. Jeez.
- velis_vel 13y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
- devcpp 13y agoThe fallacy-pointing was just an explanation of why the poster above may be wrong. But if you look closely, there is a paragraph above the one with the fallacies. And, lo and behold, that paragraph contains arguments which are not of the "argument from fallacy" type. Please review them, prove them wrong, and then we'll speak.
- velis_vel 13y agoWell, 'beautiful' is to a certain extent a subjective quality. 'What makes a Mac Pro beautiful is X' can be interpreted as 'What makes a Mac Pro beautiful to me is X', and that's not really a statement that you can argue against. But even so, the fallacies are either stretched or completely inapplicable. Both the 'no true scotsman' and 'special pleading' fallacies involve constantly shifting goalposts, but we've only ever seen Jormundir say that internal design is part of what makes the new Mac Pro beautiful. Where are the shifting goalposts? Like, I don't think that the fact that it's not beautiful on the inside is relevant to the fact that it's a cool as hell mod; I think it's completely irrelevant. But throwing fallacies at the statement is just weird. I don't get how they apply at all.
- Sanddancer 13y agoTo be quite honest, I think the new mac pro's design is on the ugly side from an internal standpoint. There are existing standards for things like small form factor graphics interface, like MXM, that seem like they would work much better than apple's variant which requires a rather frail looking connector between the graphics cards and the I/O card. Though I imagine one of the problems there is that it would be much harder for Apple to keep people from purchasing a third-party video card two years down the road when the current boards start getting long in the tooth.
- 2muchcoffeeman 13y agoThe interesting thing about the Pro is the heat management & power in such a small form factor. I have yet to see a Pro IRL, but reports indicate that it is very quiet for such a powerful machine. The last tower machine I had years ago was loud and doubled as a room heater in winter. I still see video cards being made that require their own heat sink and fan. Then add all the other standard fans: power supply, CPU (+ heat sink), one or two on the case. You have these huge empty, inefficient boxes. I really hope Apple brings their heat management knowledge to their other lines. Edit: grammar.
- kayoone 13y agoWhy compare a box you had a few years ago to the new Mac Pro? Today you can put amazing performance in mini itx or micro atx cases.[1] Granted Apples custom design still offers some space savings but also zero upgradability. Of course those small standard cases aren't made for xeon CPUs and Dual GPUs, but most people that buy/need powerful workstations do not really care about the size of the thing. [1] https://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-most-powerful-mini-itx-system-july-2013 https://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-most-powerful-mini-itx...
- coldtea 13y ago>Granted Apples custom design still offers some space savings but also zero upgradability. Zero upgradability? The Mac Pro is quite upgradable, with the exception of the GPU. It got a 8/10 from iFixit in this area.
- iterationx 13y agoStrangely managed to omit the word Macintrash. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/Macintrash.html http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/Macintrash.html
- aspensmonster 13y agoL'esprit de l'escalier. Macintrash would have been a perfect name for the build :D
- taway2012 13y agoSort of off-topic question. :) Is it still the case that updates from Apple will randomly break a Hackintosh? It used to be the case a few years ago. Has it gotten easier to update a Hackintosh these days?
- bitwalker 13y agoYou can't use Software Update to install OS updates (you can update everything else through there though). It's fairly easy to install the updates via USB as long as you have your configuration and drivers backed up though.
- free652 13y agoI have updated all of my hakintoshes via software update with no issues. Just keep a recovery USB stick handy if one of the updates goes bad.
- bitwalker 13y agoThat's good to know, might have to give that a shot next time. I've actively avoided doing it that way up until now since it's the standard recommendation not to. I just upgraded mine to 10.9.1 today from 10.8.5, by booting from a Unibeast USB stick - worked flawlessly.
- johnpowell 13y agoMine that I am typing on right now can be updated through the app store. Sound breaks but that is a two minute fix. Z68MA-D2H-B3 2500K OD'ed to 4.5GHZ 650TI Boost 2Gig It is actually easier to install OS X on this then it is Windows. Major updates 10.8 -> 10.9 do require booting from a USB stick made with Unibeast. But 10.9 -> 10.9.1 works just fine.
- e40 13y agoThis. I've been lurking on the hackintosh forums[1] and it really isn't very hard. I'm about to jump into the hack world. The decision process was pretty difficult, but I think I've crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's. I recorded the hardest decisions in my blog[2]. Since I needed RAID 5, it took a while to feel comfortable, but now I do and I'm about to purchase the hardware. [1] http://www.tonymacx86.com/forum.php http://www.tonymacx86.com/forum.php [2] http://envoy510.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/new-mac-pro-or-hackintosh-that-is-the-question/ http://envoy510.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/new-mac-pro-or-hack...
- dopamean 13y agoI always found it a little sad how much Apple has discouraged people from building Hackintoshes particularly when you consider the early days of Apple.
- staticfish 13y agoI don't think that's quite true. There's a lot that's not generally compatible with a lot of ATX boards (special power management stuff, drivers), but in general they haven't done a whole lot to block it off. I think they see it as a hobyist activity that does more to encourage sales than lose them.
- IgorPartola 13y agoWell, the point is you cannot sell these. Sure, if you build one and never tell Apple you put OS X on it they won't come after you but you cannot get support for OS X running on a Hackingtosh. If you do try to sell them, thing a get even worse for you. Not that I see how they could make it work but the current status is definitely not peachy.
- staticfish 13y agoI don't think anyone expects to get support for running a hackintosh, but my point was that apple don't do much to dissuade this behaviour
- IgorPartola 13y agoWell, in the perfect world I would not expect them to solve a driver issue, but something like an issue with say Safari, Finder, iMovie, etc. should not have much to do with the hardware I would think. In reality you cannot get support for anything that is not running on an Apple piece of hardware.
- kayoone 13y agoWhich is legitimate imo. Why should they spend resources to support people not buying their hardware ? They don't make money from OSX like MS does with Windows.
- rangibaby 13y agoLow specs (only i3) but it is funny! Good work :-)
- brudgers 13y agoIf it ran Windows, would it be a recycle bin?
- rfnslyr 13y agoNo because windows is trash.
- userbinator 13y agoI like how it has more I/O options than the real thing. I'd probably not use an Apple logo though... maybe a pear? :)
- dhoss 13y agoI was really hoping for an Oscar the Grouch style trashcan.
- quackerhacker 13y agoSeeing as I was using the exact same boards for my 6 rack cluster...It's a little concerning to see pic 12, in what looks like to be a disassembled PSU on the underside of the board. Other than that...I think this build is actually pretty cool. Speaking from experience, these boards are awesome, and smallest ones I've ever used (other than a mac mini/or rPI)!
- yeukhon 13y agoHe should start selling this case and release the recipe. I am sure plenty of people wouldn't mind to buy the case from him if he makes more. Like raspberry pi cases. Anyway, beautiful idea. But will Apple patent this design?
- lstamour 13y agoFYI: Without additional tweaking, don't expect top-of-the-line Mac performance. Sure, my overclocked 6-core i7 made it over 12,000 when the highest I'd recorded before then was 9,000ish for a Mac mini i7 server, but when I ran the same parts under Windows, I hit a geekbench score of 25,000. Had I a legit Mac for the same price, I'd probably hit 20,000 easily, and in the older, cheaper designs, could have matched 25,000 for about the same price. If only Windows had a decent terminal, I'd be happy. Instead, when the Mac Pro gets DDR4 later this year, I might just switch.
- Kiro 13y agoOT but why doesn't the German forum want any links to them, even going so far as threating with sueing the poster if he doesn't remove the link?
- captainmuon 13y agoEither because he is stupid, or because he got pressure from Apple (or fears to get trouble if the link is circulated outside of Germany). I guess Apple does pressure a lot of website owners behind the scenes... but of course the other option is more likely :-) Seriously, under German law the forum owner has no way to forbid people to link to his site - unless they are insulting him, misattributing content, etc. Here is the original link (now removed): http://hackintosh-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=94933 http://hackintosh-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=9493... Here is the google cache: https://www.google.com/search?q=http://hackintosh-forum.de/index.php%3Fpage%3DThread%26postID%3D94933 https://www.google.com/search?q=http://hackintosh-forum.de/i... Normaly, I wouldn't post that link, but there is (as far as I could see) nothing problematic in that thread, and the content is already posted (with permission of the original author apparently) somewhere else, so the whole thing is incredibly silly.
- ds9 13y agoI wondered this too, until I saw the Apple logo. That would be a trademark violation. Maybe the forum mods wanted to avoid having the forum involved if Apple went after the poster. Without the logo, Apple's complaint would have to be based on imitation of the design - maybe weaker than trademark but I dunno about design rights in EU.
- Roboprog 13y agoThat is a lovely looking case. Regardless of how impractical it might be as an OSX vehicle, it looks good. Good work!
- Kequc 13y agoSo that's what apple stickers are for.
- marincounty 13y agoI didn't like the design of the new Mac Pro initially, but the circular design makes sense in terms of air flow. The only problems I have personally experienced with computer hardware is the failure of video chips. I had a HP laptop that christened my dive into cooling fans, Artic paste, thermal bars, heat transfer, and frustration. I hope we go back to putting our own computers together using only the components we desire; bought from companies we admire--not just because they work the best, but for altruistic reasons (employee treatment, environmental friendliness, etc).
- paines 13y agoHis chipset will melt in 3...2...1... bzzzzzzzz