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FreeBSD 10.0 is here

235 points by sydney6 13y ago

ossdev1 13y ago
So, why should I choose it this time over a Linux distro? Any cool update?
- profquail 13y ago
  What's New in FreeBSD 10: https://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 https://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 Some recent discussions on HN have good comments about why you might give FreeBSD a try: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6966330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6966330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6949095 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6949095
  - profquail 13y ago
    I missed one, and now it's too late to edit my post, so I'm responding to myself... FreeBSD 10's New Technologies: http://www.freebsdnews.net/2013/09/20/freebsd-10s-new-technologies-and-features/ http://www.freebsdnews.net/2013/09/20/freebsd-10s-new-techno... There was an HN discussion of the article as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6417168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6417168
- Touche 13y ago
  ZFS
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  - fiatmoney 13y ago
    http://zfsonlinux.org/ http://zfsonlinux.org/
    - Touche 13y ago
      Sure, but virtually no distros ship this by default or even in their official repos. On FreeBSD it's basically the recommended filesystem.
      - justincormack 13y ago
        They cant ship it for licensing reasons. Which means they cant support it either.
        sydney6 13y ago
        Apart from that, e.g. each time you update your kernel you would have to recompile the modules for that specific kernel. ZFS is also an FS and i wouldn’t want to play jeopardy every time i do an update.
        insaneirish 13y ago
        They absolutely can ship it. They choose not to. There is a big difference. It's what happens when ideology is allowed to trump technology, and it is sad. The fact that various distros ship not-open video card drivers shows that for some things, there's a willingness to compromise. This is far "worse" than shipping an open source module, or open source code that is compiled into a module on install, either of which could be done for ZFS.
        lucian1900 13y ago
        The non-free drivers are allowed to be redistributed by the copyright holders. The reason to not distribute them would be ideological. Linux and ZFS's licenses are incompatible, which would make it illegal to distribute them together. Both ZFS and Linux copyright owners could choose to sue any entity that would distribute Linux with ZFS support.
        insaneirish 13y ago
        You take quite a logical leap from "licenses are incompatible" to "illegal to distribute them together." I'd love to know what led you to that conclusion. As I said to the other poster, you're just spreading FUD.
  - jeffdavis 13y ago
    I thought btrfs was going nowhere for a while because it seemed way behind zfs for a long time. But now it looks like it's catching up, and has some nice userspace tools, and some features that I don't even think zfs has (like the option to do overwrite-in-place, but you give up checksums/compression). The user tools seem worse than zfs, but it does look like btrfs will be a leading filesystem soon.
    - specto 13y ago
      I wouldn't say soon. Btrfs needs much more robust userspace tools. At the moment, the tools tell you nothing, and recovery is basically impossible. I have lost data several times now. While I had backups since I was using btrfs, I didn't expect to lose data the way that I did. The drive filled up with metadata, and since it didn't have anywhere to rebalance the metadata it couldn't move it, and even if I deleted files it wouldn't make a difference. It happened to me on two occasions. The interesting thing is that btrfs filesystem df showed I only had 80gb total, with a 120gb drive. Decided to go back to xfs for that drive, and I use zfs for my raidz2 array.
- penland 13y ago
  It's worth trying to grind through a few months of Free-BSD after using Linux to get a feel for it. One of my favorite quotes on the differences is, "FreeBSD is what you get when a bunch of old school Unix beard brigade hackers sit down to write a port to the PC. Linux is what you get when you take a bunch of hackers raised on Windows and PCs that try to port Unix to the PC". In a lot of ways that is two sides of the same coin, but really digging in to the BSD way of things opens up a new view point on Operating Systems . . . FreeBSD old school Unix assembly versus NASM, the Kqueue vs ePoll system implementations, FreeBSD's near instantaneous embrace for ZFS while the Linux community held back for "OS theological" concerns over the FileSystem implementation. I've jumped between Debian and FreeBSD for my development boxes for a few years now. To butcher Dijkstra, "Operating Systems shape developers as much as violins shape violinists". When I find myself on FreeBSD I make great use of D-Trace - running vagrant FreeBSD boxes, the pulling the trace output into Instruments to analyze. With the release of Trim for ZFS, ZFS pooling for logging should be obscenely fast and offer some serious performance increases for things like proper Hadoop workloads. When I find myself on Debian I'm enthralled by the ease of use around layouts and the API ( kqueue / epoll excluded ). The package management system is far superior to portsnap, though neither system really does modern package management really well imo. Personally, I think it's worth trying to run BSD and all it's tools just to understand the system better, and to see how it influences you as a developer. The active utilization of D-Trace changed me as an engineer just as much when I first started using functional programming concepts in my regular code
  - vixen99 13y ago
    'its tools'.
- nomurrcy 13y ago
  I switched a personal server over to freebsd (8 or so at the time) a while ago after battling with zfs on linux. (I was hitting some strange issues at the time which I can't really even remember at present) After getting over the initial learning curve (files being in different places than I expect / named different things etc) I have really come to like freebsd. You get the sense that everything has been designed to fit together a bit more than the linux distros. I had been using ubutnu before and I got really tired of how much constantly changed between releases. With bsd I'm able to get very up to date software via the ports tree, but the overall 'system' design doesn't seem to change as much between releases as it did in linux land. The freebsd handbook is great and makes it super easy to get up and running. I certainly don't think the differences for everyday use between freebsd / debian for example are enormous, but I plan on using freebsd for most of my boxes from now on, its just been really painless to work with.
- lmm 13y ago
  If you want cool updates stick with linux. If you want a solid system that you can update feeling confident you're not going to break anything, on the other hand...
- tachion 13y ago
  Dont get me wrong, but <joke>why should anyone choose Linux over a FreeBSD?</joke> ;)
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profquail 13y ago
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tachion 13y ago
The iso's are there, but there was no official release announcement yet, and because of that I would hold your horses for now - until the announcement has been sent out, those can be replaced in case of any issues.
- deleted 13y ago
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- cperciva 13y ago
  ... in fact, that already happened once, a few days ago.
  - sydney6 13y ago
    Wasn't r260665 already an 10.0 RELEASE build?
    - evilgjb 13y ago
      See r260788 and r260789.
      - sydney6 13y ago
        Oh, thanks.. didn’t knew that. Anyhow, as you may have noticed, i am very excited..
revnja 13y ago
This release has official Raspberry Pi support! Definitely trying this out.
- pwenzel 13y ago
  Is it possible to boot FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img directly on a Raspberry Pi? Or do I have to compile my own image for the Pi?
  - revnja 13y ago
    I'm going to guess not as it is marked as being compatible with amd64, you will need an ARM build (arm 6, I believe) for the Raspberry Pi. I'm sure a third party will eventually post a pre-compiled version somewhere fairly soon.
  - octo_t 13y ago
    raspberry pi's are ARM and amd64 is amd64 (for intel/amd processors)
  - jsmith0295 13y ago
    You can't use the amd64 build as the raspberry pi is ARM based. There is likely a raspberry pi build available somewhere though.
  - takeda 13y ago
    As other told you this version is intended to be used on amd64 CPUs, which means the most popular 64 bit CPUs (both Intel and AMD). The reason they don't provide ARM version of FreeBSD is because embedded systems are not the same and have different setup. Since Raspberry Pi is quite popular I can imagine that someone might build available to other for download but I wouldn't expect FreeBSD project do it (it probably would be someone else - I see link to images here https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Raspberry%20Pi https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Raspberry%20Pi). If you have FreeBSD machine you can compile it yourself.
    - pwenzel 13y ago
_wmd 13y ago
For the love of goodness, please link to the release notes! Cannot fathom why people do this (and its not just OP - it happens all the time). http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/10-STABLE/relnotes/article.html http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/10-STABLE/relnotes/article.h... Most interesting to me, this is the first stable release supporting netmap(4).. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=netmap&sektion=4 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=netmap&sektion=4
- justin66 13y ago
  The two common reasons are that they're resubmitting something that's already been submitted the reasonable way or they're letting everyone know before the official release notes have been published. That second one is a little risky sometimes, since it's not uncommon for the linked release directory to be filled with something that turns out not to be correct.
- tachion 13y ago
  You are linking to 10-STABLE release notes, and 10.0-RELEASE is something else, than STABLE branch. STABLE's are a bit ahead of RELEASE's and are considered to be less stable than RELEASE's - the wording is a bit misleading.
  - pyvpx 13y ago
    less stable than release? that's news to me. have any official wording to back that up? I'm intensely curious
    - evilgjb 13y ago
      '-STABLE' refers to ABI/KBI stability.
    - Freaky 13y ago
      http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html > FreeBSD-STABLE is the development branch from which major releases are made. Changes go into this branch at a different pace, and with the general assumption that they have first gone into FreeBSD-CURRENT for testing. This is still a development branch, however, and this means that at any given time, the sources for FreeBSD-STABLE may or may not be suitable for any particular purpose. It is simply another engineering development track, not a resource for end-users.
snoopybbt 13y ago
Nothing's on their website yet... I guess HN is pretty fast...
- stock_toaster 13y ago
  They (FreeBSD) typically do builds a few days before announcing the release. See: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/schedule.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/schedule.html
rtpg 13y ago
FreeBSD can now address 4 TB of memory, can't wait for us to hit that limit on personal machines
- deleted 13y ago
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- infofarmer 13y ago
  JVM support does not seem to be a primary focus of the FreeBSD project at the moment.
  - crest 13y ago
    Did you read the last batch of erratas?
    - takeda 13y ago
      I took it as a jab on how memory hungry Java applications usually are.
      - Demiurge 13y ago
        Perhaps you should rewrite your post in Go.
random_user_kun 13y ago
Does it come with a GUI or not?
- tachion 13y ago
  It depends what do you mean by GUI: if you're asking if it is a desktop ready release, then no, it doesnt come with GUI, but at any point you can install XFCE/Gnome/KDE on it and turn it into a desktop system. However, you might want to look at PC-BSD which is a FreeBSD based desktop oriented release. If you're asking if it does have graphical installator then yes, it does have ncurses based installator.
- takeda 13y ago
  FreeBSD targets servers, so after installation you will simply get a text console. You can install X11 though which by itself is a good experience because it makes you understand how given components interact with each other. They also have great handbook which explains standard administration. Here is section that tells you how to configure X11: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x1...
- xenophonf 13y ago
  Yes, but you'll need to use the PC-BSD distribution instead of the (much smaller/barebones) base FreeBSD distro.
evilgjb 13y ago
The release is never officially "here" until the PGP-signed email is sent to the freebsd-announce@ mailing list.
- cperciva 13y ago
  In case anyone doesn't recognize the name, this guy here is the FreeBSD 10.0 release engineer.
  - sydney6 13y ago
    Yes, of course. It is Mr. Barber, Mr. Percival. I really didn’t want to annoy you guys and i would like to excuse myself if i did, but to me, obviously no one declares a release “production ready” to one’s own environment the day the ISO’s are availiable or the announcement is made. I'm just a FreeBSD User who felt the urge to share his enthusiasm about this with like-minded persons. So, no offence, Ladys and Gentlemen.
    - cperciva 13y ago
      No offence taken, I just know that gjb is new here and outside of the FreeBSD community most people don't know who he is. ;-)
      - sydney6 13y ago
        Cool, i hope we will hear from him more often and again, congratulations to you guys for another great release (when it will be released:) in the past twenty years.
        evilgjb 13y ago
        Thanks, and I hope you enjoy the latest release.
hernan604 13y ago
Could someone please explain something here, If playstation 3 and 4 are a modified FreeBSD, and on the 4th version console the graphics are AMD that means they (sony and amd) have some sort of driver for this platform. And its not a bad one, because they chose AMD for play4. Why that has not been release to the FreeBSD audience ? When is this expected to happen ?
- wmf 13y ago
  Sony doesn't release anything. Because they don't want to. Also, I would hope that Mesa drivers work on FreeBSD.
  - profquail 13y ago
    Sony contributes back to FreeBSD. You can find at least a few examples using GitHub search: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/search?q=%22sony+computer%22&type=Code https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/search?q=%22sony+computer... Note: these aren't the only examples of Sony contributing back to FreeBSD, they were just the easiest to find. IMO, AMD would really need to be the one to contribute drivers back to FreeBSD.
- toyg 13y ago
  Why should Sony (or AMD) care about FreeBSD? Chances are they picked it because it was the less licence-encumbered freenix they could find.
- cperciva 13y ago
  The PS4 runs FreeBSD on AMD hardware, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily the same AMD hardware as you or I have access to. If you're buying 50,000,000 units, AMD will design a chip for you.
  - lucian1900 13y ago
    Not only that, but they allow quite low level access to the hardware. One would have to build, say, libGL on top of whatever drivers Sony might have built.
rubyfan 13y ago
Should have called it FreeBSD X
- mxey 13y ago
  A friend of mine made this: http://mxey.net/content/images/2013/Dec/Screen_20Shot_202013_11_25_20at_2014_13_27-2.png http://mxey.net/content/images/2013/Dec/Screen_20Shot_202013...
caycep 13y ago
I might play around with this actually, but I think the biggest drawback when I last tried it was I became too impatient to wait for ports to compile the packages. Does it provide some way of doing pre-compiled binaries i.e. like apt?
- profquail 13y ago
  Yes -- FreeBSD 10 has a new package manager which you can use to install pre-compiled binaries (a la `apt`). If you want to read more about it: https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgPrimer https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgPrimer http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html https://github.com/freebsd/pkg https://github.com/freebsd/pkg
  - cperciva 13y ago
    To elaborate a bit -- FreeBSD has had packages for a long time, but this new packaging system is more, err, "functional".
grigio 13y ago
Now that Freebsd 10 is release can we haz a Freebsd-ZFS/OpenGL vs Linux-ZFS/OpenGL benchmark?
niels_olson 13y ago
Should I use FreeBSD? This may seem dumb, but, my RAID 1 NAS, powered by various versions of SuSE for 10 years, recently died (autopsy & self-reflection indicate gross user error). So I'm coincidentally shopping around for a new set-up. I need NFS, transmission-daemon, and mdadm. I've used FreeBSD in a vm and on an old laptop, so I'm slightly familiar, but not like Linux (and I love being able to access SuSE's YAST over SSH) Why would you pick FreeBSD over SuSE for a home NAS?
- josh64 13y ago
  FreeBSD has pretty decent ZFS support. That would be a good reason for a home NAS.
- hhw 13y ago
  First and foremost reason, ZFS. But if you're looking for something easy to manage, FreeNAS (based on FreeBSD + ZFS) may be a better option.
  - niels_olson 13y ago
    If I already have the raid 1 under mdadm, what's the path to mirrored Vdevs under zfs? I need more drives?
    - hhw 13y ago
      Remove one of the disks from the mdadm RAID1, setup a zpool on that disk, setup the OS, copy the relevant data over, and then simply attach the 2nd drive to the zpool and zfs will automatically create a mirrored vdev for you. If the existing filesystem can be read by FreeBSD (like ext), you can just copy the data over in a single system but in the worst case, you could just copy the data over from a 2nd system over the network. You'll probably want to do that using tar with archive options, so the only difference between doing it locally vs over the network is whether you pipe the tar create directly back to tar extract, or to a tcp utility like tcputils or netcat in between.
    - lmm 13y ago
random_user_kun 13y ago
Guys, I was unable to install it with X and GNOME on virtualbox. Can someone share the working virtualbox snapshot of FreeBSD 10 along with X and GNOME on it so that noob linux users like me can try.
- tachion 13y ago
  Try PC-BSD, it is FreeBSD based desktop oriented release that will welcome you with GUI installer and will install you the entire windowed ecosystem.
- D9u 13y ago
  I found this, which worked for me: https://forums.freebsd.org/viewtopic.php?&t=28804 https://forums.freebsd.org/viewtopic.php?&t=28804 In Vbox: Right click on the VM to edit... Settings > System > Extended Features: Enable IO APIC
3rl 13y ago
I'm so happy with this release, thank you FreeBSD team!
ksec 13y ago
Is there a CoreOS and Docker equivalent on FreeBSD?
- dschiptsov 13y ago
  Docker is just leverage of FreeBSD jails which, in turn, were modeled after IBM mainframes.)
- lifeisstillgood 13y ago
  not sure what coreos is but iirr docker is a manager for LXC - and FreeBSD has had good Jail support for eons. There are two approaches for jails (the LXC equivalent for BSD) - ezjail which I heartily recommend and warden from PCbsd which is more GUI orientated. I have happily runs dozens of "virtual" instances on one machine and people regularly do hundreds. it's robust secure and low cost in resources.
- insaneirish 13y ago
  The only reason CoreOS is interesting is because most Linux distributions are bloated beyond belief. FreeBSD is not bloated, and as such doesn't need something link CoreOS. And the things that etcd does can be accomplished in numerous other ways.
cm3 13y ago
I hope they add exploit mitigation techniques like ASLR (already being worked on for 11) and close the gap to OpenBSD and Windows. Even DragonflyBSD has some level of ASLR. As Theo said adding is one thing but actually enabling it in the default configuration is what counts. ASLR is just one piece of the puzzle and for 11 they should seriously consider implementing enough to match OpenBSD.
garrettdreyfus 13y ago
Just installed 9 on a ThinkPad T400 and it is blazing fast with awesome wm.
hernan604 13y ago
Good, now ATI can release their driver for the FreeBSD 10.0 !

235 points by sydney6 13y ago

ossdev1 13y ago

So, why should I choose it this time over a Linux distro? Any cool update?

profquail 13y ago
What's New in FreeBSD 10: https://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 https://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 Some recent discussions on HN have good comments about why you might give FreeBSD a try: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6966330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6966330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6949095 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6949095
- profquail 13y ago
  I missed one, and now it's too late to edit my post, so I'm responding to myself... FreeBSD 10's New Technologies: http://www.freebsdnews.net/2013/09/20/freebsd-10s-new-technologies-and-features/ http://www.freebsdnews.net/2013/09/20/freebsd-10s-new-techno... There was an HN discussion of the article as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6417168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6417168
Touche 13y ago
ZFS
- deleted 13y ago
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- fiatmoney 13y ago
  http://zfsonlinux.org/ http://zfsonlinux.org/
  - Touche 13y ago
    Sure, but virtually no distros ship this by default or even in their official repos. On FreeBSD it's basically the recommended filesystem.
    - justincormack 13y ago
      They cant ship it for licensing reasons. Which means they cant support it either.
      - sydney6 13y ago
        Apart from that, e.g. each time you update your kernel you would have to recompile the modules for that specific kernel. ZFS is also an FS and i wouldn’t want to play jeopardy every time i do an update.
      - insaneirish 13y ago
        They absolutely can ship it. They choose not to. There is a big difference. It's what happens when ideology is allowed to trump technology, and it is sad. The fact that various distros ship not-open video card drivers shows that for some things, there's a willingness to compromise. This is far "worse" than shipping an open source module, or open source code that is compiled into a module on install, either of which could be done for ZFS.
        lucian1900 13y ago
        The non-free drivers are allowed to be redistributed by the copyright holders. The reason to not distribute them would be ideological. Linux and ZFS's licenses are incompatible, which would make it illegal to distribute them together. Both ZFS and Linux copyright owners could choose to sue any entity that would distribute Linux with ZFS support.
        insaneirish 13y ago
        You take quite a logical leap from "licenses are incompatible" to "illegal to distribute them together." I'd love to know what led you to that conclusion. As I said to the other poster, you're just spreading FUD.
- jeffdavis 13y ago
  I thought btrfs was going nowhere for a while because it seemed way behind zfs for a long time. But now it looks like it's catching up, and has some nice userspace tools, and some features that I don't even think zfs has (like the option to do overwrite-in-place, but you give up checksums/compression). The user tools seem worse than zfs, but it does look like btrfs will be a leading filesystem soon.
  - specto 13y ago
    I wouldn't say soon. Btrfs needs much more robust userspace tools. At the moment, the tools tell you nothing, and recovery is basically impossible. I have lost data several times now. While I had backups since I was using btrfs, I didn't expect to lose data the way that I did. The drive filled up with metadata, and since it didn't have anywhere to rebalance the metadata it couldn't move it, and even if I deleted files it wouldn't make a difference. It happened to me on two occasions. The interesting thing is that btrfs filesystem df showed I only had 80gb total, with a 120gb drive. Decided to go back to xfs for that drive, and I use zfs for my raidz2 array.
penland 13y ago
It's worth trying to grind through a few months of Free-BSD after using Linux to get a feel for it. One of my favorite quotes on the differences is, "FreeBSD is what you get when a bunch of old school Unix beard brigade hackers sit down to write a port to the PC. Linux is what you get when you take a bunch of hackers raised on Windows and PCs that try to port Unix to the PC". In a lot of ways that is two sides of the same coin, but really digging in to the BSD way of things opens up a new view point on Operating Systems . . . FreeBSD old school Unix assembly versus NASM, the Kqueue vs ePoll system implementations, FreeBSD's near instantaneous embrace for ZFS while the Linux community held back for "OS theological" concerns over the FileSystem implementation. I've jumped between Debian and FreeBSD for my development boxes for a few years now. To butcher Dijkstra, "Operating Systems shape developers as much as violins shape violinists". When I find myself on FreeBSD I make great use of D-Trace - running vagrant FreeBSD boxes, the pulling the trace output into Instruments to analyze. With the release of Trim for ZFS, ZFS pooling for logging should be obscenely fast and offer some serious performance increases for things like proper Hadoop workloads. When I find myself on Debian I'm enthralled by the ease of use around layouts and the API ( kqueue / epoll excluded ). The package management system is far superior to portsnap, though neither system really does modern package management really well imo. Personally, I think it's worth trying to run BSD and all it's tools just to understand the system better, and to see how it influences you as a developer. The active utilization of D-Trace changed me as an engineer just as much when I first started using functional programming concepts in my regular code
- vixen99 13y ago
  'its tools'.
nomurrcy 13y ago
I switched a personal server over to freebsd (8 or so at the time) a while ago after battling with zfs on linux. (I was hitting some strange issues at the time which I can't really even remember at present) After getting over the initial learning curve (files being in different places than I expect / named different things etc) I have really come to like freebsd. You get the sense that everything has been designed to fit together a bit more than the linux distros. I had been using ubutnu before and I got really tired of how much constantly changed between releases. With bsd I'm able to get very up to date software via the ports tree, but the overall 'system' design doesn't seem to change as much between releases as it did in linux land. The freebsd handbook is great and makes it super easy to get up and running. I certainly don't think the differences for everyday use between freebsd / debian for example are enormous, but I plan on using freebsd for most of my boxes from now on, its just been really painless to work with.
lmm 13y ago
If you want cool updates stick with linux. If you want a solid system that you can update feeling confident you're not going to break anything, on the other hand...
tachion 13y ago
Dont get me wrong, but <joke>why should anyone choose Linux over a FreeBSD?</joke> ;)

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profquail 13y ago

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tachion 13y ago

The iso's are there, but there was no official release announcement yet, and because of that I would hold your horses for now - until the announcement has been sent out, those can be replaced in case of any issues.

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cperciva 13y ago
... in fact, that already happened once, a few days ago.
- sydney6 13y ago
  Wasn't r260665 already an 10.0 RELEASE build?
  - evilgjb 13y ago
    See r260788 and r260789.
    - sydney6 13y ago
      Oh, thanks.. didn’t knew that. Anyhow, as you may have noticed, i am very excited..

revnja 13y ago

This release has official Raspberry Pi support! Definitely trying this out.

pwenzel 13y ago
Is it possible to boot FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img directly on a Raspberry Pi? Or do I have to compile my own image for the Pi?
- revnja 13y ago
  I'm going to guess not as it is marked as being compatible with amd64, you will need an ARM build (arm 6, I believe) for the Raspberry Pi. I'm sure a third party will eventually post a pre-compiled version somewhere fairly soon.
- octo_t 13y ago
  raspberry pi's are ARM and amd64 is amd64 (for intel/amd processors)
- jsmith0295 13y ago
  You can't use the amd64 build as the raspberry pi is ARM based. There is likely a raspberry pi build available somewhere though.
- takeda 13y ago
  As other told you this version is intended to be used on amd64 CPUs, which means the most popular 64 bit CPUs (both Intel and AMD). The reason they don't provide ARM version of FreeBSD is because embedded systems are not the same and have different setup. Since Raspberry Pi is quite popular I can imagine that someone might build available to other for download but I wouldn't expect FreeBSD project do it (it probably would be someone else - I see link to images here https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Raspberry%20Pi https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Raspberry%20Pi). If you have FreeBSD machine you can compile it yourself.
  - pwenzel 13y ago

_wmd 13y ago

For the love of goodness, please link to the release notes! Cannot fathom why people do this (and its not just OP - it happens all the time). http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/10-STABLE/relnotes/article.html http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/10-STABLE/relnotes/article.h... Most interesting to me, this is the first stable release supporting netmap(4).. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=netmap&sektion=4 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=netmap&sektion=4

justin66 13y ago
The two common reasons are that they're resubmitting something that's already been submitted the reasonable way or they're letting everyone know before the official release notes have been published. That second one is a little risky sometimes, since it's not uncommon for the linked release directory to be filled with something that turns out not to be correct.
tachion 13y ago
You are linking to 10-STABLE release notes, and 10.0-RELEASE is something else, than STABLE branch. STABLE's are a bit ahead of RELEASE's and are considered to be less stable than RELEASE's - the wording is a bit misleading.
- pyvpx 13y ago
  less stable than release? that's news to me. have any official wording to back that up? I'm intensely curious
  - evilgjb 13y ago
    '-STABLE' refers to ABI/KBI stability.
  - Freaky 13y ago
    http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html > FreeBSD-STABLE is the development branch from which major releases are made. Changes go into this branch at a different pace, and with the general assumption that they have first gone into FreeBSD-CURRENT for testing. This is still a development branch, however, and this means that at any given time, the sources for FreeBSD-STABLE may or may not be suitable for any particular purpose. It is simply another engineering development track, not a resource for end-users.

snoopybbt 13y ago

Nothing's on their website yet... I guess HN is pretty fast...

stock_toaster 13y ago
They (FreeBSD) typically do builds a few days before announcing the release. See: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/schedule.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/schedule.html

rtpg 13y ago

FreeBSD can now address 4 TB of memory, can't wait for us to hit that limit on personal machines

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infofarmer 13y ago
JVM support does not seem to be a primary focus of the FreeBSD project at the moment.
- crest 13y ago
  Did you read the last batch of erratas?
  - takeda 13y ago
    I took it as a jab on how memory hungry Java applications usually are.
    - Demiurge 13y ago
      Perhaps you should rewrite your post in Go.

random_user_kun 13y ago

Does it come with a GUI or not?

tachion 13y ago
It depends what do you mean by GUI: if you're asking if it is a desktop ready release, then no, it doesnt come with GUI, but at any point you can install XFCE/Gnome/KDE on it and turn it into a desktop system. However, you might want to look at PC-BSD which is a FreeBSD based desktop oriented release. If you're asking if it does have graphical installator then yes, it does have ncurses based installator.
takeda 13y ago
FreeBSD targets servers, so after installation you will simply get a text console. You can install X11 though which by itself is a good experience because it makes you understand how given components interact with each other. They also have great handbook which explains standard administration. Here is section that tells you how to configure X11: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x1...
xenophonf 13y ago
Yes, but you'll need to use the PC-BSD distribution instead of the (much smaller/barebones) base FreeBSD distro.

evilgjb 13y ago

The release is never officially "here" until the PGP-signed email is sent to the freebsd-announce@ mailing list.

cperciva 13y ago
In case anyone doesn't recognize the name, this guy here is the FreeBSD 10.0 release engineer.
- sydney6 13y ago
  Yes, of course. It is Mr. Barber, Mr. Percival. I really didn’t want to annoy you guys and i would like to excuse myself if i did, but to me, obviously no one declares a release “production ready” to one’s own environment the day the ISO’s are availiable or the announcement is made. I'm just a FreeBSD User who felt the urge to share his enthusiasm about this with like-minded persons. So, no offence, Ladys and Gentlemen.
  - cperciva 13y ago
    No offence taken, I just know that gjb is new here and outside of the FreeBSD community most people don't know who he is. ;-)
    - sydney6 13y ago
      Cool, i hope we will hear from him more often and again, congratulations to you guys for another great release (when it will be released:) in the past twenty years.
      - evilgjb 13y ago
        Thanks, and I hope you enjoy the latest release.

hernan604 13y ago

Could someone please explain something here, If playstation 3 and 4 are a modified FreeBSD, and on the 4th version console the graphics are AMD that means they (sony and amd) have some sort of driver for this platform. And its not a bad one, because they chose AMD for play4. Why that has not been release to the FreeBSD audience ? When is this expected to happen ?

wmf 13y ago
Sony doesn't release anything. Because they don't want to. Also, I would hope that Mesa drivers work on FreeBSD.
- profquail 13y ago
  Sony contributes back to FreeBSD. You can find at least a few examples using GitHub search: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/search?q=%22sony+computer%22&type=Code https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/search?q=%22sony+computer... Note: these aren't the only examples of Sony contributing back to FreeBSD, they were just the easiest to find. IMO, AMD would really need to be the one to contribute drivers back to FreeBSD.
toyg 13y ago
Why should Sony (or AMD) care about FreeBSD? Chances are they picked it because it was the less licence-encumbered freenix they could find.
cperciva 13y ago
The PS4 runs FreeBSD on AMD hardware, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily the same AMD hardware as you or I have access to. If you're buying 50,000,000 units, AMD will design a chip for you.
- lucian1900 13y ago
  Not only that, but they allow quite low level access to the hardware. One would have to build, say, libGL on top of whatever drivers Sony might have built.

rubyfan 13y ago

Should have called it FreeBSD X

mxey 13y ago
A friend of mine made this: http://mxey.net/content/images/2013/Dec/Screen_20Shot_202013_11_25_20at_2014_13_27-2.png http://mxey.net/content/images/2013/Dec/Screen_20Shot_202013...

caycep 13y ago

I might play around with this actually, but I think the biggest drawback when I last tried it was I became too impatient to wait for ports to compile the packages. Does it provide some way of doing pre-compiled binaries i.e. like apt?

profquail 13y ago
Yes -- FreeBSD 10 has a new package manager which you can use to install pre-compiled binaries (a la `apt`). If you want to read more about it: https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgPrimer https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgPrimer http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html https://github.com/freebsd/pkg https://github.com/freebsd/pkg
- cperciva 13y ago
  To elaborate a bit -- FreeBSD has had packages for a long time, but this new packaging system is more, err, "functional".

grigio 13y ago

Now that Freebsd 10 is release can we haz a Freebsd-ZFS/OpenGL vs Linux-ZFS/OpenGL benchmark?

niels_olson 13y ago

Should I use FreeBSD? This may seem dumb, but, my RAID 1 NAS, powered by various versions of SuSE for 10 years, recently died (autopsy & self-reflection indicate gross user error). So I'm coincidentally shopping around for a new set-up. I need NFS, transmission-daemon, and mdadm. I've used FreeBSD in a vm and on an old laptop, so I'm slightly familiar, but not like Linux (and I love being able to access SuSE's YAST over SSH) Why would you pick FreeBSD over SuSE for a home NAS?

josh64 13y ago
FreeBSD has pretty decent ZFS support. That would be a good reason for a home NAS.
hhw 13y ago
First and foremost reason, ZFS. But if you're looking for something easy to manage, FreeNAS (based on FreeBSD + ZFS) may be a better option.
- niels_olson 13y ago
  If I already have the raid 1 under mdadm, what's the path to mirrored Vdevs under zfs? I need more drives?
  - hhw 13y ago
    Remove one of the disks from the mdadm RAID1, setup a zpool on that disk, setup the OS, copy the relevant data over, and then simply attach the 2nd drive to the zpool and zfs will automatically create a mirrored vdev for you. If the existing filesystem can be read by FreeBSD (like ext), you can just copy the data over in a single system but in the worst case, you could just copy the data over from a 2nd system over the network. You'll probably want to do that using tar with archive options, so the only difference between doing it locally vs over the network is whether you pipe the tar create directly back to tar extract, or to a tcp utility like tcputils or netcat in between.
  - lmm 13y ago

random_user_kun 13y ago

Guys, I was unable to install it with X and GNOME on virtualbox. Can someone share the working virtualbox snapshot of FreeBSD 10 along with X and GNOME on it so that noob linux users like me can try.

tachion 13y ago
Try PC-BSD, it is FreeBSD based desktop oriented release that will welcome you with GUI installer and will install you the entire windowed ecosystem.
D9u 13y ago
I found this, which worked for me: https://forums.freebsd.org/viewtopic.php?&t=28804 https://forums.freebsd.org/viewtopic.php?&t=28804 In Vbox: Right click on the VM to edit... Settings > System > Extended Features: Enable IO APIC

3rl 13y ago

I'm so happy with this release, thank you FreeBSD team!

ksec 13y ago

Is there a CoreOS and Docker equivalent on FreeBSD?

dschiptsov 13y ago
Docker is just leverage of FreeBSD jails which, in turn, were modeled after IBM mainframes.)
lifeisstillgood 13y ago
not sure what coreos is but iirr docker is a manager for LXC - and FreeBSD has had good Jail support for eons. There are two approaches for jails (the LXC equivalent for BSD) - ezjail which I heartily recommend and warden from PCbsd which is more GUI orientated. I have happily runs dozens of "virtual" instances on one machine and people regularly do hundreds. it's robust secure and low cost in resources.
insaneirish 13y ago
The only reason CoreOS is interesting is because most Linux distributions are bloated beyond belief. FreeBSD is not bloated, and as such doesn't need something link CoreOS. And the things that etcd does can be accomplished in numerous other ways.

cm3 13y ago

I hope they add exploit mitigation techniques like ASLR (already being worked on for 11) and close the gap to OpenBSD and Windows. Even DragonflyBSD has some level of ASLR. As Theo said adding is one thing but actually enabling it in the default configuration is what counts. ASLR is just one piece of the puzzle and for 11 they should seriously consider implementing enough to match OpenBSD.

garrettdreyfus 13y ago

Just installed 9 on a ThinkPad T400 and it is blazing fast with awesome wm.

hernan604 13y ago

Good, now ATI can release their driver for the FreeBSD 10.0 !