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I like Anandtech but they have come into criticism recently, from some of their long-time readers, for fawning over Apple products.

by yapcguy 13y ago

gareim 13y ago
Well that's silly. "Anandtech does great reviews unless it's favorable to something I'm not, so then those reviews must be biased". Either you trust Anandtech or you don't. And if you do, then you shouldn't call the reviews that go against your views as biased. By "you", I don't mean you, yapcguy. Just in general towards those that are criticizing Anandtech.
Watabou 13y ago
It looks like your dislike of Apple somehow means that Anandtech is the one who is biased? Really? Come on now.
- Cookingboy 13y ago
  He wasn't speaking for himself, he was talking about some of their readers.
  - sbuk 13y ago
    Reading his other comment, he's talking for himself.
  - revscat 13y ago
    Readers who are complained about far more often than they are actually seen.
  - freshyill 13y ago
    "Some say…" is the Fox News way of saying "we just made this up on the show that preceded this one". Unless someone can actually call their conclusions and numbers into question using actual facts, then it's just anti-Apple whining, whether it's him or "some readers".
- yapcguy 13y ago
  Look, it's not just me sitting here complaining. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2270612 http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2270612 Pretty much every review of Apple gear has people moaning about bias in the comments. I'm not saying there is any favoritism, but certainly the perception amongst Anandtech readers is that there might be. At the end of the day, there's no reason why the writers at Anandtech would be any more immune to access journalism than other folk who have tried and failed.
  - gress 13y ago
    Those kinds of complaints can be seen anywhere there is a positive review of Apple products. You are actually saying there is favoritism. It's dishonest to claim otherwise. You've just suggested that Anand has succumbed to access journalism. Why not just be honest about what you think, rather pretending to be disinterested reporting on the views of others? Let's also note that the commenter accusing AnandTech of bias in that comment thread you linked is resoundingly and overwhelmingly rebutted by other readers.
    - corresation 13y ago
      Those kinds of complaints can be seen anywhere there is a positive review of Apple products. Those kinds of complaints can be seen anywhere there is a positive review of any product. If someone likes Google Glass, four hundred comments by people calling you a glasshole and telling you that you must like Google stealing all your data. Positive reviews of the Samsung Galaxy Note got huge criticism among the Apple sphere, everyone agog over how anyone could possibly like something so big (must be payola). And on and on and on.
      - gress 13y ago
        Quite so for most of these cases, but Samsung has been convicted for paying shills, so let's not use this as an excuse to whitewash them.
        corresation 13y ago
Cookingboy 13y ago
That's just them being silly, since Apple actually do make fantastic products and care more than the superficial marketing specs wars (GHz race, number of cores race, megapixel race, screen size race, etc).
makomk 13y ago
I can see why. They've been quite selective in what they compare the Mac Pro to in this review, for instance, because otherwise it wouldn't have come out so well. When they're arguing that it doesn't need expandability, they compare it to laptops and desktops that aren't expandable. Yet when it comes time to justify the pricing, they exclusively compare it to workstations that are aimed at a completely different market to desktops or laptops and have far more expansion options because that market expects them. If they compared the pricing to desktops and laptops or the expansion options to workstations, the Mac Pro would look a lot worse.
- glasshead969 13y ago
  I feel like he addresses the new design as a risk which he thinks something that should be taken. If that's something target market doesn't appreciate,then ultimately this will be a failed product. But Mac Pro is targeted towards a different audience than a HP workstation. Its targeted towards Hollywood and Animation community where there is a lot of Thunderbolt penetration.
- MBCook 13y ago
  I didn't see a big problem with it. They compared it's price to a few workstations to show that the price isn't unreasonable for similar hardware (i.e. Apple isn't adding a $1200 workstation tax). For the rest of the review they compared it to other Macs, because chances are that's what buyers are going to compare it with. If you want a Mac, those are your choices. I really doubt too many people who are in the market for an HP or Dell workstation are going to consider a Mac Pro. Plus there is the problem of benchmarks. The OS can make a big difference, so you'd either have to run every benchmark twice on each system (once on OS X, once on Windows or Linux), and then the non-Macs can't run OS X. It would be a ton of extra work, but I'm not sure how much gain it would give. Again, I think the number of workstation shoppers who will consider this machine is small. I expect the vast majority of it's sales will be to Mac users who want something more powerful than an iMac or a MacBook Pro.
  - morganherlocker 13y ago
    > I really doubt too many people who are in the market for an HP or Dell workstation are going to consider a Mac Pro Especially with the gap in Mac Pro releases over the past few years, I have seen many people deciding between Mac Pro and a custom built hackintosh. For the stuff that really justifies a Mac Pro, these were the only two options for some time (short of moving off of an OSX stack). Sure, someone custom building a multi thousand dollar work station is not your typical consumer, but neither is your typical buyer of a spec'd out Mac Pro.
caycep 13y ago
I always attributed this to the anti-Apple-ism of the "enthusiast" crowd that like their machines big, over clocked, and running hot. Anandtech fawns over a lot of products, but I suspect perhaps this is due to them reviewing products they are interested in, and not wasting time on stuff they aren't. I'd start to worry if people can't reproduce their lab numbers but at the moment, they're considered the most detailed and accurate of the lot.
coldtea 13y ago
>I like Anandtech but they have come into criticism recently, from some of their long-time readers, for fawning over Apple products. Which, instantly, should be reason enough to understand that said criticism is BS. Apple products are among the best in the industry, period. Not just from the industrial design part of it, but overall: coherence of product vision, attention to important characteristics for the target market (battery time, portability, weight), quality machining and materials, attention to small details (from multitouch touchpad to magsafe adaptor and from backlit keyboard to magnetic, non protruding, lid hinge). These people think that because they are not speced and designed like gaming PCs they are not worthy ("I can have a better GPU for less money in my custom box, and with xeon lights on the sides too). And they attribute their popularity to some BS "reality distortion" effect, ignoring the fact that hardcore hackers, prominent programmers and old school neckerbeards, from Rob Pike, DHH, and Duncan Davidson to Jamie Jawinsky and Miguel De Icaza (the frigging founder of the Gnome desktop) down to Linus Torvalds, who waxes poetically about his MacBook Air as the best in the market. So, "fawning over Apple" justs translates to "did some favorable reviews of products, instead of making up BS reasons to dislike them".
- yapcguy 13y ago
  Rob Pike wrote a blog post "Thank you Apple" (sarcasm) because of the problems he was having with his iMac and Apple's software. http://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/09/thank-you-apple.html http://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/09/thank-you-apple.ht... Linus Torvalds is said to be using the ChromeBook Pixel as his primary machine. http://www.geek.com/chips/linus-torvalds-is-making-the-chromebook-pixel-his-primary-laptop-1541940/ http://www.geek.com/chips/linus-torvalds-is-making-the-chrom... As for Miguel De Icaza, he's eating his own dog food, as he now makes his money selling an IDE for iOS development, so of course he's going to choose the Mac because that's where the toolchain is.
  - leephillips 13y ago
    From now on when people ask me why I use Linux instead of OSX and why I refuse to install closed-source, copy-protected software, I'm going to send them to Rob Pike's eloquent description of his self-inflicted torture.
Tloewald 13y ago
It's funny how most PC review sites get into trouble for allegedly fawning over apple hardware once they start reviewing it regularly. I wonder why that might be?

I like Anandtech but they have come into criticism recently, from some of their long-time readers, for fawning over Apple products.

by yapcguy 13y ago

I like Anandtech but they have come into criticism recently, from some of their long-time readers, for fawning over Apple products.

gareim 13y ago

Well that's silly. "Anandtech does great reviews unless it's favorable to something I'm not, so then those reviews must be biased". Either you trust Anandtech or you don't. And if you do, then you shouldn't call the reviews that go against your views as biased. By "you", I don't mean you, yapcguy. Just in general towards those that are criticizing Anandtech.

Watabou 13y ago

It looks like your dislike of Apple somehow means that Anandtech is the one who is biased? Really? Come on now.

Cookingboy 13y ago
He wasn't speaking for himself, he was talking about some of their readers.
- sbuk 13y ago
  Reading his other comment, he's talking for himself.
- revscat 13y ago
  Readers who are complained about far more often than they are actually seen.
- freshyill 13y ago
  "Some say…" is the Fox News way of saying "we just made this up on the show that preceded this one". Unless someone can actually call their conclusions and numbers into question using actual facts, then it's just anti-Apple whining, whether it's him or "some readers".
yapcguy 13y ago
Look, it's not just me sitting here complaining. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2270612 http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2270612 Pretty much every review of Apple gear has people moaning about bias in the comments. I'm not saying there is any favoritism, but certainly the perception amongst Anandtech readers is that there might be. At the end of the day, there's no reason why the writers at Anandtech would be any more immune to access journalism than other folk who have tried and failed.
- gress 13y ago
  Those kinds of complaints can be seen anywhere there is a positive review of Apple products. You are actually saying there is favoritism. It's dishonest to claim otherwise. You've just suggested that Anand has succumbed to access journalism. Why not just be honest about what you think, rather pretending to be disinterested reporting on the views of others? Let's also note that the commenter accusing AnandTech of bias in that comment thread you linked is resoundingly and overwhelmingly rebutted by other readers.
  - corresation 13y ago
    Those kinds of complaints can be seen anywhere there is a positive review of Apple products. Those kinds of complaints can be seen anywhere there is a positive review of any product. If someone likes Google Glass, four hundred comments by people calling you a glasshole and telling you that you must like Google stealing all your data. Positive reviews of the Samsung Galaxy Note got huge criticism among the Apple sphere, everyone agog over how anyone could possibly like something so big (must be payola). And on and on and on.
    - gress 13y ago
      Quite so for most of these cases, but Samsung has been convicted for paying shills, so let's not use this as an excuse to whitewash them.
      - corresation 13y ago

Cookingboy 13y ago

That's just them being silly, since Apple actually do make fantastic products and care more than the superficial marketing specs wars (GHz race, number of cores race, megapixel race, screen size race, etc).

makomk 13y ago

I can see why. They've been quite selective in what they compare the Mac Pro to in this review, for instance, because otherwise it wouldn't have come out so well. When they're arguing that it doesn't need expandability, they compare it to laptops and desktops that aren't expandable. Yet when it comes time to justify the pricing, they exclusively compare it to workstations that are aimed at a completely different market to desktops or laptops and have far more expansion options because that market expects them. If they compared the pricing to desktops and laptops or the expansion options to workstations, the Mac Pro would look a lot worse.

glasshead969 13y ago
I feel like he addresses the new design as a risk which he thinks something that should be taken. If that's something target market doesn't appreciate,then ultimately this will be a failed product. But Mac Pro is targeted towards a different audience than a HP workstation. Its targeted towards Hollywood and Animation community where there is a lot of Thunderbolt penetration.
MBCook 13y ago
I didn't see a big problem with it. They compared it's price to a few workstations to show that the price isn't unreasonable for similar hardware (i.e. Apple isn't adding a $1200 workstation tax). For the rest of the review they compared it to other Macs, because chances are that's what buyers are going to compare it with. If you want a Mac, those are your choices. I really doubt too many people who are in the market for an HP or Dell workstation are going to consider a Mac Pro. Plus there is the problem of benchmarks. The OS can make a big difference, so you'd either have to run every benchmark twice on each system (once on OS X, once on Windows or Linux), and then the non-Macs can't run OS X. It would be a ton of extra work, but I'm not sure how much gain it would give. Again, I think the number of workstation shoppers who will consider this machine is small. I expect the vast majority of it's sales will be to Mac users who want something more powerful than an iMac or a MacBook Pro.
- morganherlocker 13y ago
  > I really doubt too many people who are in the market for an HP or Dell workstation are going to consider a Mac Pro Especially with the gap in Mac Pro releases over the past few years, I have seen many people deciding between Mac Pro and a custom built hackintosh. For the stuff that really justifies a Mac Pro, these were the only two options for some time (short of moving off of an OSX stack). Sure, someone custom building a multi thousand dollar work station is not your typical consumer, but neither is your typical buyer of a spec'd out Mac Pro.

caycep 13y ago

I always attributed this to the anti-Apple-ism of the "enthusiast" crowd that like their machines big, over clocked, and running hot. Anandtech fawns over a lot of products, but I suspect perhaps this is due to them reviewing products they are interested in, and not wasting time on stuff they aren't. I'd start to worry if people can't reproduce their lab numbers but at the moment, they're considered the most detailed and accurate of the lot.

coldtea 13y ago

>I like Anandtech but they have come into criticism recently, from some of their long-time readers, for fawning over Apple products. Which, instantly, should be reason enough to understand that said criticism is BS. Apple products are among the best in the industry, period. Not just from the industrial design part of it, but overall: coherence of product vision, attention to important characteristics for the target market (battery time, portability, weight), quality machining and materials, attention to small details (from multitouch touchpad to magsafe adaptor and from backlit keyboard to magnetic, non protruding, lid hinge). These people think that because they are not speced and designed like gaming PCs they are not worthy ("I can have a better GPU for less money in my custom box, and with xeon lights on the sides too). And they attribute their popularity to some BS "reality distortion" effect, ignoring the fact that hardcore hackers, prominent programmers and old school neckerbeards, from Rob Pike, DHH, and Duncan Davidson to Jamie Jawinsky and Miguel De Icaza (the frigging founder of the Gnome desktop) down to Linus Torvalds, who waxes poetically about his MacBook Air as the best in the market. So, "fawning over Apple" justs translates to "did some favorable reviews of products, instead of making up BS reasons to dislike them".

yapcguy 13y ago
Rob Pike wrote a blog post "Thank you Apple" (sarcasm) because of the problems he was having with his iMac and Apple's software. http://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/09/thank-you-apple.html http://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/09/thank-you-apple.ht... Linus Torvalds is said to be using the ChromeBook Pixel as his primary machine. http://www.geek.com/chips/linus-torvalds-is-making-the-chromebook-pixel-his-primary-laptop-1541940/ http://www.geek.com/chips/linus-torvalds-is-making-the-chrom... As for Miguel De Icaza, he's eating his own dog food, as he now makes his money selling an IDE for iOS development, so of course he's going to choose the Mac because that's where the toolchain is.
- leephillips 13y ago
  From now on when people ask me why I use Linux instead of OSX and why I refuse to install closed-source, copy-protected software, I'm going to send them to Rob Pike's eloquent description of his self-inflicted torture.

Tloewald 13y ago

It's funny how most PC review sites get into trouble for allegedly fawning over apple hardware once they start reviewing it regularly. I wonder why that might be?