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I think the article is missing a lot of context. What was the offending issue?

by rpedela 13y ago

dmpk2k 13y ago
At a guess: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538615 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538... and https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482dcc8d1c41c14333fcb48 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482d... Those two may not seem like much (at least I don't think so), but this kind of passive-aggressive behaviour isn't atypical for bnoordhuis. Eventually it'll cause a bad backlash. Like this. bnoordhuis is an example of a problem that many popular OSS projects will face in their lifetime: is keeping a highly-productive jerk around worth it? On the one hand they produce good code, but on the other they help drag the community's ethos into the tank.
- victorhooi 13y ago
  I just see a guy following policy, and then reverting the patch when that policy was broken. Also, I don't know if it's very smart calling somebody a jerk whom you've never met, or had any significant dealings with. It's very easy to do it from the comfort of your couch at home, but I suspect it'd be a different story if they were right in front of you. In fact, it's basically bullying. This is the sort of thing you get from reading tabloids or gossip mags - "OMG, Kim Kardashian is like, such a <xyz>, because I read that, like, <xyz> said <xyz> to <xyz>. She is like, a total <xyz>! I mean, if I were her, I'd <xyz>". Seriously, I would have thought that HN as a community is better than that.
  - dmpk2k 13y ago
    You're making a lot of assumptions there.
mmaster5 13y ago
Here is the context: Joyent VP of Eng calls Node.js leading contributor an asshole on the corporate blog. http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun Real classy. Yes the guy was being thick, but he was virtually fired by someone not at his own company.
itafroma 13y ago
The original issue was a pull request[1] made to the libuv code base to change "him" to "them". It was rejected[2] by one of the committers, Ben Noordhuis, as being too trivial. That decision was reversed by Isaac Schlueter (another committer) and committed[3]. Noordhuis reverted that commit[4], chiding Schlueter for not following procedure, but that revert was quickly reverted itself. Bryan Cantrill of Joyent, one of the sponsors of the project and Schleuter's employer, wrote a blog post[5] indicating that had Noordhuis been a Joyent employee, he would've been fired. This post here is a response to that post. Strongloop is Noordhuis's employer. [1]: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 [2]: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538615 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538... [3]: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/47d98b64c45db8335bf7e065351e385cae32323d https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/47d98b64c45db8335bf7e... [4]: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482dcc8d1c41c14333fcb48 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482d... [5]: http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
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- dmourati 13y ago
  Not exactly. There are two Isaacs. Isaac Roth at StrongLoop, author of the OP, he didn't come into the story until today. Isaac Schlueter works for Joyent, and originally committed the requested change.
  - itafroma 13y ago
    Yeah, sorry about that; I just caught that mistake myself. Fixed.
  - richardfontana 13y ago
    Roth is actually Issac, not Isaac.
    - 13y ago

I think the article is missing a lot of context. What was the offending issue?

by rpedela 13y ago

I think the article is missing a lot of context. What was the offending issue?

At a guess: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538615 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538... and https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482dcc8d1c41c14333fcb48 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482d... Those two may not seem like much (at least I don't think so), but this kind of passive-aggressive behaviour isn't atypical for bnoordhuis. Eventually it'll cause a bad backlash. Like this. bnoordhuis is an example of a problem that many popular OSS projects will face in their lifetime: is keeping a highly-productive jerk around worth it? On the one hand they produce good code, but on the other they help drag the community's ethos into the tank.

victorhooi 13y ago
I just see a guy following policy, and then reverting the patch when that policy was broken. Also, I don't know if it's very smart calling somebody a jerk whom you've never met, or had any significant dealings with. It's very easy to do it from the comfort of your couch at home, but I suspect it'd be a different story if they were right in front of you. In fact, it's basically bullying. This is the sort of thing you get from reading tabloids or gossip mags - "OMG, Kim Kardashian is like, such a <xyz>, because I read that, like, <xyz> said <xyz> to <xyz>. She is like, a total <xyz>! I mean, if I were her, I'd <xyz>". Seriously, I would have thought that HN as a community is better than that.
- dmpk2k 13y ago
  You're making a lot of assumptions there.

mmaster5 13y ago

Here is the context: Joyent VP of Eng calls Node.js leading contributor an asshole on the corporate blog. http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun Real classy. Yes the guy was being thick, but he was virtually fired by someone not at his own company.

itafroma 13y ago

The original issue was a pull request[1] made to the libuv code base to change "him" to "them". It was rejected[2] by one of the committers, Ben Noordhuis, as being too trivial. That decision was reversed by Isaac Schlueter (another committer) and committed[3]. Noordhuis reverted that commit[4], chiding Schlueter for not following procedure, but that revert was quickly reverted itself. Bryan Cantrill of Joyent, one of the sponsors of the project and Schleuter's employer, wrote a blog post[5] indicating that had Noordhuis been a Joyent employee, he would've been fired. This post here is a response to that post. Strongloop is Noordhuis's employer. [1]: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 [2]: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538615 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538... [3]: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/47d98b64c45db8335bf7e065351e385cae32323d https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/47d98b64c45db8335bf7e... [4]: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482dcc8d1c41c14333fcb48 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482d... [5]: http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun

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dmourati 13y ago
Not exactly. There are two Isaacs. Isaac Roth at StrongLoop, author of the OP, he didn't come into the story until today. Isaac Schlueter works for Joyent, and originally committed the requested change.
- itafroma 13y ago
  Yeah, sorry about that; I just caught that mistake myself. Fixed.
- richardfontana 13y ago
  Roth is actually Issac, not Isaac.
  - 13y ago