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- druidsbane 13y ago1lb! finally a reasonable weight for the full size iPad, I was worried they'd lower it back to the same weight as the iPad 2 rather than make a dramatic change like this.
- 6ren 13y agoHow can the iPad 5 have x2 the graphics power over the iPad 4, when the iPad 5 has the same A7 as the iPhone 5S - rather than an A7X, as they've done previously. Have they just stopped using the A7X style name? Have they just x2 the GPU frequency? (seems implausible, but it's Rogue, which is apparently extremely efficient, and maybe could handle x2 frequency?). edited above for clarity BTW: The anandtech iPhone 5S review (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/7 http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/7) noted that the A7's rogue G6430 is more powerful than was utilized in the iPhone 5S: At 200MHz that would give the A7 twice the peak theoretical performance of the GPU in the iPhone 5. And from what I’ve heard, the G6430 is clocked much higher than that. If 200MHz is correct, I bet the iPad 5 just doubled the GPU frequency to 400MHz.
- devx 13y agoIt's possible they wanted to be misleading like that. So the A7 in iPhone 5S could have a certain level of performance, while the "A7" in iPad Air has its GPU clocked twice as higher, but the same name.
- czhiddy 13y agoThe iPad4 doesn't pack an A7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A6X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A6X
- 6ren 13y agoTrue, but I don't follow how that's connected to my comment... maybe I should explain the background of my comment. The iPhone 5S (A7) has x1 the graphics power as the iPad 4. The iPad 5 (A7) has x2 the graphics power of the iPad 4. So... how to get double the graphics power out of the same SoC (A7)? That was the puzzle (likely ans: x2 frequency)
- tedunangst 13y agoYou may be incorrectly assuming all A7 SoCs are identical. The Apple TV has an A5, but it's only single core, unlike it's dual core phone and tablet brethren. Maybe they just dropped the X moniker.
- 6ren 13y agoIf you have a look at my original comment, I suggested that: "Have they just stopped using the A7X style name?"
- tedunangst 13y agooh, right. I think that's the answer.
- 6ren 13y agoYou could be right, but have a read of the review I linked above, search for the text I quoted, and read around that. To me, it's compelling that the iPhone 5S's GPU is severely underclocked, leaving headroom for reuse in the iPad 5. And of course higher-clocking is usual in iPads, with their larger battery. BONUS: for next year, the G6630 gives 50% performance increase + the expected node shrink allows a further ~30% overclock. 1.5*1.3 = 1.95 ~ 2.0. For the following year, they could go for G6630MP2 (the 6 clusters can be multicored as a whole). Next (three years from now), they could go G6630MP3 plus another node shrink. By that time, there could be 8/10 clusters available G6830, G6A30 etc, and an entirely new architecture in the works, though probably not yet available.
- Touche 13y agoArticle has little info, is this just a rebranding of the "big iPad" line?
- druidsbane 13y agohttp://9to5mac.com/2013/10/22/apple-announces-the-ipad-air-20-thinner-1-pound/ http://9to5mac.com/2013/10/22/apple-announces-the-ipad-air-2... this has even more info.
- epmatsw 13y agoYep, lighter faster version. Realistically, they probably realized that people want to be able to tell what version it is from the name. The previous two iterations were just the "new iPad".
- marcusestes 13y agoInteresting that it's also getting the new M7 motion co-processor. It's good to see the market for always-on motion sensor computing increasing.
- monkey_slap 13y agoI really need to get more creative with my personal apps now that someone can be carrying an iPhone 5S and iPad Air, both that can be iBeacons and accurately track motion. Ugh, there has to be something there!
- phaus 13y agoI know that not everyone uses a keyboard case, but I am saddened by the fact that the new one is too small to support a usable keyboard case. When I purchased a Clamcase Pro, I started using my iPad for pretty much everything, from term papers to code. While it was still pretty small, I could comfortably type about 90wpm on it, which is only about 10-15 less than I normally type. For everyone else, this looks like pretty good upgrade.
- lparry 13y agoToo small? Logitech makes a keyboard cover for the mini [1], they'll surely do one for the ipad air [1] http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/ultrathin-keyboard-mini http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/ultrathin-keyboard-min...
- phaus 13y agoJust because they make something, doesn't mean it works well. Only someone with relatively small hands will be able to type accurately and comfortably on that thing. It's also not the kind of keyboard case that works well on your lap. The Clamcase Pro, on the other hand, did a pretty good job of converting my iPad into a MacBook Air that runs IOS. I'm curious to see if they'll manage to come out with a usable solution for the new one. If not, I don't really need to upgrade my iPad 4 for another year or so anyways.
- robterrell 13y agoI use this logitech keyboard every day and absolutely love it. The overall package is thinner than the Clamcase Pro, too. I basically use this iPad everywhere not my desk, and can't go back to lugging my laptop around.
- jmduke 13y agoOne of the more interesting aspects of this is that they're keeping the iPad 2 at $399 (compared to the Air's $499). I can't imagine the value proposition for a new iPad 2 is at all attractive at that price point (I bought mine used for ~$250 last summer.)
- tomkarlo 13y agoMaybe some kind of appeal to institutional buyers who want that form factor (and maybe the old port / shape) to keep their fleet of device consistent? Maybe just a lot of extra components / panels for that design?
- guyzero 13y agoYes, it's there to extract money from institutions that are stuck with 30-pin charging/management configurations.
- smackfu 13y agoIt's a crummy product, but if they put a better product at that price point, it would take too many sales away from the $499 one.
- nknighthb 13y agoThey did put a better product at that price point -- the new iPad Mini.
- SurfScore 13y agoThis is definitely for enterprise and school purchases. We have an educational app, Kodable, and a huge number of our users are still on iPad 2s. When you buy in volume, that extra $100 goes a long way, and, for better or worse, schools and enterprise don't always want cutting edge tech.
- terrellm 13y agoMy 5 year old really loves playing Kodable. Congrats on creating a educational game.
- yeukhon 13y ago> Apple says is 8 times faster and has 72 times better graphics performance than the old processor. I am always amused by this.
- robflynn 13y agoThat was with respect to the original iPad compared to the iPad Air . I may have misheard. I had the video minimized while working on other things.
- yeukhon 13y agoRight. But the number seems very interesting. Almost every update you see a similar number. Power of Morse Law.
- ScottWhigham 13y agoThere was a graphic they had up too that showed this - I think it was 8x over the iPad 2 but I could be wrong.
- corin_ 13y agohttp://www.apple.com/ipad-air/ http://www.apple.com/ipad-air/ says 2x for both CPU and GPU.
- venomsnake 13y agoNo it is compared to iPad one. Which makes it ridiculous. They are just keeping up with Moore's law (or are slightly ahead of the curve). And I suppose the GPU is mostly increased die area - will wait for the teardown. I think that apple is having a case of "taking ourselves too seriously" lately and have believed all the praise parts of the pundits are pouring on them so they cannot see how absurd that sounds.
- alexeisadeski3 13y agoWhy does Apple depart from the series numbers with the iPad? New iPad, now iPad Air... seems silly?
- epmatsw 13y agoAn interesting guess would be that they're going to repurpose the generic iPad name for something beefier like the Surface. In that case, the iPad Air would sort of be the lighter portable version similar to the Macbook Pro/Macbook Air. Just an idea that popped into my head.
- alexeisadeski3 13y agoThat's an interesting thought. It's presumably only a matter of time before the heart of Apple's PC line is converted to touchscreen. Whether they will carry the Macbook branding or iPad branding or a mixture of both will be interesting.
- twoodfin 13y agoI think Apple leaves the number on the iPhone because carrier contracts make it a naturally cyclical purchase: When users come off contract, Apple wants them to know that there's a new phone available with a big +1 number. Conversely, Apple wants you to buy a new iPad as soon as you want one, and not sit around waiting for the N+1 model. Spreading out purchases over the device lifecycle gives them better margins as manufacturing and components get cheaper.
- AJ007 13y agoIf you look at the back of the iPhones, the iPhone 3GS was the last one to name itself. Recently an Apple store employee wasn't to happy that I kept saying iPad 4. I suppose in a world where change is frequent and incremental rather than dramatic and rare removing the version number is appropriate to minimize consumer confusion. What strikes me more about this iPad Air is the price points. $499 16GB wifi only is a very hard sell to the mass market when a Nexus 7 16GB comes in at $230. Size matters here, but I can see Apple being in big trouble when Google's tablet is half the price and has a handful of more advanced features. I guess that is why Apple hired that Burberry executive last week. They can sit right next to the Vertu store.
- avenger123 13y agoI don't know how Apple does it. I want one of these.
- radicalbyte 13y agoLighter. Faster. More magical. Sigh. Disappointing. What happened to doing something revolutionary? Where is the the text input? Apple are driving by creatives. When can I write my book on my Apple tablet? And what's with the 16gb model. As they said, it has been almost 4 years now. And the 16gb model persists.
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- seanmcdirmid 13y ago1 lbs for a 10" tablet is not revolutionary? Plenty of people are writing books on Apple tablets, it's easy to attach a keyboard and many do. Or maybe you meant that as a non sequitur?
- jewel 13y ago> 1 lbs for a 10" tablet is not revolutionary? It's a welcome incremental upgrade, but that's not what most people would consider revolutionary. The 10" Sony tablet is 1.09 pounds. Revolutionary would be something like eye tracking and constant voice input to make it possible to do completely hands-free usage.
- memossy 13y agoKindle HDX 8.9" a similar size, but 0.82 lbs (20% lighter)
- acqq 13y agoThe display area is significantly smaller in Kindle. Try to calculate. I get 45 sq in for iPad, 36 sq in for Kindle.
- enraged_camel 13y agoYeah, and my Hyundai Santa Fe is 20% larger than a Honda Civic, which clearly makes it better.
- 4ad 13y ago> Sadly, one thing it doesn't appear to have—at least, not yet—is a gold casing. Can't tell if sarcasm or not.
- rje 13y agoGiven that the gold 5s was incredibly popular at launch, would it really be surprising that someone wants an ipad with the same option?
- gkhnarik 13y agoApple keeps disappointing me
- avenger123 13y agoWhere is the mac mini update? This is really what I want to see. An updated mac mini with Haswell would be really nice. I hope they just update it even if it didn't make it to the main announcements.
- dhruvmittal 13y agoI could see that happening. The Mac Mini is a beloved machine, albeit not a very exciting one.
- randomhunt 13y agoYeah this was what I was hoping for as well. Does anybody know when its likely to be released?
- rsynnott 13y agoThey haven't announced a Mac Mini refresh in years. It'll slip out quietly at some point.
- phaus 13y agoSo their new commercial for the iPad focuses on the fact that so many people use it for productivity, so why can't Apple create a decent, first-party pressure sensitive stylus, so we don't have to deal with expensive, clunky, third-party solutions.
- arbitrage 13y agoObviously because Apple does not want you to use a stylus with it. Or perhaps, they don't want to be the ones to tell you that you could use a stylus with it if you wanted. They want to perpetuate the idea that it's self contained; a stylus would contradict that.
- enraged_camel 13y agoSteve Jobs said it best: "if you see a stylus, they blew it."
- 51Cards 13y agoThat statement gets used a lot to downplay the concept of a stylus, and in that context it is flatly incorrect to be blunt. Viewing it that ways makes the assumption that you intent to use a stylus as a finger replacement. The finger and the stylus are different input devices with different levels of ease of use and accuracy. It is wrong to assume they are meant to accomplish the same tasks. No device should be limited to either one... finger or stylus. I use the stylus to draw on my Surface and quite frankly I love what it allows me to do. But when I go back to surfing, fingers all the way.
- biot 13y agoSteve Jobs also said you'd have to sharpen your fingers to use a tablet smaller than the full-sized iPad. :)
- fumar 13y agoLets pretend paper is the leading technology for communication. The leader in the paper industry thinks you should write/draw with your finger. You have ten of them. But, some people, need more precision than a human finger allows. They use an object with a finer point than our fingers. But, the rest of us are okay with just finger painting. The paper was designed to be large enough for fingers to use. It would be nice to sometimes use a different input method on paper when the finger won't cut it. I see nothing wrong with having more than one input method. There is no right or wrong way.
- Osiris 13y agoCan someone explain to me the obsession with "thinner"? This model is 2mm thinner and it's touted as taking "years of work". Lighter, I understand. Thin is a good goal, but 2mm is pretty pointless when you're just going to put a 5-10mm thick cover/case on it anyway.
- cwe 13y agoConsidering the battery they need to power that hardware, while getting that battery life, getting it that thin is a big deal.
- BHSPitMonkey 13y agoThe parent commenter isn't arguing the engineering feats required to achieve the extra bit of "thin-ness"; They're asking why that extra 2mm is so desirable in the first place. At the risk of sounding small-minded, I really don't see why today's phones and tablets should need to be much thinner than they already are. Sure, keep miniaturizing the internal components, but use the saved space for extra battery cells or storage. I'm not trying to fit a second phone in my pocket.
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- BHSPitMonkey 13y agoYou're talking about weight, which the comment in question acknowledged as desirable.
- hadem 13y agoI've wondered this for years as well. I would much rather see improvements in other areas then constant boasts about "thinnest" XYZ product.
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- untog 13y agoOkay. Looks good. Recently, Apple seems big on iteration and small on innovation. Miniaturising an existing product is definitely a good iteration, but when I see Microsoft experimenting with touch covers and the like, I do wish Apple would try one or two new things again.
- ultimoo 13y agoI think TouchID and the new Mac Pro are quite innovative in their functionality and design.
- falcolas 13y agoThe Mac Pro is over a year old now. And touch id has been around in some form for years. Both are nice, though neither is very revolutionary.
- Cookingboy 13y agoHuh? The new Mac Pro isn't even available for sale yet. That revolution design was only announced at WWDC a few months back. Are you sure you are not confusing it with the MacbookPro?
- falcolas 13y agoErm, yup. You're right; I was thinking of the Macbook Pro. I think I've put a mental block on the Mac Pro, but that's due to my use cases for a computer having no intersections with the Mac Pro's use cases. That said, calling it revolutionary seems a bit much - the form factor is certainly new and unique, but none of its components (or its roles) are distinct from that of the previous Mac Pros. Certainly not on the scale of differences between the original iPad and its competitors at the time, or the iPhone, or the iPod. It could safely be argued as a simple iteration on the PC's form factor.
- gfodor 13y agoIf your bar is so high that the new Mac Pro's case is not called "innovative" I don't know what to tell you. It is almost self evidentially a out-of-the-box, non incremental approach to how to design the case of a desktop machine. You can decide you don't like it, but it's clearly innovative.
- vsampath 13y agoApple is going for even higher margins, and it will still sell well since who doesn't want a lighter iPad? * SoC: A5X was 165mm^2. A6X was 123mm^2. A7 is only 102mm^2 with a 64-bit memory interface instead of 128-bit. They can do PoP memory too for even smaller PCB area. So much cheaper. * WiFi/LTE: same chips probably used on iPhone 5c, 5s, iPad Air, and iPad mini. Simpler inventory and buy in even higher quantities. * Screen: same screen as all previous retina generations likely. * Battery: much smaller since the GPU is more efficient. More cost savings.
- rsynnott 13y ago> * SoC: A5X was 165mm^2. A6X was 123mm^2. A7 is only 102mm^2 with a 64-bit memory interface instead of 128-bit. This was pretty inevitable; the A5X was _absurdly_ large for a mobile SoC, and they only did it because they had to. Even the A7 is on the hefty side; it's about the biggest of its process node.
- bsimpson 13y agoNo TouchID? Surprised they'd introduce a new feature on their premium phone and not include it on the (currently) premium iPads, especially since the other 5s hardware (motion coprocessor, 64-bit architecture) has been carried over. I would have thought they'd want to build a basic foundation for the future, e.g. "all devices better than the 5s include 64 bit, motion, and TouchID". When you vary on a feature (like TouchID), you discourage people from building cutting-edge experiences that require it.
- atonse 13y agoMostly agree - although you can only use TouchID now to unlock your phone and buy stuff from Apple. So I think they probably want to give it a year out in the wild to see exactly how secure it is, so they can then unleash it with an API to developers. That's my hunch.
- MikeCapone 13y agoIt's also not as useful on a tablet, so there's less hurry. A phone is often in public spaces, and unlocked dozens of times a day. That's rare for a tablet.
- mikeevans 13y agoI agreed 100%. I'm assuming that it will come next year (or whenever) when/if they have multi-user support in iOS. Scan your finger, get logged in as your user.
- replax 13y agoI don't think that they'll add multiuser support because then the incentive for e.g. each family member getting their own idevice would be less. instead people might get a family ipad...
- freehunter 13y agoThe benefit from having multiple iPads is that multiple people can use theirs at once. Multi-user doesn't help that fact, you end up with a family iPad that's just shared without separate user accounts.
- ChuckMcM 13y agoInteresting, not sure if its enough to make be upgrade but still. Weirdly when the 'ipad air' moniker leaked I figured they were going to a do an iOS version of the Macbook Air to capture the 'appliance laptop' market that the Chromebook and Surface 2 are gunning for. The graphics and cpu boosts are nice (and nice that they are accompanied by a run time boost) but what about the camera? What about the sensors? Looking forward to the full appraisal post event.
- PilateDeGuerre 13y agoThe 'appliance laptop' market is too similar to the failed netbook market for Apple to approach or care about, I think. If Apple were to come out with an new or hybrid category I don't think it would resemble an 'appliance laptop'. Afterall, the MacBook Air wasn't a competitor to the netbooks - it was a competitor to the ultrabooks being touted by Intel et al. The iPad was the sleeper competitor to the netbook and killed that market (with help from Windows and Intel desperate to not have the PC platform not go that far down market). If Apple comes out with something to address the 'appliance laptop' market I expect it to be an official Apple design and manufactured keyboard for the iPad line* and not an entirely new product. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere yet, but the "iPad Air" and "iPad Mini" monikers leave room for the simply "iPad" moniker to eventually refer to something entirely re-imagined or ultra-premium. At the least it leaves room for a larger "iPad". * What is the state of the art in usability in the 3rd party iPad keyboard market these days?
- jfb 13y ago"Afterall, the MacBook Air wasn't a competitor to the netbooks - it was a competitor to the ultrabooks being touted by Intel et al." This is backwards: the original MBA was introduced in 2008, and Intel only introduced the "Ultrabook" branding several years later. The MBA was largely panned as a far-too-expensive Apple attempt to cover their flank from the inexorable advance of the netbook. It was only when the iPad and competitive Android tablets put paid to netbooks that Intel came around to the design.
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- tocomment 13y agoDoes anyone know what the airplane game they're showing here is? http://images.apple.com/ipad-air/features/images/performance_hero.jpg http://images.apple.com/ipad-air/features/images/performance... I'd like to get it.
- shirowski 13y agoIt's Sky Gamblers: Air Supremacy by Namco. Here's the App Store link: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/sky-gamblers-air-supremacy/id505730036?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/sky-gamblers-air-supremacy/i...
- tenpoundhammer 13y agoRevolution and innovation don't happy everyday, that's what makes them special and amazing. Expecting one company to be revolutionary and innovative once a year is expecting too much, once every ten years is probably expecting too much. Good incremental steps is not only expected, it's probably all that's possible. Most people go through their entire life without thinking up something innovative, much less making it.
- hbharadwaj 13y agoTrue. Nonetheless, I find myself a bit disappointed. At this point, the only thing iPad has is a first mover's advantage aka the App Store. There are very compelling alternatives available in both 7 inch and 10 inch range with interesting experimentation - Surface Blades for example. Nexus 7, Lumia 2520, Surface can match the build quality.
- gibwell 13y agoInteresting experimentation doesn't mean a more useful product, and those devices do not match the build quality. Whereas a 30% weight reduction and 100% performance improvement makes the iPad air far more useable in every situation
- javindo 13y agoWith all due respect, I really hope HN doesn't end up turning into an Apple fanatic site as was the case on certain tech blogs a few years ago. Also 2mm thinner warrants the "Air" title? I seriously think Apple are parodying themselves sometimes... Disclaimer: I am not any sort of "fanboy", I own an iPad and an android phone because they seem to be most suitable for me in those areas, I just feel as though HN is getting a bit caught up in the "hype" of Apple today.
- grinich 13y agoThey needed to change the name, and have been trying to get away from the numbering scheme. Remember how they tried to call the iPad 3 the "New iPad" but it failed to catch on?
- mung 13y agoWell, where do you go from there really..
- nknighthb 13y ago> I really hope HN doesn't end up turning into an Apple fanatic site You obviously haven't been around HN very long. Major apple announcements get significant coverage on HN. Always have, always will. > 2mm thinner Did you miss the ~30% weight reduction?
- eric_cc 13y agoYou are worried that this is becoming an Apple fanatic site because we are discussing new Apple products the same day they were announced?
- esw 13y agoJust reading through the (largely critical) comments in this thread, I don't think there's much of a chance of that happening.
- srik1234 13y agoIt would be interesting to see a HN poll on this. It seems to me that HN is mostly pro-Google/Android, anti-Apple, anti-MSFT, anti-FB and anti-Twitter.
- mjmsmith 13y agoFrom Apple's tech specs, the only differences I can see between the Retina Mini and the Air is the weight and size of the screen (the resolution is the same). So the extra $100 is for bigger heavier pixels?
- monkey_slap 13y agoBasically, yes. I personally will be buying the Air because I like my older iPad's size vs my iPhone. The mini is a great product, but it's just a little too small for me to fit the bedroom/travel entertainment category that I'm looking for. Plus, playing board and light-3d games on the 10" screen is really a joy.
- gibwell 13y agoMore materials and more battery. That's what you are paying the extra for. The larger device is better for collaboration and creative use whereas the smaller one is better for casual use and reading, but both are equally capable when it comes to choice of software.
- pearjuice 13y agoAt this point they are not even trying anymore. They put up the same tactic as with the iPhone 5C (marginally cheaper, definitely worse device than the top line just to make the step to the high-end device seem more reasonable and will be taken faster whilst getting rid of their old iPad supply), made everything a bit thinner, did some software updates and upgraded the hardware components. So, enjoy your time waiting for the NEW IPAD AIR 2014, TWICE AS LIGHT, NOW WITH FINGER PRINT SCANNER. RETINA MACBOOK AIR 2014. You can say anything you want, but this is nothing new. Gimmicks, I tell you. Which is absolutely fine if it weren't for Apple to market this stuff as revolutionary, insane new concepts beating the competition at every point. They are basically scamming customers and they don't even care as long as they get an Apple logo with it. To those Apple zealots down voting me: do you really need to suppress criticism this bad? Maybe it is because you are in denial or something? Feel bad, because it hurts to know you are being scammed?
- jreed91 13y agoWhy is this comment at the top? I don't know what else people want. You can't rewrite the script every year, iteration after iteration apple has improved this device and it only gets better. There is nothing wrong with that.
- wonderzombie 13y agoI downvoted you because your comment adds nothing to the conversation. This is a rehash of comments you can find anywhere else on the Internet. Your subjective opinion is that you don't care for these products or find them interesting, therefore Apple products are a gimmick/scam/whatever? And then you follow it up with the suggestion that people who disagree with you are "zealots" who are "suppressing criticism?" How the heck else would you have expected people to respond to an ad hominem like that? You are of course entitled to your opinions. Feel free to post them. But as long as they continue to add little value to the conversation they'll probably get downvoted, at least until you say something with more nuance or insight.
- lukifer 13y agoThe performance and weight are exciting, but does anyone else prefer the old thick bezel? I always loved that about the original iPad design, that there was seldom any concern about accidental touches and where to put your thumb(s).
- yaeger 13y agoStill as thick on top and bottom. It's just the sides that are thinner. I guess it depends how you hold it most of the time. Personally, I mostly hold it in landscape view, so I will have the thick bezel most of the time. There are just a few apps that make use of the portrait view and of course there are the eBooks I read, but that doesn't happen to often.
- vinkelhake 13y agoLooks nice. I'll be ordering one (my daughter accidentally destroyed our old iPad2). The only thing that bugs me is that they're still able to charge crazy money for more internal storage. $100 for going from 16 to 32GB, seriously?
- suresk 13y agoI find it slightly odd that Apple goes into a decent amount of technical detail on the processor in the iPad - calling out the number of registers and transistors - but still doesn't ever disclose how much RAM is in the thing. This is especially vexing, as my biggest complaint with my current iPad is that it doesn't have enough of it.
- dman 13y agoThats also why the Ipad1 now crashes on almost every app now - just has 256 megs of ram.
- taude 13y agoMy iPad 1 has been basically a brick for awhile.
- ricardo 13y agoThe iPad 1 still runs a surprising number of modern apps. My son plays newish games like Angry Birds Star Wars 2 or Asphalt Heat 7 without crashes or minimal lag. Not bad for a 4 year old device with only 256 Megs of RAM. I'm not sure what apps you're running, but I haven't had the same experience. If the app can be downloaded from the store and doesn't prevent you from opening it on older devices (ex: CSR Classic) it'll run just fine.
- grey-area 13y agoThe browser on my iPad 1 crashes constantly now (running the newer OS). Are you running iOS5 or the OS it came with? Do you do much web browsing on it?
- chmike 13y agoMe too and this is frustrating. With 64bit processor we would expect bigger ram since data grow it's size. 1GB seems too small and I fear I'll hit the memory size wall again too soon. May be the next iPad will have a bigger ram.
- ashray5 13y ago" I can't imagine the value proposition for a new iPad 2 is at all attractive at that price point.. " Its interesting how most people here assume that the world at large makes same choices as themselves. Consider iPhone pricing: Apple has been selling previous years models for $100 less than the latest version, yet they sold millions of outdated iPhones even in the US. Not everyone wants the latest gadget or cares about the greatest tech specs as long as they can extract the desired utility at the least possible price. There are laggards in the adoption curve who are more price sensitive than the early adopters. I'm a victim of this fallacy myself. I used to wonder who on the earth is clicking on those ads displayed next to Google search, why don't everyone just install AdBlock on their browsers? Yet Google raked in billions of dollars as people clicked on those ads that I considered spam.
- auctiontheory 13y agoIs there really enough here to persuade a current iPad owner to upgrade? Not for me. Apple's really going to have to push developers to crank out resource-intensive apps.
- madeofpalk 13y ago> Apple's really going to have to push developers to crank out resource-intensive apps. Why? I would say Apple is more interested in having developers crank out _great_ apps, rather than resource intensive. It just so happens these are usually more resource intensive.
- auctiontheory 13y agoI disagree that great apps need to be resource intensive. To borrow from another industry, "12 Angry Men" is still a great movie despite a complete lack of whiz bang special effects. A great app is about the story, not the photo-realism. At least for the upgrade market (of existing iPad owners), Apple does not benefit (much) from great apps that run fine on an iPad 1 or iPad 2.
- ek 13y agoI really, really dislike how much hate there is in this thread. I feel like someone always ends up making similar comments every time there's a new launch from Apple/Microsoft/Google/whomever, and there is never any change. Do you guys get psyched about anything? On the one end we have "Oh man, iPad air only has 1GB of RAM and 16GB of flash, how stupid" and on the other end we have "iPad hasn't cured cancer yet; would have expected more from Apple under Steve Jobs." Has it occurred to people to like, take a step back for a moment and think about how amazing it is that we as a society have advanced to the point where we can even have something like iPad? The iPad, and devices like it, have done so much to enrich so many people's lives, and isn't that what we're about in this community? We're all trying to make people's lives better with computers, and Apple is as much a part of this mission as any of the people on this site. Maybe it's easy to get karma by ranting and raving, especially on a site like this where controversy drives more upvotes than downvotes simply because more people have upvote-only privileges. But I want us to be better than this; I don't want this to be the norm for discussion in this community.
- acchow 13y ago> Has it occurred to people to like, take a step back for a moment and think about how amazing it is that we as a society have advanced to the point where we can even have something like iPad? We're all trying to make people's lives better with computers, and Apple is as much a part of this mission as any of the people on this site. Anyone who bleeds in six colors is quietly celebrating the achievements in this new launch; enriching and delighting lives with technology is exactly what they've always believed in.
- NicoJuicy 13y agoThe iPad to enrich people's live... Sorry, but the iPad/tablets are mostly used for browsing, creating photos and using apps and games. That's not really "enriching" life as i see it, it's a consumer device, not a production device... If you really want to make it enriching, make it non-obtrusive. And i would feel sorry for those whose life really is enriched with a electronic device.
- GuiA 13y ago
- xdd 13y agoI really hope Apple can make these products: iMac Air, iPad Pro & Macbook air Retina. Sent from iphone air pro.