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Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

324 points by zeis 13y ago

rlpb 13y ago
No, it's not released. The release is imminent. Ubuntu is developed in the open, so you get to see candidate release images on the page linked. Ubuntu is not released until the release is announced. If you're in doubt, expect to see an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing list, or its archive at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ Also see #ubuntu-release-party on Freenode. At the moment, the topic says "... No, it's not out yet | No, we don't have a set time for release" (written as of Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:55:59 +0000; obviously this post will become incorrect as soon as it actually is released)
- RossM 13y ago
  Agree, this is probably premature. However the homepage does advertise 13.10 so it's probably imminent: > Ubuntu Server 13.10 with OpenStack Havana, are you ready?
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  This is the release. These aren't candidate release images. They're just likely waiting until 13:10 GMT to officially announce it. I believe 13.04 was released at 13:04 too.
  - jessaustin 13y ago
    Every time, these releases get later and later!
    - samspenc 13y ago
      I wonder what they will do after 23.10 . :D
      - Touche 13y ago
        They'll be closed source by then so it won't matter.
        rlpb 13y ago
        "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be." --http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy From that page, it is clear that Ubuntu uses the FSF definition of "free" (and quotes it). The suggestion that Ubuntu will be closed source in the future is FUD. Everything that Canonical ships in Ubuntu is open source with an open bug tracker and open version control. (with the exception of proprietary drivers and Flash, etc, written outside the project, done for pragmatic reasons and optional with a clear option at installation time; this stuff has not increased but reduced in scope with things like nouveau available now).
- rlpb 13y ago
  Now it's out. [Edit] Actual release announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-October/000177.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-Octob...
- chatman 13y ago
  > Ubuntu is developed in the open Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and upstream contributions.
  - Flimm 13y ago
    Of course it's not developed 100% entirely in the open and with "spirit of community". Name one company that meets this standard.
    - zxcdw 13y ago
      Mozilla.
      - throwaway2048 13y ago
        Mozilla's bugzilla and mailing lists are approved posts only, that's not very open.
        simonster 13y ago
        Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.
        throwaway2048 13y ago
        Approved as in the posts need to be OK'd by a mod before being shown. And yes, they do censor heavily, try posting a well reasoned complaint about australis for instance and watch your mail not get approved.
        simonster 13y ago
        If the posts have to be approved by mods, they're not doing a very good job: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/RyXSTjJVG3M https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.fir... https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/COAb99w8H6U https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform... On another project I'm involved in, I've seen Google Groups decide that legitimate posts are spam. Not sure if that's what's happening here, but it's a possibility.
- yapcguy 13y ago
  Did anybody notice the zsync download links, next to the Torrent links? Anybody have experience with zsync downloads? Is it supposed to update a previous 13.10 Beta ISO, or any previous ISO, e.g. the 13.04 release? http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ Also, I wonder why they don't use magnet links instead of torrent files.
  - jablan 13y ago
    zsync can update any file, even an empty one (just rename it to the target file name). However, I am not sure how much you would actually save by using older ISOs.
routelastresort 13y ago
Releases link is live: http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/ http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/
- abrowne 13y ago
  Xubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/
  - username42 13y ago
    ubuntu-gnome http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/release/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/releas...
josteink 13y ago
Same day as Windows 8.1 hits the market. [1] Wonder which one will get most press coverage :) [1] http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/17/windows-8-1-now-available-to-download/?ncid=rss_truncated http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/17/windows-8-1-now-available...
baldfat 13y ago
Ubuntu is not going the direction I want for "my Linux. 1. Mir is a huge mistake (My opinion) 2. Unity (Well I am tiled window manager (i3) guy now so all DEs) I really don't like the flow of OS X and it is starting to really look more like OS X. DEFAULT an easily be changed. 3. Lack of community between the Linux ecosystem. Millions is spent on Ubuntu but seems like little makes it upstream. 4. Software Center. They need to just take OpenSUSE's one-click model and get rid of their current model of App Store and the horrible app model. (My model) 5. Their Developer SDK to "Write once, run everywhere." If I had a nickel for every time that was promised (Java looking at you) Once again OpenSUSE Build Service is the most underused Linux tool in the last decade https://build.opensuse.org/ https://build.opensuse.org/ Build it there and also build packages for other Distros also. Now after my list I have Ubuntu running my home server right now and well it is solid. I use OpenSUSE at work and Arch Linux on my tiny laptop and like those experiences more. People need to look at OpenSUSE again!
- 0x006A 13y ago
  can you use obs to build packages straight from git? Tarball based build workflows seam rather outdated to me.
  - halfasleep 13y ago
    Yeah, you can. The functionality is called "services". I'm not sure how auto-versioning would work with git though. I have packages building from SVN, and OBS updates the spec file automagically to set the version to the SVN revision.
    - tacticus 13y ago
      Git describe is what you want. it will take the nearest tag name and use that as the version with the number of commits from that tag as the release value.
- frank_boyd 13y ago
  > People need to look at OpenSUSE again! Isn't it really beautiful that we actually can do this, now? We can switch platforms within the same day - without real hassle or pain. I mean tell a Windows or Apple user that they need to look at something else, and guess what their answer will be...
talles 13y ago
Is it shipped with Mir? Their what's new page is kinda succinct: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html
- insertnickname 13y ago
  No
- Sirenos 13y ago
  Mir isn't yet ready for prime time. I wonder if they're planning an LTS launch for it. Won't be too good if that happens.
- baldfat 13y ago
  Mir is not ready. The next release is suppose to be a LTS which is scary. My prediction: LTS will be 14.10 and Mir will be default in 14.04.
  - jebblue 13y ago
    Usually the .04 release is LTS every two years, if they change that it will be a bit confusing, hope they don' do that.
- bkor 13y ago
  Mir is only planned for 14.10. They were planning Xmir for 13.10, but that has been delayed until 14.04. I think they're underestimating the amount of work that is needed for a pure Mir environment (without X handling everything via Xmir). A lot in Mir is pretty similar as in Wayland. I don't see how they'll offer the same features as X has without Xmir quicker than Wayland. Look at the amount of missing things in the GNOME Wayland technical preview. Adding an additional layer on top of X is one thing, but replacing X means a lot of work. Latest thing is getting accessibility right, which GNOME is working upon.
- jcastro 13y ago
  Mir is partially shipped, it's on the Touch (Phone) images.
abbot2 13y ago
To be honest "what's new" page looks, well, not very convincing: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html
- frank_boyd 13y ago
  It's a bit sparse maybe. And as "early" adopters, we probably don't care about the social crap etc. But as long as I can yank those packages whenever I want, I'm fine with that. What I'm really excited about this time around is the launch of Ubuntu Touch, being able to use an open-source OS on my mobile phone.
  - hdevalence 13y ago
    > an open source OS on my mobile phone You can do that now with Firefox OS, and unlike Ubuntu Touch, it's actually developed openly. Ubuntu for phones is open source in the same sense as Android -- developed behind closed doors by a company that doesn't particularly care about community input. If you think that Ubuntu for phones is really going to be any more open than Android, I expect you'll be disappointed.
    - jcastro 13y ago
      - All Ubuntu Touch development happens publicly on a mailing list and in IRC. - All the Ubuntu Touch specs are public and discussed during a public developer summit online. - Daily images and snapshots for everyone - Weekly hangouts with community members and status reports. - Nearly all of the core apps shipping on the image are community contributed. It's nice that you are excited about Firefox OS (me too), but seriously there's no need to go around making things up about another OSS project.
      - hdevalence 13y ago
        > All the Ubuntu Touch specs are public and discussed during a public developer summit online. Interesting. Can you point me to the online discussion of Mir that took place during the first six months of its development? > Nearly all of the core apps shipping on the image are community contributed. ... With a mandatory CLA that allows my open-source contributions to be used under a proprietary license by Canonical. See the detailed explanation here [1] on why this is such a big deal. > seriously there's no need to go around making things up about another OSS project. The irony of hearing that statement going in the other direction after Canonical's handling of the Mir/Wayland debacle is truly precious. My criticism isn't about promoting FFOS, it's about calling Canonical out on their bad behaviour. [1]: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25376.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25376.html
nimeshneema 13y ago
Final Release Link: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ MD5 CheckSums: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/MD5SUMS http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/MD5SUMS
- chmike 13y ago
  Where can the release notes be found ?
  - nimeshneema 13y ago
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes
diminish 13y ago
I'll stick to 12.04 LTS for desktop and server and wait for 14.04 LTS for desktop and server. 9 months support made *.10 releases less exciting, for me somehow.
- thejosh 13y ago
  For my workstation as a web developer, I use Ubuntu with LXDE running the latest releases as it's always nice to have the latest software, if I had to support users I would use 12.04 though. Servers is quite nice with 12.04 though, and that's what they are designed for.
  - rudiger 13y ago
    How does Ubuntu with LXDE compare with Xubuntu (another lightweight desktop environment)?
    - puller 13y ago
      Lubuntu is more lightweight, which will be important for older and lower powered machines (or if speed is a huge deal for you), but certain things might be a bit less polished. You would have to try it to see if it works for you. Xubuntu is a bit more full-featured and can feel somewhat like Gnome 2 did back in the day. But there's no reason you can't install both and try them on any Ubuntu machine, these are really just packages and defaults rather than completely different distros.
      - rjbond3rd 13y ago
        I have grown to really love Lubuntu because it strikes the perfect balance for older laptops. With a few tweaks, can look as beautiful though basic, and it uses RAM and CPU sparingly. To me, it's a different distro because it only comes with the lightweight choices. (I found it very time-consuming to strip down Ubuntu, compared to tweaking Lubuntu upward). The only minor criticism I could have is that it's a lot of work to make a Lubuntu theme from scratch, because of the many components to theme.
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endijs 13y ago
Web is finally refreshed. And release notes are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes
- mkr-hn 13y ago
  The submission might be better linked to this instead.
- qznc 13y ago
  Quite boring for desktop end users. No real changes. That is probably a good thing, since changes in Ubuntu usually means breakage.
  - puller 13y ago
    I don't think you are fair to Ubuntu in this comment. Change in Fedora or Debian Testing usually means breakage. I hear Arch breaks things now and then too. Even Windows breaks things... in all cases, this is avoided by choosing a stable or LTS variant and upgrading less frequently. There aren't that many top tier distributions to choose from, the main choice is how much time you want packages tested before using them. If you want more testing and older packages, use Debian Stable, Ubuntu LTS, Redhat/CentOS... but don't stack the deck against Ubuntu by comparing its fresh distro to other people's LTS distros, compare apples to apples.
  - endijs 13y ago
    On Destkop there is reason to upgrade if you are using stock software and kernel (as I'm). Unity in 13.10 feels more responsive than in 13.04 was. Pretty much everything is bumped to newer versions. Even things in VirtualBox work faster now (13.04 was installing 4.2.10, but 13.10 is installing 4.2.16). Dont know what is the reason for speed gains - Kernel in Ubuntu or newer VirtualBox. One thing to do after upgrade is to disable smart scopes. No reason to share search queries with Canonical. I was hoping that 13.10 will solve my sound problems, but no luck. Just like in 13.04 i hear crackling noises. But those are specifics of my laptop.
Symmetry 13y ago
I was sad to see that the option to swap caps lock and escape was gone (I think I'm blaming GNOME here). But on the other hand I ought to be doing that programaticly in my setup script, so I finally just got around to adding that there. EDIT: I almost decided to switch to Xubuntu, but then I installed xfce, tried it out, and found that they didn't provide that option either. Besides, using xmonad with xfce is much more complicated than with GNOME.
- cmiles74 13y ago
  I call out to setxkbmap to get this done. It should work with any window manager and desktop environment.[0] setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps [0] https://gist.github.com/Spoygg/3122226 https://gist.github.com/Spoygg/3122226
  - djeikyb 13y ago
    Last time I was using Ubuntu+Unity as my main desktop (11.xx), I used `xmodmap` to swap my keys, and found that every so often it'd be reverted. Have you experienced similar problems with this technique?
    - SEMW 13y ago
      IIRC I didn't finding any easy way of making xmodmap settings persist over reboot, so I just took had a script that runs "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" run at startup. (Of course then I switched to xfce on my laptop, which seems to run its own xmodmap command after its run startup scripts or something which overrides them, which is kinda annoying, haven't found a nice way to get around that).
      - oinksoft 13y ago
        Try putting your `xmodmap' command in `~/.xinitrc'. It gets read whenever the X server starts (`startx').
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kh_hk 13y ago
[Related] Kubuntu Linux 13.10 Released https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6565146 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6565146
puller 13y ago
The beta of this has been smooth for me. I had no problems doing the upgrade (but I have used Ubuntu for a while). I am enjoying the newer versions of the kernel and some packages that are key for me. If you use Unity, the dash feels faster. I'm more pleased with this release than several past ones.
saltyknuckles 13y ago
lol Saucy Salamander
nobleach 13y ago
Let me guess. Postgres 9.1, Ruby 1.9.1, PHP 5.3.11, a lot of extremely old packages... Please tell me if I'm wrong! I'm really tired of the software world moving forward and Ubuntu turning into Debian Woody.
- skyebook 13y ago
  The release notes actually say Apache 2.4 and PHP 5.5[1], no mention of Ruby or Postgres though. Postgres runs its own Debian repo[2], by the way :) [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes [2] http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/
  - Tobu 13y ago
    That repo needs a bit of tweaking though: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt/FAQ#I_am_using_a_non-LTS_release_of_Ubuntu https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt/FAQ#I_am_using_a_non-LT...
- endijs 13y ago
  $ php --version PHP 5.5.3-1ubuntu2 (cli) (built: Oct 9 2013 14:49:12) Copyright (c) 1997-2013 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.5.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2013 Zend Technologies with Zend OPcache v7.0.3-dev, Copyright (c) 1999-2013, by Zend Technologies
- benmccann 13y ago
  Yep, Postgres 9.1 and Ruby 1.9.3
- humanrebar 13y ago
  distrowatch has nice table at the bottom of each distro's page: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu php 5.5.3. Postres 9.1.10 Ruby isn't listed, but I usually use rvm, rbenv, or something along those lines. On the plus side, gcc is 4.8.1, which is as up to date as your going to get without installing development builds.
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pacofvf 13y ago
ubuntu-gnome 13.10 now comes with gnome 3.8, I will give it a try.
- Tobu 13y ago
  Which changes shortcuts and removes some keyboard layout customisations, sigh.
  - arunc 13y ago
    and that sucks! KDE and Razor-Qt FTW.
gw 13y ago
I upgraded my 13.04 system this morning and now it is unfortunately unusable. Any time I try to switch users, it consistently brings me to a black screen with a frozen mouse pointer that I cannot get out of, even when hitting Ctrl+Alt+F#. I'm downloading the iso now to try a fresh install.
- leeview 13y ago
  I upgraded today too and I tried to reproduce your bug: mine didn't freeze but it still raised some errors to be reported to Canonical when I switched back to the initial user. OTOH they fixed some bugs in Rhythmbox (playing music from shared folders over network was very buggy and now just works). Also Unity seems snappier and they seem to have fixed some bugs related to pinning applications on the launcher.
- hpaavola 13y ago
  Mine (Asus Zenbook ux31a) doesn't even boot to dekstop anymore with the default kernel. X server just says fatal error, no screens found. Using kernel 3.8 now and things seems to work.
  - deleted 13y ago
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  - hpaavola 13y ago
    And it's a kernel bug: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59841 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59841
- Daishiman 13y ago
  I have always found that continous upgrade eventually break the system. A clean install should be the recommended choice.
  - Theriac25 13y ago
    That's just beyond retarded. I weep when people have been conditioned by Canonical (and Microsoft) to accept this.
simonebrunozzi 13y ago
So, a user (zeis, don't take it personally) publishes a link to the release of Ubuntu 13.10, but he's actually wrong... Despite this, his post gets 188 points of karma (as of know). Now that's what I call a karma system that doesn't work well. I should just post "Ubuntu 14.04 (Taunting Tiger) released" and get my own share of karma...
- hamvocke 13y ago
  Same thing happened on /r/ubuntu as well. It's just plain annoying. This way the real discussion about the new Ubuntu version goes down in the noise of users stating that Saucy hasn't been released yet or doesn't even get started.
rtpg 13y ago
a warning for people using Anthy or other IME's : 13.10 replaces some stuff in the keyboard mechanisms, and the dash eats up a lot more keyboard shortcuts (I can't even get Alt+Shift to work! Alt+Shift!). It's frustrating, I somehow got two random keybindings to work and somehow activated ibus (not in the conventional fashion, which no longer works), but I don't know what I did so can't document it. Frustrating how they can break such an important thing (keyboards)
JSno 13y ago
"Ubuntu 13.10 will only be supported for 9 months. Non-LTS releases prior to Ubuntu 13.04 were supported for 18 months. "
MrMeker 13y ago
I'm installing it as a chroot on my Chromebook, I hope this goes well. Otherwise its sudo delete-chroot unity.
csense 13y ago
The main feature I'm looking forward to is zswap in kernel 3.11 [1]. Basically instead of swapping, the kernel will first compress infrequently used pages in RAM, which is orders of magnitude faster than swapping to disk. The practical effect of this is basically the same as a free RAM upgrade! [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/537422/ https://lwn.net/Articles/537422/
- giovannibajo1 13y ago
  Mavericks has the same feature, curious they're both shipping at the same time
  - yapcguy 13y ago
    I guess we'll never know if Apple engineers were "inspired" by Zram and Zswap Linux development. I don't think anything like this is available in Freebsd yet. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2012-November/004650.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2012-...
    - neilc 13y ago
      There have been countless research papers on this topic, so I doubt it -- http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=dynamic+memory+compression+swap&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=dynamic+memory+com.... Not to mention the fact that RAM compression was quite common back in the DOS/Win95 days: http://oreilly.com/centers/windows/feat/softram/dblscan.html http://oreilly.com/centers/windows/feat/softram/dblscan.html
      - giovannibajo1 13y ago
        Yes, and that's exactly what makes it curious. It's a technology who's always been "known", but no modern operating system has bothered implementing it. Now we got two major OS shipping it at the same time, and I can't even see a correlation with a change of hardware (i.e. i can't see RAM being lately more scarce on PCs or Macs to the point of making this feature more useful than, say, 2 years ago, or 4 years ago, or 6 years ago).
homosaur 13y ago
Can someone explain to me what's different about the Mac and PC versions of 64 bit Ubuntu? I've seen these Mac versions show up lately but what's in them? I can't find the data clearly on the website. Is it just different drivers and defaults?
- AlexanderDhoore 13y ago
  "Unfortunately, even though Macs use a variant of EFI (an earlier version of what's now called UEFI), they apparently can't cope with multi-catalog CDs, and simply refuse to boot them. This left us in rather a quandary: we needed to support UEFI systems, but we didn't want to drop support for Macs either. I therefore created the amd64+mac CD images, which are exactly the same as the amd64 images except that they only support BIOS booting. Macs are happy to boot these in their BIOS emulation mode." [1] TL;DR There is no difference... Normal CDs just won't boot on Macs. [1] http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about...
  - homosaur 13y ago
    OHHHHHHH bootable. I'd never actually tried that as I've always installed in a VM. Now that makes sense as to why the Mac version wouldn't work when I tried it in a VM.
shurcooL 13y ago
Does this support touch input well? What would the experience be like if you were to install it on a Windows 8 tablet, like Acer Iconia W3, Surface Pro or others?
rohu1990 13y ago
Any one managed to get Ubuntu 13.10 on mac book air with Haswell processor ? Any better result for the graphics support on haswell ? I was hoping to buy one of these if I could run ubuntu 13.10 without much problems.
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arbutus 13y ago
Here's some ideas for names for the next release: Tenacious Turkey Threadbare Thrush Tailles Tenrec Tailful Tenrec Thorny Thorny Devil Timely Tarantula Titilating Titmouse

324 points by zeis 13y ago

rlpb 13y ago

No, it's not released. The release is imminent. Ubuntu is developed in the open, so you get to see candidate release images on the page linked. Ubuntu is not released until the release is announced. If you're in doubt, expect to see an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing list, or its archive at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ Also see #ubuntu-release-party on Freenode. At the moment, the topic says "... No, it's not out yet | No, we don't have a set time for release" (written as of Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:55:59 +0000; obviously this post will become incorrect as soon as it actually is released)

RossM 13y ago
Agree, this is probably premature. However the homepage does advertise 13.10 so it's probably imminent: > Ubuntu Server 13.10 with OpenStack Havana, are you ready?
kintamanimatt 13y ago
This is the release. These aren't candidate release images. They're just likely waiting until 13:10 GMT to officially announce it. I believe 13.04 was released at 13:04 too.
- jessaustin 13y ago
  Every time, these releases get later and later!
  - samspenc 13y ago
    I wonder what they will do after 23.10 . :D
    - Touche 13y ago
      They'll be closed source by then so it won't matter.
      - rlpb 13y ago
        "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be." --http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy From that page, it is clear that Ubuntu uses the FSF definition of "free" (and quotes it). The suggestion that Ubuntu will be closed source in the future is FUD. Everything that Canonical ships in Ubuntu is open source with an open bug tracker and open version control. (with the exception of proprietary drivers and Flash, etc, written outside the project, done for pragmatic reasons and optional with a clear option at installation time; this stuff has not increased but reduced in scope with things like nouveau available now).
rlpb 13y ago
Now it's out. [Edit] Actual release announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-October/000177.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-Octob...
chatman 13y ago
> Ubuntu is developed in the open Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and upstream contributions.
- Flimm 13y ago
  Of course it's not developed 100% entirely in the open and with "spirit of community". Name one company that meets this standard.
  - zxcdw 13y ago
    Mozilla.
    - throwaway2048 13y ago
      Mozilla's bugzilla and mailing lists are approved posts only, that's not very open.
      - simonster 13y ago
        Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.
        throwaway2048 13y ago
        Approved as in the posts need to be OK'd by a mod before being shown. And yes, they do censor heavily, try posting a well reasoned complaint about australis for instance and watch your mail not get approved.
        simonster 13y ago
        If the posts have to be approved by mods, they're not doing a very good job: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/RyXSTjJVG3M https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.fir... https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/COAb99w8H6U https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform... On another project I'm involved in, I've seen Google Groups decide that legitimate posts are spam. Not sure if that's what's happening here, but it's a possibility.
yapcguy 13y ago
Did anybody notice the zsync download links, next to the Torrent links? Anybody have experience with zsync downloads? Is it supposed to update a previous 13.10 Beta ISO, or any previous ISO, e.g. the 13.04 release? http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ Also, I wonder why they don't use magnet links instead of torrent files.
- jablan 13y ago
  zsync can update any file, even an empty one (just rename it to the target file name). However, I am not sure how much you would actually save by using older ISOs.

routelastresort 13y ago

Releases link is live: http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/ http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/

abrowne 13y ago
Xubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/
- username42 13y ago
  ubuntu-gnome http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/release/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/releas...

josteink 13y ago

Same day as Windows 8.1 hits the market. [1] Wonder which one will get most press coverage :) [1] http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/17/windows-8-1-now-available-to-download/?ncid=rss_truncated http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/17/windows-8-1-now-available...

baldfat 13y ago

Ubuntu is not going the direction I want for "my Linux. 1. Mir is a huge mistake (My opinion) 2. Unity (Well I am tiled window manager (i3) guy now so all DEs) I really don't like the flow of OS X and it is starting to really look more like OS X. DEFAULT an easily be changed. 3. Lack of community between the Linux ecosystem. Millions is spent on Ubuntu but seems like little makes it upstream. 4. Software Center. They need to just take OpenSUSE's one-click model and get rid of their current model of App Store and the horrible app model. (My model) 5. Their Developer SDK to "Write once, run everywhere." If I had a nickel for every time that was promised (Java looking at you) Once again OpenSUSE Build Service is the most underused Linux tool in the last decade https://build.opensuse.org/ https://build.opensuse.org/ Build it there and also build packages for other Distros also. Now after my list I have Ubuntu running my home server right now and well it is solid. I use OpenSUSE at work and Arch Linux on my tiny laptop and like those experiences more. People need to look at OpenSUSE again!

0x006A 13y ago
can you use obs to build packages straight from git? Tarball based build workflows seam rather outdated to me.
- halfasleep 13y ago
  Yeah, you can. The functionality is called "services". I'm not sure how auto-versioning would work with git though. I have packages building from SVN, and OBS updates the spec file automagically to set the version to the SVN revision.
  - tacticus 13y ago
    Git describe is what you want. it will take the nearest tag name and use that as the version with the number of commits from that tag as the release value.
frank_boyd 13y ago
> People need to look at OpenSUSE again! Isn't it really beautiful that we actually can do this, now? We can switch platforms within the same day - without real hassle or pain. I mean tell a Windows or Apple user that they need to look at something else, and guess what their answer will be...

talles 13y ago

Is it shipped with Mir? Their what's new page is kinda succinct: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html

insertnickname 13y ago
No
Sirenos 13y ago
Mir isn't yet ready for prime time. I wonder if they're planning an LTS launch for it. Won't be too good if that happens.
baldfat 13y ago
Mir is not ready. The next release is suppose to be a LTS which is scary. My prediction: LTS will be 14.10 and Mir will be default in 14.04.
- jebblue 13y ago
  Usually the .04 release is LTS every two years, if they change that it will be a bit confusing, hope they don' do that.
bkor 13y ago
Mir is only planned for 14.10. They were planning Xmir for 13.10, but that has been delayed until 14.04. I think they're underestimating the amount of work that is needed for a pure Mir environment (without X handling everything via Xmir). A lot in Mir is pretty similar as in Wayland. I don't see how they'll offer the same features as X has without Xmir quicker than Wayland. Look at the amount of missing things in the GNOME Wayland technical preview. Adding an additional layer on top of X is one thing, but replacing X means a lot of work. Latest thing is getting accessibility right, which GNOME is working upon.
jcastro 13y ago
Mir is partially shipped, it's on the Touch (Phone) images.

abbot2 13y ago

To be honest "what's new" page looks, well, not very convincing: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html

frank_boyd 13y ago
It's a bit sparse maybe. And as "early" adopters, we probably don't care about the social crap etc. But as long as I can yank those packages whenever I want, I'm fine with that. What I'm really excited about this time around is the launch of Ubuntu Touch, being able to use an open-source OS on my mobile phone.
- hdevalence 13y ago
  > an open source OS on my mobile phone You can do that now with Firefox OS, and unlike Ubuntu Touch, it's actually developed openly. Ubuntu for phones is open source in the same sense as Android -- developed behind closed doors by a company that doesn't particularly care about community input. If you think that Ubuntu for phones is really going to be any more open than Android, I expect you'll be disappointed.
  - jcastro 13y ago
    - All Ubuntu Touch development happens publicly on a mailing list and in IRC. - All the Ubuntu Touch specs are public and discussed during a public developer summit online. - Daily images and snapshots for everyone - Weekly hangouts with community members and status reports. - Nearly all of the core apps shipping on the image are community contributed. It's nice that you are excited about Firefox OS (me too), but seriously there's no need to go around making things up about another OSS project.
    - hdevalence 13y ago
      > All the Ubuntu Touch specs are public and discussed during a public developer summit online. Interesting. Can you point me to the online discussion of Mir that took place during the first six months of its development? > Nearly all of the core apps shipping on the image are community contributed. ... With a mandatory CLA that allows my open-source contributions to be used under a proprietary license by Canonical. See the detailed explanation here [1] on why this is such a big deal. > seriously there's no need to go around making things up about another OSS project. The irony of hearing that statement going in the other direction after Canonical's handling of the Mir/Wayland debacle is truly precious. My criticism isn't about promoting FFOS, it's about calling Canonical out on their bad behaviour. [1]: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25376.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25376.html

nimeshneema 13y ago

Final Release Link: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ MD5 CheckSums: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/MD5SUMS http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/MD5SUMS

chmike 13y ago
Where can the release notes be found ?
- nimeshneema 13y ago
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes

diminish 13y ago

I'll stick to 12.04 LTS for desktop and server and wait for 14.04 LTS for desktop and server. 9 months support made *.10 releases less exciting, for me somehow.

thejosh 13y ago
For my workstation as a web developer, I use Ubuntu with LXDE running the latest releases as it's always nice to have the latest software, if I had to support users I would use 12.04 though. Servers is quite nice with 12.04 though, and that's what they are designed for.
- rudiger 13y ago
  How does Ubuntu with LXDE compare with Xubuntu (another lightweight desktop environment)?
  - puller 13y ago
    Lubuntu is more lightweight, which will be important for older and lower powered machines (or if speed is a huge deal for you), but certain things might be a bit less polished. You would have to try it to see if it works for you. Xubuntu is a bit more full-featured and can feel somewhat like Gnome 2 did back in the day. But there's no reason you can't install both and try them on any Ubuntu machine, these are really just packages and defaults rather than completely different distros.
    - rjbond3rd 13y ago
      I have grown to really love Lubuntu because it strikes the perfect balance for older laptops. With a few tweaks, can look as beautiful though basic, and it uses RAM and CPU sparingly. To me, it's a different distro because it only comes with the lightweight choices. (I found it very time-consuming to strip down Ubuntu, compared to tweaking Lubuntu upward). The only minor criticism I could have is that it's a lot of work to make a Lubuntu theme from scratch, because of the many components to theme.
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endijs 13y ago

Web is finally refreshed. And release notes are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes

mkr-hn 13y ago
The submission might be better linked to this instead.
qznc 13y ago
Quite boring for desktop end users. No real changes. That is probably a good thing, since changes in Ubuntu usually means breakage.
- puller 13y ago
  I don't think you are fair to Ubuntu in this comment. Change in Fedora or Debian Testing usually means breakage. I hear Arch breaks things now and then too. Even Windows breaks things... in all cases, this is avoided by choosing a stable or LTS variant and upgrading less frequently. There aren't that many top tier distributions to choose from, the main choice is how much time you want packages tested before using them. If you want more testing and older packages, use Debian Stable, Ubuntu LTS, Redhat/CentOS... but don't stack the deck against Ubuntu by comparing its fresh distro to other people's LTS distros, compare apples to apples.
- endijs 13y ago
  On Destkop there is reason to upgrade if you are using stock software and kernel (as I'm). Unity in 13.10 feels more responsive than in 13.04 was. Pretty much everything is bumped to newer versions. Even things in VirtualBox work faster now (13.04 was installing 4.2.10, but 13.10 is installing 4.2.16). Dont know what is the reason for speed gains - Kernel in Ubuntu or newer VirtualBox. One thing to do after upgrade is to disable smart scopes. No reason to share search queries with Canonical. I was hoping that 13.10 will solve my sound problems, but no luck. Just like in 13.04 i hear crackling noises. But those are specifics of my laptop.

Symmetry 13y ago

I was sad to see that the option to swap caps lock and escape was gone (I think I'm blaming GNOME here). But on the other hand I ought to be doing that programaticly in my setup script, so I finally just got around to adding that there. EDIT: I almost decided to switch to Xubuntu, but then I installed xfce, tried it out, and found that they didn't provide that option either. Besides, using xmonad with xfce is much more complicated than with GNOME.

cmiles74 13y ago
I call out to setxkbmap to get this done. It should work with any window manager and desktop environment.[0] setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps [0] https://gist.github.com/Spoygg/3122226 https://gist.github.com/Spoygg/3122226
- djeikyb 13y ago
  Last time I was using Ubuntu+Unity as my main desktop (11.xx), I used `xmodmap` to swap my keys, and found that every so often it'd be reverted. Have you experienced similar problems with this technique?
  - SEMW 13y ago
    IIRC I didn't finding any easy way of making xmodmap settings persist over reboot, so I just took had a script that runs "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" run at startup. (Of course then I switched to xfce on my laptop, which seems to run its own xmodmap command after its run startup scripts or something which overrides them, which is kinda annoying, haven't found a nice way to get around that).
    - oinksoft 13y ago
      Try putting your `xmodmap' command in `~/.xinitrc'. It gets read whenever the X server starts (`startx').
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kh_hk 13y ago

[Related] Kubuntu Linux 13.10 Released https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6565146 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6565146

puller 13y ago

The beta of this has been smooth for me. I had no problems doing the upgrade (but I have used Ubuntu for a while). I am enjoying the newer versions of the kernel and some packages that are key for me. If you use Unity, the dash feels faster. I'm more pleased with this release than several past ones.

saltyknuckles 13y ago

lol Saucy Salamander

nobleach 13y ago

Let me guess. Postgres 9.1, Ruby 1.9.1, PHP 5.3.11, a lot of extremely old packages... Please tell me if I'm wrong! I'm really tired of the software world moving forward and Ubuntu turning into Debian Woody.

skyebook 13y ago
The release notes actually say Apache 2.4 and PHP 5.5[1], no mention of Ruby or Postgres though. Postgres runs its own Debian repo[2], by the way :) [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes [2] http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/
- Tobu 13y ago
  That repo needs a bit of tweaking though: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt/FAQ#I_am_using_a_non-LTS_release_of_Ubuntu https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt/FAQ#I_am_using_a_non-LT...
endijs 13y ago
$ php --version PHP 5.5.3-1ubuntu2 (cli) (built: Oct 9 2013 14:49:12) Copyright (c) 1997-2013 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.5.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2013 Zend Technologies with Zend OPcache v7.0.3-dev, Copyright (c) 1999-2013, by Zend Technologies
benmccann 13y ago
Yep, Postgres 9.1 and Ruby 1.9.3
humanrebar 13y ago
distrowatch has nice table at the bottom of each distro's page: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu php 5.5.3. Postres 9.1.10 Ruby isn't listed, but I usually use rvm, rbenv, or something along those lines. On the plus side, gcc is 4.8.1, which is as up to date as your going to get without installing development builds.
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pacofvf 13y ago

ubuntu-gnome 13.10 now comes with gnome 3.8, I will give it a try.

Tobu 13y ago
Which changes shortcuts and removes some keyboard layout customisations, sigh.
- arunc 13y ago
  and that sucks! KDE and Razor-Qt FTW.

gw 13y ago

I upgraded my 13.04 system this morning and now it is unfortunately unusable. Any time I try to switch users, it consistently brings me to a black screen with a frozen mouse pointer that I cannot get out of, even when hitting Ctrl+Alt+F#. I'm downloading the iso now to try a fresh install.

leeview 13y ago
I upgraded today too and I tried to reproduce your bug: mine didn't freeze but it still raised some errors to be reported to Canonical when I switched back to the initial user. OTOH they fixed some bugs in Rhythmbox (playing music from shared folders over network was very buggy and now just works). Also Unity seems snappier and they seem to have fixed some bugs related to pinning applications on the launcher.
hpaavola 13y ago
Mine (Asus Zenbook ux31a) doesn't even boot to dekstop anymore with the default kernel. X server just says fatal error, no screens found. Using kernel 3.8 now and things seems to work.
- deleted 13y ago
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- hpaavola 13y ago
  And it's a kernel bug: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59841 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59841
Daishiman 13y ago
I have always found that continous upgrade eventually break the system. A clean install should be the recommended choice.
- Theriac25 13y ago
  That's just beyond retarded. I weep when people have been conditioned by Canonical (and Microsoft) to accept this.

simonebrunozzi 13y ago

So, a user (zeis, don't take it personally) publishes a link to the release of Ubuntu 13.10, but he's actually wrong... Despite this, his post gets 188 points of karma (as of know). Now that's what I call a karma system that doesn't work well. I should just post "Ubuntu 14.04 (Taunting Tiger) released" and get my own share of karma...

hamvocke 13y ago
Same thing happened on /r/ubuntu as well. It's just plain annoying. This way the real discussion about the new Ubuntu version goes down in the noise of users stating that Saucy hasn't been released yet or doesn't even get started.

rtpg 13y ago

a warning for people using Anthy or other IME's : 13.10 replaces some stuff in the keyboard mechanisms, and the dash eats up a lot more keyboard shortcuts (I can't even get Alt+Shift to work! Alt+Shift!). It's frustrating, I somehow got two random keybindings to work and somehow activated ibus (not in the conventional fashion, which no longer works), but I don't know what I did so can't document it. Frustrating how they can break such an important thing (keyboards)

JSno 13y ago

"Ubuntu 13.10 will only be supported for 9 months. Non-LTS releases prior to Ubuntu 13.04 were supported for 18 months. "

MrMeker 13y ago

I'm installing it as a chroot on my Chromebook, I hope this goes well. Otherwise its sudo delete-chroot unity.

csense 13y ago

The main feature I'm looking forward to is zswap in kernel 3.11 [1]. Basically instead of swapping, the kernel will first compress infrequently used pages in RAM, which is orders of magnitude faster than swapping to disk. The practical effect of this is basically the same as a free RAM upgrade! [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/537422/ https://lwn.net/Articles/537422/

giovannibajo1 13y ago
Mavericks has the same feature, curious they're both shipping at the same time
- yapcguy 13y ago
  I guess we'll never know if Apple engineers were "inspired" by Zram and Zswap Linux development. I don't think anything like this is available in Freebsd yet. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2012-November/004650.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2012-...
  - neilc 13y ago
    There have been countless research papers on this topic, so I doubt it -- http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=dynamic+memory+compression+swap&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=dynamic+memory+com.... Not to mention the fact that RAM compression was quite common back in the DOS/Win95 days: http://oreilly.com/centers/windows/feat/softram/dblscan.html http://oreilly.com/centers/windows/feat/softram/dblscan.html
    - giovannibajo1 13y ago
      Yes, and that's exactly what makes it curious. It's a technology who's always been "known", but no modern operating system has bothered implementing it. Now we got two major OS shipping it at the same time, and I can't even see a correlation with a change of hardware (i.e. i can't see RAM being lately more scarce on PCs or Macs to the point of making this feature more useful than, say, 2 years ago, or 4 years ago, or 6 years ago).

homosaur 13y ago

Can someone explain to me what's different about the Mac and PC versions of 64 bit Ubuntu? I've seen these Mac versions show up lately but what's in them? I can't find the data clearly on the website. Is it just different drivers and defaults?

AlexanderDhoore 13y ago
"Unfortunately, even though Macs use a variant of EFI (an earlier version of what's now called UEFI), they apparently can't cope with multi-catalog CDs, and simply refuse to boot them. This left us in rather a quandary: we needed to support UEFI systems, but we didn't want to drop support for Macs either. I therefore created the amd64+mac CD images, which are exactly the same as the amd64 images except that they only support BIOS booting. Macs are happy to boot these in their BIOS emulation mode." [1] TL;DR There is no difference... Normal CDs just won't boot on Macs. [1] http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about...
- homosaur 13y ago
  OHHHHHHH bootable. I'd never actually tried that as I've always installed in a VM. Now that makes sense as to why the Mac version wouldn't work when I tried it in a VM.

shurcooL 13y ago

Does this support touch input well? What would the experience be like if you were to install it on a Windows 8 tablet, like Acer Iconia W3, Surface Pro or others?

rohu1990 13y ago

Any one managed to get Ubuntu 13.10 on mac book air with Haswell processor ? Any better result for the graphics support on haswell ? I was hoping to buy one of these if I could run ubuntu 13.10 without much problems.

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arbutus 13y ago

Here's some ideas for names for the next release: Tenacious Turkey Threadbare Thrush Tailles Tenrec Tailful Tenrec Thorny Thorny Devil Timely Tarantula Titilating Titmouse