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Bloomberg has a good rebuttal about the measurements used in this "study": http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-10/just-how-rich-are-russia-s-billionaires-.htm

by AJ007 13y ago

Bloomberg has a good rebuttal about the measurements used in this "study": http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-10/just-how-rich-are-russia-s-billionaires-.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-10/just-how-rich-are-r... Additionally Russia's gini coefficient (income rather than wealth) puts the US as more unequal than Russia.

adventured 13y ago
Perfect income equality is not an ideal, it's a marxist fraud used as ideological cover while the elites keep the "proletariat" held in intense but semi-equal poverty. You should not get paid the same thing for different work. If I work twice as hard as you at the same task, you should not make as much as I do.
- rplacd 13y ago
  Complete income inequality isn't even orthodox Marx - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" goes the standard quote by Marx; but that was his study of a specific utopia. (The rest of the cited work in fact goes on to rip its jaws into a transitional programme wrought out of "effective politicking" - pointed stuff.) The official CPSU line was then "To each according to his contribution" in the "transitional" period - through Trotsky and Lenin; so goes the degeneration. I wonder how long it then took to get to imposed equality.
- james1071 13y ago
  You could move some of the words around and it would make just as much sense.
- e12e 13y ago
  > If I work twice as hard as you at the same task, you should not make as much as I do. If you're struggling to program something and I do it easily, you should be compensated for your incompetence? Work shouldn't be defined by effort but by results -- and that isn't always reasonable to quantify (which would be needed if it was to be the basis of a (fair) reward system). I agree that "perfect equality" isn't an ideal (in pretty much anything). I do thing equal opportunity is a worthy goal, though.
  - buckwheatloaf 13y ago
    you just haaaaad to bring up programming skills, didn't you. FINE. but it's not always programming that gets things done. sometimes its the determination in your veins not the dexterity of your mind that counts for the most. remember that.. remember that.
    - e12e 13y ago
      I'm sure even Ford would agree that working smart trumps working "hard" most of the time...
- Sagat 13y ago
  Why use the word "should"? Nobody is entitled to anything in our world. Working hard is not valuable in itself. The only reason it is encouraged is that it has the potential to bring about positive results. A world where people are rewarded based on how much they "tried" or worked would be highly dysfunctional. There is no moral basis on which to justify rewards without results.

by AJ007 13y ago

adventured 13y ago

Perfect income equality is not an ideal, it's a marxist fraud used as ideological cover while the elites keep the "proletariat" held in intense but semi-equal poverty. You should not get paid the same thing for different work. If I work twice as hard as you at the same task, you should not make as much as I do.

rplacd 13y ago
Complete income inequality isn't even orthodox Marx - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" goes the standard quote by Marx; but that was his study of a specific utopia. (The rest of the cited work in fact goes on to rip its jaws into a transitional programme wrought out of "effective politicking" - pointed stuff.) The official CPSU line was then "To each according to his contribution" in the "transitional" period - through Trotsky and Lenin; so goes the degeneration. I wonder how long it then took to get to imposed equality.
james1071 13y ago
You could move some of the words around and it would make just as much sense.
e12e 13y ago
> If I work twice as hard as you at the same task, you should not make as much as I do. If you're struggling to program something and I do it easily, you should be compensated for your incompetence? Work shouldn't be defined by effort but by results -- and that isn't always reasonable to quantify (which would be needed if it was to be the basis of a (fair) reward system). I agree that "perfect equality" isn't an ideal (in pretty much anything). I do thing equal opportunity is a worthy goal, though.
- buckwheatloaf 13y ago
  you just haaaaad to bring up programming skills, didn't you. FINE. but it's not always programming that gets things done. sometimes its the determination in your veins not the dexterity of your mind that counts for the most. remember that.. remember that.
  - e12e 13y ago
    I'm sure even Ford would agree that working smart trumps working "hard" most of the time...
Sagat 13y ago
Why use the word "should"? Nobody is entitled to anything in our world. Working hard is not valuable in itself. The only reason it is encouraged is that it has the potential to bring about positive results. A world where people are rewarded based on how much they "tried" or worked would be highly dysfunctional. There is no moral basis on which to justify rewards without results.