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Yea, I also noticed that, save for the pages with tons of images, firefox has actually been better than chrome in that respect for the last few releases. Now wi

by aktau 13y ago

Yea, I also noticed that, save for the pages with tons of images, firefox has actually been better than chrome in that respect for the last few releases. Now with this fix, I'm seriously thinking of jumping back. Then I'll finally have my sweet DownThemAll again. Many kudos to the firefox devs, performance and memory-usage is very important, and it seems they realized that before it was too late. Even with my 16GB I'd really like to run an extra VM for development as opposed to letting my browser gobble it all up.

patrickaljord 13y ago
isn't 16GB enough to run an extra VM for dev? also, try docker.
- aktau 13y ago
  Not when most of that 16GB is in use. At the moment, chrome is using up 3.4GB. Yea, I have a lot of tabs open. Yes, I should work on that. Yes, I'd also like being able to open that many tabs and have my browser perhaps release some of that memory and just reclaim it when I open the tab for reading again. Docker is real nice, although I might go for pure LXC the nex time I build something. But I'm developing on OSX (as many of us, I believe). So _not_ running a VM is not really possible here. I deploy on Linux, and like to have my environment very consistent, hence the VM. Granted, with Docker/LXC I could probably get by with just one VM and a lot of little apps running side-by-side, but that's not how my current setup and projects work, yet. At any rate, less memory used by browser is more memory for me, to use any way I want. I already love the firefox behaviour that when it restores your tabs, it doesn't actually load them until you click on them. Awesome startup speed improvement.
  - gamache 13y ago
    I'd also like being able to open that many tabs and have my browser perhaps release some of that memory and just reclaim it when I open the tab for reading again. Chromebooks do a great job of this -- inactive tabs are often freed when memory is needed elsewhere, and reloaded as necessary. I wonder if that feature is going to come to Chrome outside of ChromeOS.
    - jordanthoms 13y ago
      That's also done on Chrome for Android.
      - staktrace 13y ago
        And Firefox for Android.
- darkarmani 13y ago
  Did docker add Windows and Darwin support already? Wow, they are really moving fast.
  - darkarmani 13y ago
    The joke being that Docker requires LXC and aufs, which means you are stuck running Ubuntu for now. Fedora is soon going to announce Docker support when 0.7 is released. For now if you want to run docker on your Mac, the best bet is to use Vagrant + virtualbox (or fusion if you have the provider). This means you have to run another VM to run docker which defeats the purpose of the suggestion of running Docker, so you don't have to run another VM instance.
    - outworlder 13y ago
      Yes. But then, you can run a single VM with any number of Docker containers inside. Depending on what you are doing, that could be a win.
    - ritonlajoie 13y ago
      if you are running one docker per VM, you are probably doing something wrong :)
Peaker 13y ago
Last I tried Firefox, pretty recently, it still needed to address some serious issues, when compared to Chrome: * Unresponsiveness due to one tab thrashing * Bad use of screen-space (bookmarks always visible, cannot disappear titlebar like in Chrome [there's only a Windows extension for that], menu-bar takes up another bar of space by default) * Launching firefox has stop-the-world behavior to check/update extensions -- interrupting your flow when you need your browser most * Some extensions still require restarts These are the ones I remember off the top of my mind, I'm sure there were more... I really tried going back to Firefox, but the cumulative pain of all of these made me go back to Chrome.
- viraptor 13y ago
  > bookmarks always visible, View -> toolbars -> bookmarks toolbar (uncheck) > menu-bar takes up another bar of space by default View -> toolbars -> menu bar (uncheck)
  - Peaker 13y ago
    But that means my bookmarks disappear completely, whereas in Chrome they are displayed in new tabs, which is far more useful behavior.
    - abrowne 13y ago
      You can also move the bookmarks toolbar items to the address bar.
    - deleted 13y ago
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  - deleted 13y ago
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- mytrash 13y ago
  Note: http://i.imgur.com/DVWCxty.png http://i.imgur.com/DVWCxty.png Tree style tab. and Nav on title bar. Lots of vertical pixels available.
zobzu 13y ago
im using windows and the regular firefox (so it doesnt have this fix) and i notice that chromium always scrolls a lot slower than firefox anyway. which annoys me hehe.
- anotherbadlogin 13y ago
  "im"? And what happened to your Shift keys?

by aktau 13y ago

patrickaljord 13y ago

isn't 16GB enough to run an extra VM for dev? also, try docker.

aktau 13y ago
Not when most of that 16GB is in use. At the moment, chrome is using up 3.4GB. Yea, I have a lot of tabs open. Yes, I should work on that. Yes, I'd also like being able to open that many tabs and have my browser perhaps release some of that memory and just reclaim it when I open the tab for reading again. Docker is real nice, although I might go for pure LXC the nex time I build something. But I'm developing on OSX (as many of us, I believe). So _not_ running a VM is not really possible here. I deploy on Linux, and like to have my environment very consistent, hence the VM. Granted, with Docker/LXC I could probably get by with just one VM and a lot of little apps running side-by-side, but that's not how my current setup and projects work, yet. At any rate, less memory used by browser is more memory for me, to use any way I want. I already love the firefox behaviour that when it restores your tabs, it doesn't actually load them until you click on them. Awesome startup speed improvement.
- gamache 13y ago
  I'd also like being able to open that many tabs and have my browser perhaps release some of that memory and just reclaim it when I open the tab for reading again. Chromebooks do a great job of this -- inactive tabs are often freed when memory is needed elsewhere, and reloaded as necessary. I wonder if that feature is going to come to Chrome outside of ChromeOS.
  - jordanthoms 13y ago
    That's also done on Chrome for Android.
    - staktrace 13y ago
      And Firefox for Android.
darkarmani 13y ago
Did docker add Windows and Darwin support already? Wow, they are really moving fast.
- darkarmani 13y ago
  The joke being that Docker requires LXC and aufs, which means you are stuck running Ubuntu for now. Fedora is soon going to announce Docker support when 0.7 is released. For now if you want to run docker on your Mac, the best bet is to use Vagrant + virtualbox (or fusion if you have the provider). This means you have to run another VM to run docker which defeats the purpose of the suggestion of running Docker, so you don't have to run another VM instance.
  - outworlder 13y ago
    Yes. But then, you can run a single VM with any number of Docker containers inside. Depending on what you are doing, that could be a win.
  - ritonlajoie 13y ago
    if you are running one docker per VM, you are probably doing something wrong :)

Peaker 13y ago

Last I tried Firefox, pretty recently, it still needed to address some serious issues, when compared to Chrome: * Unresponsiveness due to one tab thrashing * Bad use of screen-space (bookmarks always visible, cannot disappear titlebar like in Chrome [there's only a Windows extension for that], menu-bar takes up another bar of space by default) * Launching firefox has stop-the-world behavior to check/update extensions -- interrupting your flow when you need your browser most * Some extensions still require restarts These are the ones I remember off the top of my mind, I'm sure there were more... I really tried going back to Firefox, but the cumulative pain of all of these made me go back to Chrome.

viraptor 13y ago
> bookmarks always visible, View -> toolbars -> bookmarks toolbar (uncheck) > menu-bar takes up another bar of space by default View -> toolbars -> menu bar (uncheck)
- Peaker 13y ago
  But that means my bookmarks disappear completely, whereas in Chrome they are displayed in new tabs, which is far more useful behavior.
  - abrowne 13y ago
    You can also move the bookmarks toolbar items to the address bar.
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
mytrash 13y ago
Note: http://i.imgur.com/DVWCxty.png http://i.imgur.com/DVWCxty.png Tree style tab. and Nav on title bar. Lots of vertical pixels available.

zobzu 13y ago

im using windows and the regular firefox (so it doesnt have this fix) and i notice that chromium always scrolls a lot slower than firefox anyway. which annoys me hehe.

anotherbadlogin 13y ago
"im"? And what happened to your Shift keys?