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Google itself doesn't scare me; it is really just team vs. team. I think we've got the best product and engineering expertise for this market. Clearly I'm bias
by tumultco 13y ago
Google itself doesn't scare me; it is really just team vs. team. I think we've got the best product and engineering expertise for this market. Clearly I'm biased :) so I'd encourage anyone to try Tumult Hype and let us know your thoughts (we've got a fully functional 14-day trial on the site).
While Google hasn't announced pricing, it is probably safe to say it is going to be free. This is a business for us, so we charge $29.99. I don't like competing against free, but that just means we'll be continually pushed to provide that much more value!
- svtiger 13y agoKeep up the good work! From first glance your product seems to have superior functionality and usability. So I'd gladly pay for ease of use alone.
- edraferi 13y agoGreat attitude. Best of luck!
- beernutz 13y agoI would love to check out your product, but it only runs on OSX. You might consider a port to drastically expand your potential client base. Google's free offering is cross platform already.
- alanh 13y ago“Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. And, I guess, most of the marketers, too.
- lostsock 13y agoWow really? Where (in what bubble) do you live?
- taftster 13y agoI'm guessing the bubble called Silicon Valley. They tend to have a fairly skewed view of the world there.
- sneak 13y agoThe one where the vast majority of web developers live.
- debaserab2 13y ago> the vast majority You're actually discounting the entire world outside of SV right now?
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- kamjam 13y agoThere's this entire platform of users who develop in a magical language called C# and run entirely on Microsoft platform. It might just catch on and get quite popular. The Microsoft world might also be used by large corporations, who also happen to have lots of money, with which you can buy things like software. (There's also these other platforms based on *nix, but meh :-p)
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- laureny 13y ago> “Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. I'm guessing most (all?) the developers you know work in the US? Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest of the world. Trying to sell an app competing against a free product from Google is already challenging enough, you should seriously consider the original advice and extend your tool to work on Windows as well.
- nadnerb 13y agoBy 'rest of the world' you must be discounting Australia then ;)
- sjwright 13y agoAs an Australian, I've always thought of our country as the real-world embodiment of what Americans believe when they think of their own country...
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoI visited Bali once and as an American, had an identity crisis looking in the mirror at all the Australian tourists.
- rimantas 13y ago> Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest > of the world. I guess you dont't live in the rest of the world. I am from a small exUSSR country in the Europe and while I would not claim majority for OS X but to claim that it is nonexistent is very wrong. My last company (Java/PHP/Frontend) was Mac-only. In the current company the majority is on Macs (that includes Android and WP developers).
- digitalengineer 13y agoDutchman here. Most designers use MacOsX here. Developers go with Windows. Design-savy or iOS developers use both.
- kayoone 13y agoIn some circles yes, but theres alot of web developers that are still on Windows for whatever reason. I am from Germany and people here are less prone to brand marketing and i still see quite alot of people using Windows, even people i highly respect for their skills. Im mainly talking about coders though, not designers.
- Kesty 13y agoReasons range from: 1) Big corporations don't like to overspend on PC hardware and can have great deals with anyone but Apple. 2) A company that work mostly on Windows platform (.Net, MSSql) 4) As weird as it sound some people might actually not like OSX.
- garethadams 13y agoI assume this was numbered as a bitmask so people can represent their choices as a single integer?
- beernutz 13y agoI will say here, that I am one of those people that do not like OSX. My main issues are getting it to behave with the muscle memory I have developed over years of use with windows and linux machines. Home and End key behavior, actually quitting an application when closed, full-screen apps (though I understand this is fixed in recent OSX builds), and other minor annoyances keep me from fully embracing OSX. I understand that these are personal preferences, and not problems with OSX for the most part. On the other hand, I REALLY like the idea of an app and all its dependencies being installed all in one folder. That REALLY needs to happen everywhere. This would make migration between installs SO much easier, and would eliminate DLL hell (or shared library hell in the case of linux). Just my 2cents
- kayoone 13y agoExactly my thoughts. I use OSX alot for different reasons but i still think i am more productive on Windows/Linux. Keyboard shortcuts and behaviour is consistent as opposed to OSX where its kind of a pain. I also dont like the dock, i like to have a taskbar with the open windows on each of my monitors which is no problem in Windows and Linux. I dont like the Menubar stuck on the main monitor. As a web developer i really like the unix base of OSX for different reaons though and i need to use some software for game dev (Unity3D) which isnt available on Linux. But i thought about running Windows for game dev/office stuff and Linux in a VM for web development.
- easytiger 13y ago> The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. That's what we call a filter bubble
- NicoJuicy 13y agoActually, here in Europe, MAC doesn't seem that popular. Most of the people i know just use Windows (Belgium)
- asdasf 13y agoAnd literally zero of the web developers and designers I know use OS X. This is why a single person's social circle isn't a useful indicator of global marketshare.
- shrikant 13y agoIt doesn't say anything about Linux, but I guess more than one platform is technically "cross platform" :(
- bromagosa 13y agoYep, and I hate it when they use "PC" as a synonym for Microsoft Windows. I do have a PC!
- ekianjo 13y agoYeah, and a Mac is a PC, internally speaking too. So, it should OS based : OSX, Windows. This, coming from the number 1 tech company in the world. Kinda disappointing.
- cdcarter 13y agoYet somehow everyone understands what people mean when they say "Mac or PC"... Prescriptivists.
- bromagosa 13y agoThis has nothing to do with prescriptivism whatsoever. This is like calling the blue "e" icon in your desktop "The Internet". It's just plain wrong naming. In tech, things should be called by their name, or you risk future confusion.
- V-2 13y agoIt's Apple that made PC synonymous with Windows machines (with all their "Mac vs PC" ads). Yes technically speaking it's incorrect, but that's human language for you, it just happens. Sometimes the other way round, eg. walkman was once Sony's tradename, but eventually all portable cassette players were called so.
- bromagosa 13y agoNot really, it actually comes from long before that. I remember being a very little kid and buying shareware games with their "PC-Compatible" labels. At the time, that sticker actually meant "DOS Compatible", and being I just about 10 years old, I believed PCs and DOS were the only possible match, the same way my first MSX ran MSX-Basic and my cousin's Amstrad CPC ran CP/M. I didn't know it was even possible for machines to run different OSes. For that matter, I didn't even know what an OS was. I just knew different machines worked differently, the same way different TV sets worked differently. So it's not just a matter of human language, it's a matter of intentionally confusing terms in favour of the market. Everybody knew there were other "walkmans" around. Not everybody knows there are other OSes.
- D9u 13y agoToo bad those platforms don't include Linux & FreeBSD.
- ekianjo 13y agoSadly Google has more or less stopped supporting Linux on desktop since Larry Page came into office (Picasa and others...). Hardly surprising. Even though at Google everyone uses a flavor of Ubuntu for their desktops.
- ekianjo 13y agoCross platform but not Linux. That's "limited" when you do web development.
- michaelhoney 13y agoI don't think tumultco would see ROI porting to Windows or Linux. Quite apart from the actual development effort, managing two or more codebases, dealing with Windows fragmentation and piracy... ugh. Yes, you'd drastically expand your potential client base – but end up with worse revenue and higher support costs per customer.
- dagge 13y agoAs long as we're doing shameless plugs: checkout my cross-platform product at http://tweenui.com/animator http://tweenui.com/animator – it's for creating simple HTML5 animations (focus is mobile display ads) in the browser. You can download the result or publish to the cloud.
- alexcroox 13y agoYou might consider hosting that intro video on a better platform, buffered so slowly for me with a 120MB connection. Granted your site is probably getting hit by HN, but when attention spans are so short, many may give up long before I did.
- tumultco 13y agoThanks for reporting this; our site should be able to handle this amount of traffic no problem and the video loads pretty quickly for me. Where are you located and does the problem still happen? We've moved nearly all of our other videos to youtube, so if it really is our server you can click the "watch more" buttons on the main page to still get a feel for the app.
- zach_s 13y agoIt may be tough, but porting your application to Windows would be a great idea and help you compete against Google in the long run. Good luck with it, and from what I've checked around on your website it seems like a great tool/competitor to Google! (I'm on a Mac, still I have Windows machines and know a huge amount of web-developers who abide by Windows)
- ekanes 13y agoLove your attitude. If you can position yourself as the best alternative to Google's product it's not a bad place to be - they may expand the market. Good luck.
- coverband 13y ago"it is really just team vs. team" -- that's a great way of looking at it. Good luck with the additional attention and hope you can convert new eyes into more customers.