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That is a category killer cheap phone right there. EDIT: What makes it a category killer is the brand/price point combination.

danieldk 13y ago
I hope your are being ironic. 599 Euro in Europe is not a killer cheap phone. http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone5c http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone5c
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  The iPhone 4S is a lot cheaper, it’s Euro 399. http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone4s http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone4s
  - arrrg 13y ago
    And? That’s nothing new. Until today Apple sold the iPhone 4 for that price. They have been selling the two year old model for that price for a long time now.
  - douglasisshiny 13y ago
    The Nexus 4 16GB (the 8GB model is sold out) is $250.
  - danieldk 13y ago
    That's still expensive for a two year old phone. E.g. the Lumia 920 is being sold here for 289 Euro (32GB, great camera, 4.5" retina display).
arrrg 13y ago
Samsung’s flagship phone (S4) is €100 cheaper. This is not in any way, shape or form a cheap phone. It’s the iPhone 5 in a new case for €100/$100 less. That’s it.
- seanmcdirmid 13y ago
  The nexus 4 kills both in price currently, I think. It is quite important to is in markets where phone subsidies don't exist. Not to mention the Nokia 620, which is cheap (1700 RMB) but lacks the high res screen.
- corresation 13y ago
  Just speculating, but I would guess that the discounting will be hard and fast: Apple doesn't want to scare investors outright (there is a paranoia about any drop in the ASP, which has the longer-term effect of barring Apple from adapting to markets), but it is likely that Apple will do what is necessary to make this very price competitive. It will be interesting to see what the imminent Nexus 4/5 is going to bring. I suspect that it will dramatically improve on the terrible camera in the original Nexus 4.
  - arrrg 13y ago
    Apple will not compromise on this. Will not happen. I personally think it’s a completely appropriate price. All I wanted to make clear is that this is not a cheap phone. Doesn’t mean it’s an overpriced phone or somehow worse than the S4. I wanted to make its place in the market clear, that’s all.
    - corresation 13y ago
      While I springboarded off of your comment, my comment is my own. And I absolutely think that Apple will "compromise" on this (where compromise apparently means "compete in the market"), and the whole "this is not cheap" line is absolute hubris that the Apple-sphere is inventing: This phone is designed to be cheaply manufactured, and you can be absolutely certain that Apple plans on doing what is necessary to maintain marketshare, and the price you see today has little to nothing to do with how it will be priced in China and elsewhere, or even in the US in a few months on no-contract plans.
krschultz 13y ago
Then what do you think about $199 for a smart phone that is in every way as capable? http://www.google.com/nexus/4/ http://www.google.com/nexus/4/
- gareim 13y ago
  Technically $249 since they're out of the $199 8gb and have said that they don't plan on restocking.
  - sahaskatta 13y ago
    The 16GB Nexus 4 is just 45% the cost of the 16GB iPhone 5C. The new Nexus 5 will likely start at $300 as the Nexus 4or5 did when it first went on sale a year ago. I'm not sure what market the iPhone 5C is targeting. On contract, you might as well buy the 5S.
    - gareim 13y ago
      I'm not disagreeing with you; I also think the Nexus line is a great buy off contract but that the iPhone is better subsidized ($400 value for $200 on contract or $650 value for $200? The Nexus 4 on contract was stupid). I'm excited about the Nexus 5, but if the rumors are true that it'll be based off the LG G2, I have a hard time seeing how it'll be offered for $300 when the G2 is the fastest phone on the market.
      - wmf 13y ago
        Wasn't the Nexus 4 exactly the same situation last year, also being based on the fastest phone?
        JTon 13y ago
        Yeah I remember this as well. Specs per price at the time blew everyone away. Corners were still cut though (I'm looking at you camera and battery life).
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danieldk 13y ago

I hope your are being ironic. 599 Euro in Europe is not a killer cheap phone. http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone5c http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone5c

Samuel_Michon 13y ago
The iPhone 4S is a lot cheaper, it’s Euro 399. http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone4s http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone4s
- arrrg 13y ago
  And? That’s nothing new. Until today Apple sold the iPhone 4 for that price. They have been selling the two year old model for that price for a long time now.
- douglasisshiny 13y ago
  The Nexus 4 16GB (the 8GB model is sold out) is $250.
- danieldk 13y ago
  That's still expensive for a two year old phone. E.g. the Lumia 920 is being sold here for 289 Euro (32GB, great camera, 4.5" retina display).

arrrg 13y ago

Samsung’s flagship phone (S4) is €100 cheaper. This is not in any way, shape or form a cheap phone. It’s the iPhone 5 in a new case for €100/$100 less. That’s it.

seanmcdirmid 13y ago
The nexus 4 kills both in price currently, I think. It is quite important to is in markets where phone subsidies don't exist. Not to mention the Nokia 620, which is cheap (1700 RMB) but lacks the high res screen.
corresation 13y ago
Just speculating, but I would guess that the discounting will be hard and fast: Apple doesn't want to scare investors outright (there is a paranoia about any drop in the ASP, which has the longer-term effect of barring Apple from adapting to markets), but it is likely that Apple will do what is necessary to make this very price competitive. It will be interesting to see what the imminent Nexus 4/5 is going to bring. I suspect that it will dramatically improve on the terrible camera in the original Nexus 4.
- arrrg 13y ago
  Apple will not compromise on this. Will not happen. I personally think it’s a completely appropriate price. All I wanted to make clear is that this is not a cheap phone. Doesn’t mean it’s an overpriced phone or somehow worse than the S4. I wanted to make its place in the market clear, that’s all.
  - corresation 13y ago
    While I springboarded off of your comment, my comment is my own. And I absolutely think that Apple will "compromise" on this (where compromise apparently means "compete in the market"), and the whole "this is not cheap" line is absolute hubris that the Apple-sphere is inventing: This phone is designed to be cheaply manufactured, and you can be absolutely certain that Apple plans on doing what is necessary to maintain marketshare, and the price you see today has little to nothing to do with how it will be priced in China and elsewhere, or even in the US in a few months on no-contract plans.

krschultz 13y ago

Then what do you think about $199 for a smart phone that is in every way as capable? http://www.google.com/nexus/4/ http://www.google.com/nexus/4/

gareim 13y ago
Technically $249 since they're out of the $199 8gb and have said that they don't plan on restocking.
- sahaskatta 13y ago
  The 16GB Nexus 4 is just 45% the cost of the 16GB iPhone 5C. The new Nexus 5 will likely start at $300 as the Nexus 4or5 did when it first went on sale a year ago. I'm not sure what market the iPhone 5C is targeting. On contract, you might as well buy the 5S.
  - gareim 13y ago
    I'm not disagreeing with you; I also think the Nexus line is a great buy off contract but that the iPhone is better subsidized ($400 value for $200 on contract or $650 value for $200? The Nexus 4 on contract was stupid). I'm excited about the Nexus 5, but if the rumors are true that it'll be based off the LG G2, I have a hard time seeing how it'll be offered for $300 when the G2 is the fastest phone on the market.
    - wmf 13y ago
      Wasn't the Nexus 4 exactly the same situation last year, also being based on the fastest phone?
      - JTon 13y ago
        Yeah I remember this as well. Specs per price at the time blew everyone away. Corners were still cut though (I'm looking at you camera and battery life).
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