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Why are you assuming that meat consumption is necessary?
by axblount 13y ago
Why are you assuming that meat consumption is necessary?
- fatjokes 13y agoAt the very least some animal product is necessary (e.g., dairy or eggs). See: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html Vegetarians can go ahead and argue that vegans are too extreme while vegans fire back that vegetarians are just vegans who lack commitment.
- axblount 13y agoI am vegan and have been for about a year and a half. Animal products are not necessary for a healthy diet. That goes for adults and infants. http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20070523.html http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20070523.html Crown Shakur did die because he parents didn't supply him with adequate nutrition, but there's no reason he couldn't have gotten what he needed on a vegan diet. Plenty of children are raised on a 100% vegan diet and thrive just like children fed with animal products.
- cgh 13y agoThere's a reason why there are practically no vegan power athletes. I was vegan for nearly ten years and I regret it immensely as I now see how badly it set me back. That said, you're right, with a properly-designed diet you can be healthy and happy. I don't believe you can ever be athletically optimal, however (aside from perhaps pure cardio sports).
- arsenerei 13y agoMac Danzig seems to counter your argument that's it isn't possible. http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Mac-Danzig http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Mac-Danzig http://www.mikemahler.com/online-library/articles/mma-training/ufc-fighter-mac-danzig-vegan-diet.html http://www.mikemahler.com/online-library/articles/mma-traini...
- cgh 13y agoNot really. First, mma isn't a power sport. Second, notice the protein supplementation. Clearly the diet alone isn't cutting it.
- steveklabnik 13y agoAren't supplements part of your diet? Maybe this is a domain term that operates differently. Many people who aren't vegan that I know take a daily multivitamin, does this demonstrate that their diet alone isn't cutting it either?
- hni 13y agoStrongest German, vegan: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian
- asdfdsa1234 13y agoHe became vegan in 2011, after setting records.
- dllthomas 13y agoI expect the primary reason there are practically no vegan power athletes is that there are few power athletes and few vegans.
- wnevets 13y agoCan you link to a study or two that at-least suggest that infants can be raised vegan?
- axblount 13y agohttp://www.vrg.org/nutrition/2009_ADA_position_paper.pdf http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/2009_ADA_position_paper.pdf "It is the position of the American Di- etetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian di- ets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, in- cluding pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes." Also, http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/yjada/article/S0002-8223%2801%2900169-9/abstract http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/yjada/art... Just breastfeed! Breast milk is the ideal infant food after all. Crown Shakra was fed just apple juice and soymilk.
- wnevets 13y agothat nytimes link showed that vegan breast milk isn't adequate
- axblount 13y agoThe second sentence of the article is "His vegan parents, who fed him mainly soy milk and apple juice, were convicted in Atlanta recently of murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty."
- wnevets 13y agoright but the article goes on to say: "Yet even a breast-fed baby is at risk. Studies show that vegan breast milk lacks enough docosahexaenoic acid, or DHA, the omega-3 fat found in fatty fish. It is difficult to overstate the importance of DHA, vital as it is for eye and brain development."
- pbhjpbhj 13y ago>Plenty of children are raised on a 100% vegan diet and thrive just like children fed with animal products. // Citation? The only children I know [that I can recall] that are brought up in vegetarianism are noticeably "weedy". Shorter than average, low muscle tone, paler skin than their peers. That's completely anecdotal and a very small sample but it informs my demand to see your support for this claim. Now it's probably quite possible to create a vegan diet with all required nutrients a child needs; but how practical is that and does it happen.
- arsenerei 13y agoI don't think attacking vegetarian and vegans goes well to your credibility.
- fatjokes 13y agoPerhaps. I just do it for fun.
- continuations 13y ago> At the very least some animal product is necessary (e.g., dairy or eggs). And you would be completely, utterly, absolutely wrong: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12826028 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12826028 "It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. "Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life-cycle including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits"
- cobrausn 13y agoIt may not be, but considering how much we enjoy eating it, you would be unlikely to be able to get everyone to stop.
- tdfx 13y agoI keep a high level of protein my diet. I've tried veggie burgers and other substitutes and enjoyed them a lot, but I can't replace all my meals with them because they're just so damn high in sodium. Any suggestions?
- api 13y agoIf you don't want to go full-vegan, whey protein isn't bad. But you shouldn't rely on any one source exclusively. Full-vegan options include quinoa, beans, lentils, and nuts. But I agree it's hard. You have to eat a lot of these things.
- axblount 13y agoI don't use any protein supplements but I've heard good things about Vega's products http://myvega.com/ http://myvega.com/
- steveklabnik 13y ago+1 to Vega, for sure. You can also get hemp-based protein as well.
- xj9 13y agoNuts and beans are both high in protein; quinoa is a complete protein (as is soy) by itself. I get most of my protein from tofu, honestly. It isn't as protein-dense as beef, though.
- dragonwriter 13y agoThis isn't a problem with plant-based protein sources, its a problem with commercially-processed packaged foods. You can get high-protein non-meat protein sources that aren't as heavily processed (e.g., gluten powder, tofu, quinoa, etc.) and prepare them yourself to control sodium levels.
- continuations 13y agoDon't eat veggie burgers then. Eat beans, nuts, tofu, seitan, flax - all of them are low in sodium.
- bas 13y agoI enjoy eating meat. Deal with it.