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I can't wait to see the cognitive dissonance from the "natural" people. On one hand, it could quite possibly replace factory farming and eliminate a huge amoun

by api 13y ago

I can't wait to see the cognitive dissonance from the "natural" people. On one hand, it could quite possibly replace factory farming and eliminate a huge amount of waste, pollution, and animal cruelty. On the other hand, it's GMO. I love seeing True Believers in Movementarianism squirm. I'm equal opportunity here. I like pointing out the philosophical inconsistencies of dogmatic positivism to your typical Reddit /r/atheist type, or pointing out the failures and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry to the rabidly anti-alt-med people you find in skeptic circles... Ideology: n.: from the root words "idiot" and "ology," the science and art of becoming an idiot by confusing a model of reality with reality itself.

ignostic 13y ago
You wouldn't really call lab-grown meat "genetically modified." We're not actually altering the genomic information at all (yet). You would certainly not call the process "natural" though. It really would be great to see a split between nautreopaths and vegitarians. I don't understand how the communities have grown so close together.
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eksith 13y ago
I love me some dead cow once in a while and have a problem with waste, pollution cruelty etc... and I have concerns about GMO. But this ain't "not cow". It's still the genetically identical counterpart to the pasture-raised variety without the pasture so how is it "dissonance"?
msvan 13y ago
You can also dislike both Big Pharma and alternative medicine. That removes the philosophical inconsistencies and just leaves you bitter and disappointed.
3am 13y ago
Your eagerness for schadenfreude seems poorly thought out, since this is not GMO, it's cell cloning. Maybe people will object because lab-grown meat is 'gross'. Maybe they will object because it removes such substantial barriers to GMO (the introduced traits don't have to result in a viable individual). Hopefully you'll get achieve some gratification for being an iconoclast when they bring up those objections, though. PSA: no need to spend the second half you post explaining your contrarianism, it was implicit from the first half.
axblount 13y ago
Why are you assuming that meat consumption is necessary?
- fatjokes 13y ago
  At the very least some animal product is necessary (e.g., dairy or eggs). See: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html Vegetarians can go ahead and argue that vegans are too extreme while vegans fire back that vegetarians are just vegans who lack commitment.
  - axblount 13y ago
    I am vegan and have been for about a year and a half. Animal products are not necessary for a healthy diet. That goes for adults and infants. http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20070523.html http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20070523.html Crown Shakur did die because he parents didn't supply him with adequate nutrition, but there's no reason he couldn't have gotten what he needed on a vegan diet. Plenty of children are raised on a 100% vegan diet and thrive just like children fed with animal products.
    - cgh 13y ago
      There's a reason why there are practically no vegan power athletes. I was vegan for nearly ten years and I regret it immensely as I now see how badly it set me back. That said, you're right, with a properly-designed diet you can be healthy and happy. I don't believe you can ever be athletically optimal, however (aside from perhaps pure cardio sports).
      - arsenerei 13y ago
        Mac Danzig seems to counter your argument that's it isn't possible. http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Mac-Danzig http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Mac-Danzig http://www.mikemahler.com/online-library/articles/mma-training/ufc-fighter-mac-danzig-vegan-diet.html http://www.mikemahler.com/online-library/articles/mma-traini...
Cyclosa 13y ago
This cognitive dissonance exists in your head only.
jlgreco 13y ago
All the skeptics I know are huge proponents of science/evidence based medicine and are, for example, very anti-"Vaxxer" (or is it anti-"anit-Vaxxer"? Whatever, they hate Jenny McCarthy is what I'm getting at here...) I think you mean conspiracy theorist circles. Very different sort of group, even when they attempt to mimic the language of skeptics.
pasquinelli 13y ago
"On one hand, it could quite possibly replace factory farming and eliminate a huge amount of waste, pollution, and animal cruelty." don't get it confused. the animals that are factory farmed don't count. they'll never catch a break. if we stop raising them for food we'll just exterminate them.
return0 13y ago
Idiot: the guy who looks at the finger and says "fuck the sky"

by api 13y ago

ignostic 13y ago

You wouldn't really call lab-grown meat "genetically modified." We're not actually altering the genomic information at all (yet). You would certainly not call the process "natural" though. It really would be great to see a split between nautreopaths and vegitarians. I don't understand how the communities have grown so close together.

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eksith 13y ago

I love me some dead cow once in a while and have a problem with waste, pollution cruelty etc... and I have concerns about GMO. But this ain't "not cow". It's still the genetically identical counterpart to the pasture-raised variety without the pasture so how is it "dissonance"?

msvan 13y ago

You can also dislike both Big Pharma and alternative medicine. That removes the philosophical inconsistencies and just leaves you bitter and disappointed.

3am 13y ago

Your eagerness for schadenfreude seems poorly thought out, since this is not GMO, it's cell cloning. Maybe people will object because lab-grown meat is 'gross'. Maybe they will object because it removes such substantial barriers to GMO (the introduced traits don't have to result in a viable individual). Hopefully you'll get achieve some gratification for being an iconoclast when they bring up those objections, though. PSA: no need to spend the second half you post explaining your contrarianism, it was implicit from the first half.

axblount 13y ago

Why are you assuming that meat consumption is necessary?

fatjokes 13y ago
At the very least some animal product is necessary (e.g., dairy or eggs). See: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html Vegetarians can go ahead and argue that vegans are too extreme while vegans fire back that vegetarians are just vegans who lack commitment.
- axblount 13y ago
  I am vegan and have been for about a year and a half. Animal products are not necessary for a healthy diet. That goes for adults and infants. http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20070523.html http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20070523.html Crown Shakur did die because he parents didn't supply him with adequate nutrition, but there's no reason he couldn't have gotten what he needed on a vegan diet. Plenty of children are raised on a 100% vegan diet and thrive just like children fed with animal products.
  - cgh 13y ago
    There's a reason why there are practically no vegan power athletes. I was vegan for nearly ten years and I regret it immensely as I now see how badly it set me back. That said, you're right, with a properly-designed diet you can be healthy and happy. I don't believe you can ever be athletically optimal, however (aside from perhaps pure cardio sports).
    - arsenerei 13y ago
      Mac Danzig seems to counter your argument that's it isn't possible. http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Mac-Danzig http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Mac-Danzig http://www.mikemahler.com/online-library/articles/mma-training/ufc-fighter-mac-danzig-vegan-diet.html http://www.mikemahler.com/online-library/articles/mma-traini...

Cyclosa 13y ago

This cognitive dissonance exists in your head only.

jlgreco 13y ago

All the skeptics I know are huge proponents of science/evidence based medicine and are, for example, very anti-"Vaxxer" (or is it anti-"anit-Vaxxer"? Whatever, they hate Jenny McCarthy is what I'm getting at here...) I think you mean conspiracy theorist circles. Very different sort of group, even when they attempt to mimic the language of skeptics.

pasquinelli 13y ago

"On one hand, it could quite possibly replace factory farming and eliminate a huge amount of waste, pollution, and animal cruelty." don't get it confused. the animals that are factory farmed don't count. they'll never catch a break. if we stop raising them for food we'll just exterminate them.

return0 13y ago

Idiot: the guy who looks at the finger and says "fuck the sky"