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WWDC 2013 Expectations

83 points by rkrishnakumar 13y ago

czr80 13y ago
tl;dr Gruber doesn't know.
zyang 13y ago
Maybe Apple did get better at keeping things under wrap, but it's also because people lost interest with the lack of innovation coming out of Apple.
- aaronbrethorst 13y ago
  In the span of ten years (2001 - 2010), they brought Unix computers to the mass market, revolutionized the smartphone, and introduced mainstream tablets. Saying that there's a lack of innovation there is ridiculous to me. I am extremely pleased that Apple only rarely embraces change for the sake of change[1]. I get the sense that people like us tend to want to see lots of changes, and are too quick to write things off just because they don't look that different from last year's model. All that said, I certainly don't think iOS is perfect. I think Apple needs to add user accounts to the iPad, and allow for some IPC and replacement of system components on iOS, among other things. [1] cf. this god-awful skeumorphic thing that is finally being put out to pasture. And the Flower Power and Dalmatian iMacs. And that whole "It's called iTools, not wait .Mac, no wait MobileMe, no wait iCloud!" thing has been a total disaster.
  - kunai 13y ago
    > brought Unix to the mass market Not really. 90% of Mac users don't care or know what Unix is. They don't know that OS X's toolchain and userland are based on FreeBSD. All they care about is ease of use. Developers like OS X because it is Unix, and if OS X wasn't, they would just be using GNU+Linux or BSD anyway.
    - mikegreco 13y ago
      > Not really. 90% of Mac users don't care or know what Unix is. This is exactly why it is brilliant. The average user is NOT a unix user, but the average developer is. The reason OS X is doing so well the same reason Facebook Home bombed. Developers are actually using the systems they are writing code for.
      - kunai 13y ago
        In a sense, however, this is egregious. Since 10.6 OS X has been about abandoning developers and professionals and catering to consumers. The removal of 2-dimensional workspace management, inconsistency in NATIVE application look and feel (this is ridiculous, I can understand when there's inconsistency in third party applications, but to have in-house apps look and feel completely different is absurd) and the inability to easily remove unneeded or unwanted "features" in the OS has made OS X a pain in the ass for many, including me. I've vacillated on switching back to Ubuntu for quite a while now. I always end up making a Linux partition, installing Ubuntu on it, but I come back to OS X, just because 1. Less worry about configuration 2. Greater OS-wide service communication and integration 3. Laziness I've been considering creating a GNU+Linux distro with an OpenStep-compatible toolkit at its core (http://gnustep.org/ http://gnustep.org/) so that I can get the famous Cocoa look and feel, but with the modularity of Linux. Still haven't done it yet.
- jkubicek 13y ago
  I don't understand this sentiment. Apple is releasing groundbreaking new products at the same rate they always have. They are certainly innovating no slower then they always have.
ninetenel 13y ago
What a fanboy
- ancarda 13y ago
  I'd be interested to know what areas jumped out as "fanboy-ish" to you.
  - mikehc 13y ago
    "No, Apple did not invent the touchscreen. But the iPhone... It was the first touchscreen device that mattered." There you go.
    - nairteashop 13y ago
      Out of genuine curiosity, what touchscreen device would you say then was actually the first one that mattered? I assume by "mattered" Gruber meant mass market popularity, which IMO was mostly because Apple did get many things right in their touchscreen. (I owned a bunch of touchscreen devices before my first iPhone and they all sucked from a user experience perspective - missed taps, sluggish response, lack of multitouch, requirement for a special stylus etc).
      - cheald 13y ago
        I'd say that Palm manufactured a large number of "touchscreen devices that mattered" years before the iPhone. Just because it wasn't high-resolution and capacitive doesn't change the fact that for a long while, Palm Pilots were a staple of business.
        nairteashop 13y ago
        Ah, fair point. The Palm didn't come to my mind because I didn't buy one - I personally felt that the device & the stylus-based interface were too clunky - but you're right, it was still a touchscreen device that mattered.
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danpalmer 13y ago
I'm not sure if Apple did a good job at keeping secrets, or whether there isn't anything to keep a secret about? We're expecting new software, but that's easy for Apple to keep under wraps as it doesn't really have to be used outside Cupertino, unlike manufactured products like an iPhone. Nothing abnormally secret there. We're expecting new MacBooks, but the rumour is a move to Haswell, which would only be a spec bump, no new major design, and we have had new model numbers leaked. Nothing abnormally secret again. There might be a new Mac Pro, but this is supposedly being manufactured in the US meaning there is less of a supply chain to leak from, and my guess is that it's not in manufacturing yet anyway and if one is announced it will be a little way off (it was slated for 'later in 2013'). If there is an entirely new product (probably something TV related) then that would be a big secret that was well kept. But I'm not putting money on that happening. I'm not sure Apple has been any better at keeping secrets than recent years at all.
- k-mcgrady 13y ago
  >> "We're expecting new software, but that's easy for Apple to keep under wraps as it doesn't really have to be used outside Cupertino" I would assume they have to use iOS out in the field to test things like Maps and any changes they've made to the software controlling the radio signals.
  - w1ntermute 13y ago
    Testing it in the field without detection is quite easy to do in the Valley. It's not like being in SF or NYC, where you could always have someone peeking over your shoulder.
  - benologist 13y ago
    It would be very difficult to know if the person near you is using a secret version of the software.
    - Tloewald 13y ago
      One thing we know is that Apple's test units have narrow field of view overlays to make sneaking a peek harder.
kunai 13y ago
I hope we see a modern, case-sensitive filesystem, for once, without resource or data forks of any kind. Second, I hope we see better graphics, new OpenGL is a must. Third, maybe a fresher UI similar to iTunes 11, would be nice. Aqua is dated. That's all I hope for. Just wait for it, the announcement is tomorrow. It's only 21 hours away... just wait.
- dman 13y ago
  +1 for newer opengl. 3.2 is from 2009 :(
  - coldtea 13y ago
    So? Any particular thing you're missing in the desktop from OpenGL 4.x? Do people really play that many games on their Macs? And do they think 3.2 vs 4.x would make that much a difference? And it's not like 2009 is that back. If you want to see real pain, see us web people not being able to use 5+ year old CSS technologies without tricks because of lack of support, and having to use an almost unchanged for 15+ years JS language.
    - dman 13y ago
      ARB_sampler_objects, ARB_draw_indirect, ARB_tesselation_shader, compute shaders, opengl es compatibility, debug callbacks to name a few. Please do not justify brokenness by citing other brokenness.
- packetslave 13y ago
  The problem with modern, case-sensitive filesystems is that old software (and frameworks) don't like them. IIRC, case-sensitive HFS+ still isn't the default because Adobe software breaks if installed on it. Apple's not willing to say "sorry, you millions of Photoshop users, we're going to be technologically pure"
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    The other problem is that nobody but change-resistant Unix geeks (of which I am one) want case-sensitive filesystems. To the average person, "John's grocery list" being different from "john's grocery list" would be nothing more than a silly limitation of the dumb computer.
brianwillis 13y ago
It certainly has been odd watching Apple this year. Normally the company announces something significant every few months, but in 2013 they've gone (almost) completely silent. The last product release of note was the 2012 iMac, which was announced in October. So that's seven or eight months of silence. Something has been brewing at Cupertino, and I'm looking forward to tomorrow. Between this and E3, this week is like nerd Christmas.
- Tloewald 13y ago
  Based on Cook's statements during the last earnings report, we're not going to see a new category of hardware before Q4, but opening AppleTV for third party development, announcing broader content for AppleTV, and announcing a beefier AppleTV would be huge — I think the living room is Apple's to lose. Imagine an AppleTV with sufficient grunt for games that uses iOS devices as remotes.
eightyone 13y ago
I've been thinking about this lately. Keeping software leak-free is pretty easy compared to hardware. They have shields on the product that limit the viewing angle of the display. Also, only certain employees will have access to the final build, so if any of them leaked screenshots or what have you, it could be easily traced back to the leaker.
ryhanson 13y ago
Anyone else bothered by the fact that the font size is only 11px? Being on a 27" iMac the article was hard to read. TSDR (Too Small Didn't Read)
- packetslave 13y ago
  Install the Clearly browser extension or the Readability bookmarklet.
- deleted 13y ago
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- iaskwhy 13y ago
  You can change it here: http://daringfireball.net/preferences/ http://daringfireball.net/preferences/ Or zoom on the browser itself (but you already knew that).
  - bjustin 13y ago
    I didn't know he had a preferences page. Thank you.
    - iaskwhy 13y ago
      The link is on the footer :)
- octopus 13y ago
  Command Shift +
drawkbox 13y ago
I am hoping for Apple TV apps + SDK, remaking game consoles accidentally like they worked over handheld gaming. If you think about WiiU + Microsoft's XBone announcement they might be trying to focus where Apple TV is going. The best way to do it would be the ability to Air Install apps/games from your phone/tablet onto Apple TV. Yes there is AirPlay for gaming now but being able to get it on the device helps with lag.
frugalmail 13y ago
* 5% chance they have a new connector to rip people off with overpriced patented attachments (low likelihood only because they recently came out with one already) * 65% ipad mini gets a "retina" display and finally has the resolution of it's high priced competitor the Nexus 7" * 70% new ipad comes out with the new connector to force people to upgrade, manufacturers to pay ridiculous licensing costs and to spark replacement purchases. * 70% apple roles out a competitor for Google Music before the iPeeps realize that things are much cheaper and higher quality in the other store * 95% they copy a few more features from Android and talk about how it's the first device to do it. * 75% they try to incorporate features from the announced xbox one
da_n 13y ago
Here are my predictions based on what I've read and some guesswork, and being very bored. iOS. The visual refresh for iOS will make it feel modern and present a new design language for developers, ribbon, leather and wood textures are eradicated, however no fundamental changes such as widgets. There will be some relenting in the iron-fisted control of default apps, but only a couple of apps will be allowed (Browser and Mail). OSX. OSX gets similar but smaller visual update, and yet more iOS features which are not welcomed by power users (more posts about switching from Mac to Linux will ensue[1]). Finder. iCloud will be integrated directly into Finder somehow, such that if signed into iCloud the default start place in Finder will be iCloud documents/images which can be viewed on the Mac, along with their associated sandboxed applications. If you do not have the app installed required to open the document you will be shown a link to purchase the app in the App Store. They will also finally relent to power user demands and allow tabs in the Finder via preferences. The menu bar will be inverted to pure black with white text/icons and no drop shadow. Although the 'z-index' will still be present it will feel flat aesthetically which will fit more with the new design language. There will be yet more annoying animation with window open/closing, modals etc, and of course no way to turn it off. Core 2 Duo and lower will no longer be supported. Some sort of Mac Pro similar to the G4 Cube with modular add-ons will be announced and will be ridiculously expensive. Finally Apple TV possible update to include an app store and have new hardware (possibly $149). It will be compatible with the last generation, but miss out on a key feature like 'Siri TV'. [1] I use both Linux and Mac.
- moubarak 13y ago
  i don't know why i feel they should introduce a digital camera running iOS.
  - jmduke 13y ago
    They do; it's called the iPod Touch.
- bjustin 13y ago
  I want many of those changes to happen, but I think you're being optimistic. I think Apple will keep support for Conroe (Core 2 and its contemporary Xeon counterparts) for another OS release. Conroe was one of the biggest performance jumps between Intel processor generations in some time, and Apple used the NVIDIA 9400M IGP to give their Core 2 computers passable graphics performance.
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slap_shot 13y ago
I'm surprised there hasn't been much speculation regarding an Apple TV announcement. It's been about a year since Tim Cook stated 'TV is something we are incredibly interested in' - Apple has sold over 13MM Apple TVs - connected 'Smart TVs' are growing (roughly 25MM connected smart tvs in use) - and Apple just released the CW app on Apple TV. Maybe it doesn't seem like a WWDC kind of announcement, but opening up an SDK for this rich viewing experiences on Apple TV could be huge, depending on what examples they have lined up. Also, since the Apple TV would only require a hardware upgrade (at most) - and is mostly just software, it could be kept under wraps pretty easily. Hopefully something comes up about TV!
jacques_chester 13y ago
All I want is a new Mac Pro that doesn't suck. Yes, I'll pay Mac tax for the hardware.
justinlilly 13y ago
Apple predictions game, fwiw. http://apple.dyaso.com/ http://apple.dyaso.com/
ja27 13y ago
"... and did so by introducing something new. The touchscreen." That's something that still annoys the crap out of me. Long before the iPhone, plenty of people were happily using PalmOS and Windows Mobile touchscreen devices and downloading apps for them. If he doesn't think the Palm Treos mattered, he wasn't paying attention.
- fpgeek 13y ago
  He clearly wasn't. There aren't that many Treo-mentions on DF pre-iPhone and almost all of those are about kicking the Windows Mobile 700w (which was justified to a point, but still...).
- macavity23 13y ago
  Right. Speaking as an ex-happy-palmos and ex-angry-winmo user, what the iPhone introduced was the finger-usable (i.e. capacitive) touch screen, rather than the stylus-based (resistive) one - which genuinely was a paradigm shift.
  - ja27 13y ago
    I used my fingernail on my Treo all the time. I was happy to switch to capacitive touch but sometimes I miss the precision and ability to use any old stylus.
ksec 13y ago
Will there is Livestream this year?

83 points by rkrishnakumar 13y ago

czr80 13y ago

tl;dr Gruber doesn't know.

zyang 13y ago

Maybe Apple did get better at keeping things under wrap, but it's also because people lost interest with the lack of innovation coming out of Apple.

aaronbrethorst 13y ago
In the span of ten years (2001 - 2010), they brought Unix computers to the mass market, revolutionized the smartphone, and introduced mainstream tablets. Saying that there's a lack of innovation there is ridiculous to me. I am extremely pleased that Apple only rarely embraces change for the sake of change[1]. I get the sense that people like us tend to want to see lots of changes, and are too quick to write things off just because they don't look that different from last year's model. All that said, I certainly don't think iOS is perfect. I think Apple needs to add user accounts to the iPad, and allow for some IPC and replacement of system components on iOS, among other things. [1] cf. this god-awful skeumorphic thing that is finally being put out to pasture. And the Flower Power and Dalmatian iMacs. And that whole "It's called iTools, not wait .Mac, no wait MobileMe, no wait iCloud!" thing has been a total disaster.
- kunai 13y ago
  > brought Unix to the mass market Not really. 90% of Mac users don't care or know what Unix is. They don't know that OS X's toolchain and userland are based on FreeBSD. All they care about is ease of use. Developers like OS X because it is Unix, and if OS X wasn't, they would just be using GNU+Linux or BSD anyway.
  - mikegreco 13y ago
    > Not really. 90% of Mac users don't care or know what Unix is. This is exactly why it is brilliant. The average user is NOT a unix user, but the average developer is. The reason OS X is doing so well the same reason Facebook Home bombed. Developers are actually using the systems they are writing code for.
    - kunai 13y ago
      In a sense, however, this is egregious. Since 10.6 OS X has been about abandoning developers and professionals and catering to consumers. The removal of 2-dimensional workspace management, inconsistency in NATIVE application look and feel (this is ridiculous, I can understand when there's inconsistency in third party applications, but to have in-house apps look and feel completely different is absurd) and the inability to easily remove unneeded or unwanted "features" in the OS has made OS X a pain in the ass for many, including me. I've vacillated on switching back to Ubuntu for quite a while now. I always end up making a Linux partition, installing Ubuntu on it, but I come back to OS X, just because 1. Less worry about configuration 2. Greater OS-wide service communication and integration 3. Laziness I've been considering creating a GNU+Linux distro with an OpenStep-compatible toolkit at its core (http://gnustep.org/ http://gnustep.org/) so that I can get the famous Cocoa look and feel, but with the modularity of Linux. Still haven't done it yet.
jkubicek 13y ago
I don't understand this sentiment. Apple is releasing groundbreaking new products at the same rate they always have. They are certainly innovating no slower then they always have.

ninetenel 13y ago

What a fanboy

ancarda 13y ago
I'd be interested to know what areas jumped out as "fanboy-ish" to you.
- mikehc 13y ago
  "No, Apple did not invent the touchscreen. But the iPhone... It was the first touchscreen device that mattered." There you go.
  - nairteashop 13y ago
    Out of genuine curiosity, what touchscreen device would you say then was actually the first one that mattered? I assume by "mattered" Gruber meant mass market popularity, which IMO was mostly because Apple did get many things right in their touchscreen. (I owned a bunch of touchscreen devices before my first iPhone and they all sucked from a user experience perspective - missed taps, sluggish response, lack of multitouch, requirement for a special stylus etc).
    - cheald 13y ago
      I'd say that Palm manufactured a large number of "touchscreen devices that mattered" years before the iPhone. Just because it wasn't high-resolution and capacitive doesn't change the fact that for a long while, Palm Pilots were a staple of business.
      - nairteashop 13y ago
        Ah, fair point. The Palm didn't come to my mind because I didn't buy one - I personally felt that the device & the stylus-based interface were too clunky - but you're right, it was still a touchscreen device that mattered.
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danpalmer 13y ago

I'm not sure if Apple did a good job at keeping secrets, or whether there isn't anything to keep a secret about? We're expecting new software, but that's easy for Apple to keep under wraps as it doesn't really have to be used outside Cupertino, unlike manufactured products like an iPhone. Nothing abnormally secret there. We're expecting new MacBooks, but the rumour is a move to Haswell, which would only be a spec bump, no new major design, and we have had new model numbers leaked. Nothing abnormally secret again. There might be a new Mac Pro, but this is supposedly being manufactured in the US meaning there is less of a supply chain to leak from, and my guess is that it's not in manufacturing yet anyway and if one is announced it will be a little way off (it was slated for 'later in 2013'). If there is an entirely new product (probably something TV related) then that would be a big secret that was well kept. But I'm not putting money on that happening. I'm not sure Apple has been any better at keeping secrets than recent years at all.

k-mcgrady 13y ago
>> "We're expecting new software, but that's easy for Apple to keep under wraps as it doesn't really have to be used outside Cupertino" I would assume they have to use iOS out in the field to test things like Maps and any changes they've made to the software controlling the radio signals.
- w1ntermute 13y ago
  Testing it in the field without detection is quite easy to do in the Valley. It's not like being in SF or NYC, where you could always have someone peeking over your shoulder.
- benologist 13y ago
  It would be very difficult to know if the person near you is using a secret version of the software.
  - Tloewald 13y ago
    One thing we know is that Apple's test units have narrow field of view overlays to make sneaking a peek harder.

kunai 13y ago

I hope we see a modern, case-sensitive filesystem, for once, without resource or data forks of any kind. Second, I hope we see better graphics, new OpenGL is a must. Third, maybe a fresher UI similar to iTunes 11, would be nice. Aqua is dated. That's all I hope for. Just wait for it, the announcement is tomorrow. It's only 21 hours away... just wait.

dman 13y ago
+1 for newer opengl. 3.2 is from 2009 :(
- coldtea 13y ago
  So? Any particular thing you're missing in the desktop from OpenGL 4.x? Do people really play that many games on their Macs? And do they think 3.2 vs 4.x would make that much a difference? And it's not like 2009 is that back. If you want to see real pain, see us web people not being able to use 5+ year old CSS technologies without tricks because of lack of support, and having to use an almost unchanged for 15+ years JS language.
  - dman 13y ago
    ARB_sampler_objects, ARB_draw_indirect, ARB_tesselation_shader, compute shaders, opengl es compatibility, debug callbacks to name a few. Please do not justify brokenness by citing other brokenness.
packetslave 13y ago
The problem with modern, case-sensitive filesystems is that old software (and frameworks) don't like them. IIRC, case-sensitive HFS+ still isn't the default because Adobe software breaks if installed on it. Apple's not willing to say "sorry, you millions of Photoshop users, we're going to be technologically pure"
- nknighthb 13y ago
  The other problem is that nobody but change-resistant Unix geeks (of which I am one) want case-sensitive filesystems. To the average person, "John's grocery list" being different from "john's grocery list" would be nothing more than a silly limitation of the dumb computer.

brianwillis 13y ago

It certainly has been odd watching Apple this year. Normally the company announces something significant every few months, but in 2013 they've gone (almost) completely silent. The last product release of note was the 2012 iMac, which was announced in October. So that's seven or eight months of silence. Something has been brewing at Cupertino, and I'm looking forward to tomorrow. Between this and E3, this week is like nerd Christmas.

Tloewald 13y ago
Based on Cook's statements during the last earnings report, we're not going to see a new category of hardware before Q4, but opening AppleTV for third party development, announcing broader content for AppleTV, and announcing a beefier AppleTV would be huge — I think the living room is Apple's to lose. Imagine an AppleTV with sufficient grunt for games that uses iOS devices as remotes.

eightyone 13y ago

I've been thinking about this lately. Keeping software leak-free is pretty easy compared to hardware. They have shields on the product that limit the viewing angle of the display. Also, only certain employees will have access to the final build, so if any of them leaked screenshots or what have you, it could be easily traced back to the leaker.

ryhanson 13y ago

Anyone else bothered by the fact that the font size is only 11px? Being on a 27" iMac the article was hard to read. TSDR (Too Small Didn't Read)

packetslave 13y ago
Install the Clearly browser extension or the Readability bookmarklet.
deleted 13y ago
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iaskwhy 13y ago
You can change it here: http://daringfireball.net/preferences/ http://daringfireball.net/preferences/ Or zoom on the browser itself (but you already knew that).
- bjustin 13y ago
  I didn't know he had a preferences page. Thank you.
  - iaskwhy 13y ago
    The link is on the footer :)
octopus 13y ago
Command Shift +

drawkbox 13y ago

I am hoping for Apple TV apps + SDK, remaking game consoles accidentally like they worked over handheld gaming. If you think about WiiU + Microsoft's XBone announcement they might be trying to focus where Apple TV is going. The best way to do it would be the ability to Air Install apps/games from your phone/tablet onto Apple TV. Yes there is AirPlay for gaming now but being able to get it on the device helps with lag.

frugalmail 13y ago

* 5% chance they have a new connector to rip people off with overpriced patented attachments (low likelihood only because they recently came out with one already) * 65% ipad mini gets a "retina" display and finally has the resolution of it's high priced competitor the Nexus 7" * 70% new ipad comes out with the new connector to force people to upgrade, manufacturers to pay ridiculous licensing costs and to spark replacement purchases. * 70% apple roles out a competitor for Google Music before the iPeeps realize that things are much cheaper and higher quality in the other store * 95% they copy a few more features from Android and talk about how it's the first device to do it. * 75% they try to incorporate features from the announced xbox one

da_n 13y ago

Here are my predictions based on what I've read and some guesswork, and being very bored. iOS. The visual refresh for iOS will make it feel modern and present a new design language for developers, ribbon, leather and wood textures are eradicated, however no fundamental changes such as widgets. There will be some relenting in the iron-fisted control of default apps, but only a couple of apps will be allowed (Browser and Mail). OSX. OSX gets similar but smaller visual update, and yet more iOS features which are not welcomed by power users (more posts about switching from Mac to Linux will ensue[1]). Finder. iCloud will be integrated directly into Finder somehow, such that if signed into iCloud the default start place in Finder will be iCloud documents/images which can be viewed on the Mac, along with their associated sandboxed applications. If you do not have the app installed required to open the document you will be shown a link to purchase the app in the App Store. They will also finally relent to power user demands and allow tabs in the Finder via preferences. The menu bar will be inverted to pure black with white text/icons and no drop shadow. Although the 'z-index' will still be present it will feel flat aesthetically which will fit more with the new design language. There will be yet more annoying animation with window open/closing, modals etc, and of course no way to turn it off. Core 2 Duo and lower will no longer be supported. Some sort of Mac Pro similar to the G4 Cube with modular add-ons will be announced and will be ridiculously expensive. Finally Apple TV possible update to include an app store and have new hardware (possibly $149). It will be compatible with the last generation, but miss out on a key feature like 'Siri TV'. [1] I use both Linux and Mac.

moubarak 13y ago
i don't know why i feel they should introduce a digital camera running iOS.
- jmduke 13y ago
  They do; it's called the iPod Touch.
bjustin 13y ago
I want many of those changes to happen, but I think you're being optimistic. I think Apple will keep support for Conroe (Core 2 and its contemporary Xeon counterparts) for another OS release. Conroe was one of the biggest performance jumps between Intel processor generations in some time, and Apple used the NVIDIA 9400M IGP to give their Core 2 computers passable graphics performance.

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slap_shot 13y ago

I'm surprised there hasn't been much speculation regarding an Apple TV announcement. It's been about a year since Tim Cook stated 'TV is something we are incredibly interested in' - Apple has sold over 13MM Apple TVs - connected 'Smart TVs' are growing (roughly 25MM connected smart tvs in use) - and Apple just released the CW app on Apple TV. Maybe it doesn't seem like a WWDC kind of announcement, but opening up an SDK for this rich viewing experiences on Apple TV could be huge, depending on what examples they have lined up. Also, since the Apple TV would only require a hardware upgrade (at most) - and is mostly just software, it could be kept under wraps pretty easily. Hopefully something comes up about TV!

jacques_chester 13y ago

All I want is a new Mac Pro that doesn't suck. Yes, I'll pay Mac tax for the hardware.

justinlilly 13y ago

Apple predictions game, fwiw. http://apple.dyaso.com/ http://apple.dyaso.com/

ja27 13y ago

"... and did so by introducing something new. The touchscreen." That's something that still annoys the crap out of me. Long before the iPhone, plenty of people were happily using PalmOS and Windows Mobile touchscreen devices and downloading apps for them. If he doesn't think the Palm Treos mattered, he wasn't paying attention.

fpgeek 13y ago
He clearly wasn't. There aren't that many Treo-mentions on DF pre-iPhone and almost all of those are about kicking the Windows Mobile 700w (which was justified to a point, but still...).
macavity23 13y ago
Right. Speaking as an ex-happy-palmos and ex-angry-winmo user, what the iPhone introduced was the finger-usable (i.e. capacitive) touch screen, rather than the stylus-based (resistive) one - which genuinely was a paradigm shift.
- ja27 13y ago
  I used my fingernail on my Treo all the time. I was happy to switch to capacitive touch but sometimes I miss the precision and ability to use any old stylus.

ksec 13y ago

Will there is Livestream this year?