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Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain
- sorenbs 13y agoI have been reading up on sub marine cables lately as the cable cuts in Egypt has reduced our international data transfer substantially here in Bangladesh. This add from one of the companies in that market got me thinking that TPB should start a fundraiser to establish fiber connection to such an independent island and thereby gain greater independence. http://www.buysellbandwidth.com/groupbuying/deals_detail.php?deal=81 http://www.buysellbandwidth.com/groupbuying/deals_detail.php...
- Nursie 13y agoOoops, we accidentally dropped our anchor right on your cable! Sorry about that.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption
- k-mcgrady 13y agoIt seems the switch to a new domain name has broken the ISP censorship in the UK. thepiratebay.se redirects to a site blocked page. thepiratebay.is works. I'm sure it won't be long until they block it again but this domain change as well as the numerous proxy sites setup to bypass the block go to show that it's a waste of time to even try blocking stuff like this. Does anyone know if the ISP's will be automatically required to block the new domain or if it would have to go through court again? Edit: I'm using TalkTalk
- danpalmer 13y agoI'm on Virgin Media (UK) and thepiratebay.is doesn't work here. This implies that they don't have to go through the court. I suspect if the new domain is being run by the same organisation they are required to block instantly. I wonder what the legal issues are if The Pirate Bay splits into multipel organisations hosted on different domains.
- EwanToo 13y agoThere's now a (court approved) process that doesn't involve going to court for each domain, it's simply added to the block list.
- zimbatm 13y agoIs the list publicly available ?
- EwanToo 13y agoNo I don't believe so, the original "source sites" are all done by court order, so people like ORG have reported on them, but clone sites, and new DNS names for existing sites, are simply blocked by request of the BPI. "Once a site is blocked, its alleged clone sites can also be blocked, but in this case, BPI will be able to practice this without a court order. The decisions would be made between BPI and ISPs and will not be published." http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/bpi-fenopy-block http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/bpi-fenopy-block
- zimbatm 13y agoThis is crazy. I understand that the hammer needs to go fast in that whackamole game but they should at least publish the list of blocked domains to allow external verification. This is a slippery slope to censorship.
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- MattBearman 13y agoI'm using BT Broadband in the UK and thepiratebay.is is not responding for me. Although I don't get the "Error – Site blocked" message that I get when trying to access priatebay.org, it just never loads. Traceroute stops working somewhere in the BT network (just getting * * * after ukcore.bt.net) so I'm guessing it's being blocked.
- losvedir 13y agoAmerican here using "The Cloud" wifi in Barbican Center in the City of London. Same deal: never loads. However, after connecting to my VPN back home in the U.S. it loads immediately. Agreed, they seem to be blocking it.
- DanBC 13y agoIf I go to kat.ph I get an almost blank page with "Error – Site blocked". Going to either (http://thepiratebay.is/ http://thepiratebay.is/) or (http://thepiratebay.se/ http://thepiratebay.se/) gives me an "Oops! Google Chrome could not find thepiratebay.se" (or .is) error. I'm using BTWifi-with-Fon in England. > this domain change as well as the numerous proxy sites setup to bypass the block go to show that it's a waste of time to even try blocking stuff like this. Yes, it's trivially easy to still get to these sites. And all the other sites with this content.
- rwmj 13y agoYou should probably switch to an ISP that doesn't filter. Mine doesn't.
- livnev 13y agoMay I ask which one you're with?
- cadab 13y agoI'm with o2 and they dont. although they have been bought by sky (not sure if sky currently filter/block)
- shrikant 13y agoThey most definitely do. Sky here, and I can't access thepiratebay.se or thepiratebay.is.
- ancarda 13y agoI'm on Sky and can confirm they block thepiratebay.se, I'm not sure about .is, I'll check once I'm home but over SSH it seems to fail.
- desas 13y agoI'm with o2 broadband and they do, http://thepiratebay.se/ http://thepiratebay.se/ gives "The page you're looking for has been blocked."
- bigfudge2 13y agohttp://www.icukhosting.co.uk http://www.icukhosting.co.uk don't for ADSL services
- rwmj 13y agoCurrently enta.net, however I can't really recommend them (beyond the fact that they don't filter). I'm intending to switch to Andrews & Arnold as soon as FTTC is rolled out in my street, which is supposed to be real soon now.
- belorn 13y agoThe censorship in the UK is only there to discourage new or computer inexperienced users. Tools such as Tor has always worked, and will continue to work for a predicted long time into the future. Access to a indexing site of a few hundred MB is close to impossible to censure, and quite hard to even make inconvenient.
- Morphling 13y agoSame in Finland. .com and .se just show "Website not available", but .is works just fine, but we'll see if it gets blocked as well or not.
- lectrick 13y agoWait... Pirate Bay is blocked (out of the box) in the UK? That's rather draconian for a first-world nation...
- w1ntermute 13y agoThe modern UK is essentially a police state.
- wmf 13y agoThere's a lot of cultural disagreement within the first world. Check out UK libel law, the official secrets act, etc.
- darkhorn 13y agoDoes thepiratebay.se. blocked too? With dot at the end.
- fakeer 13y agoCan they actually hold off collective might of media houses and billionaires who actually call the shots and make politicians dance to their tunes, mostly because of they have taken the dirty money? What if the bullies resort to proxy arm twisting? One must remember Iceland was invaded[1] by the British during WW2! PS. An invasion is an invasion even if it was said that the invasion was to pre-empt another invasion. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iceland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iceland [update: invasion in a sense as to coerce a country to achieve desired result by hook or by crook]
- cbg0 13y agoI doubt anyone's going to invade Iceland because of TPB.
- arethuza 13y agoI'm sure something more subtle would be used - like delaying their application for EU membership, which is currently in the works.
- heidar 13y agoMost Icelanders do not want to join the EU. The two political parties with the current greatest following which will probably be elected for a new government next Saturday also oppose joining the EU.
- cinquemb 13y agoAnd seeing as how well the EU has been to the PIIGS, i would say that most Icelanders are being rational.
- jacoblyles 13y agoDidn't the EU give billions of Euros in handouts to the PIIGS? They have unsustainable economies due to excessive public welfare programs and unfavorable demographics. Being outside the EU wouldn't magically solve those problems, though it would let them monetize some debt.
- spoiledtechie 13y agoWhat I wonder about, is they should be the "creators" and steering committee for the worlds own PnP DNS servers... I would gladly host a small portion of DNS spaces on my machines running at home...
- livnev 13y agoI know nothing about this but given that DNS is quite low volume, distributed peer-to-peer DNS services sound really promising. It would definitely be interesting to hear someone with knowledge in this to chime in. TPB could (inadvertently) change the structure of the internet.
- icebraining 13y agoHosting DNS is already mostly distributed; that's not the hard part. The difficulty is setting up a distributed system that can allocate domains and prevent others from tampering with the records (e.g., what if I reply to a query for gmail.com with my own IP, pointing to a phishing site?) One possible solution is namecoin[1], which is based on bitcoin's proof-of-work protocol. But TPB's influence is not so inadvertent: http://digitizor.com/2010/12/01/the-pirate-bay-co-founder-starting-a-p2p-based-dns-to-take-on-icann/ http://digitizor.com/2010/12/01/the-pirate-bay-co-founder-st... [1]: http://dot-bit.org/Main_Page http://dot-bit.org/Main_Page
- vy8vWJlco 13y agoYou're right, it doesn't look like the project advertised 2 years ago got past the idea stage. Assuming someone actually tried, however, I don't think I'd be as worried about tampering as you have suggested... Firstly, SSL and whatever certification system used in the future will still exist to prevent man-in-the-middle hijacking, meaning even if trivial to do (like defacing Wikipedia), I do not think it will occur substantially unless as a form of DDoS (as in defacing Wikipedia), and second... by implementing something like the possibility of manual pinning and upstream authority/record-source blacklisting (a common technique in P2P apps, with an anology in Wikipedia to marking a page/record "frozen" for a period due to contention), it would be possible to preserve consensus, overriding/responding to the current level of state censorship for the forseeable future. If governments more broadly dictate filters, that will change the nature of things (and of Wikipedia... They will be able to change history), but we are not there yet nor do I think we will be there on the order of 5-10 years (and something like this might slow that timeframe). I also think people are getting more vocal about the negative aspect of imaginary property enforcement. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5606921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5606921 )
- jokoon 13y agoalready switched to kickass torrents. people might one day share their bittorrent sync keys, it will be oh so fun
- ttrreeww 13y agoCongratulations to Iceland! Keeping the dream alive!
- ZeroCoin 13y agoI wonder when they'll switch to thepiratebay.bit ? To help make that happen, take a look at Namecoins and the dot-bit.org project.
- ancarda 13y agoIs the TPB accessible over Tor?
- andreasvc 13y agoYes.
- ancarda 13y agoTo clarify, I meant if there was a hidden service. Not if there was functioning exit nodes that can access the website.
- andreasvc 13y agoThat I don't know. But if you're going for anonymity you probably shouldn't use torrents anyway, especially not public ones. There are lots of interesting anonymous P2P protocols, although I don't think people care about it enough for any of them to have gained traction.
- haakon 13y agoThe Pirate Bay's hidden service is primarily for evading censorship, and it's useful in that sense, since no government can block hidden services.
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- haakon 13y agoThis is The Pirate Bay's official hidden service: http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/ http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/ Source for official-ness: https://www.facebook.com/ThePirateBayWarMachine/posts/415744558471903 https://www.facebook.com/ThePirateBayWarMachine/posts/415744...
- belorn 13y agoPirate bay gateway through hidden service: http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/ http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/ you and try it out through the tor2web.org site: https://jntlesnev5o7zysa.tor2web.org/ https://jntlesnev5o7zysa.tor2web.org/
- duskwuff 13y agoIs there any more to this "move" than any of their previous moves, including: * Sealand - proposed only (2007) * Netherlands - hosting (2009?) * Sweden - domain only? (Feb 2012) * North Korea - elaborate hoax (Mar 2013) * Greenland - domain only, quickly switched back (Apr 2013)