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Sony announces PS4 with 8-core x86 processor, 8GB GDDR5 memory and DualShock 4
- daimyoyo 14y agoI hate to be a Negative Nancy, but I genuinely don't give a shit what Sony does. After their persecution of Geohot for having the audacity to crack their perfect little box, I refused to patronize them at all and a shiny new widget isn't going to change that. Sony is not the kind of company hackers should be patonizing. Please don't let the new toy make you forget what they've done in the past.
- TillE 14y agoAnd some great digital distribution features. Finally, a modern console. Even as a PC gamer, this is incredibly exciting. More powerful hardware means you can do fancy graphics and still have plenty leftover for other features. Every cross-platform title benefits.
- polshaw 14y agoIt's great for PC gaming for say the next 4 years, for the first time in ages all AAA games will make decent use of a graphics card/features (with PCs running higher res + less optimised) . After that it will be dire and stagnated again. That is IF these consoles last as a major force past then.. the traditional advantages of consoles over PC gaming are a thing of the past erroded from both sides; your console has constant required system updates, a web browser, 0 day game updates, meanwhile your PC can now do instant-on, has proper controller support (360), an app store (steam).
- Argote 14y agoA proper gaming PC is still way more expensive than a console.
- LinXitoW 14y agoMore? Probably, although it depends on how you define proper, whether you factor in aftermarket costs and whether you already have prior hardware lying around(very likely with PCs). But definitely not "way". The 600$ the PS4 is rumored to cost(yes, i know, just a rumor) can get you a decent gaming rig.
- grecy 14y agoI have to wonder if Sony and Mircosoft are dooming themselves to rapid obsolescence by moving to x86 hardware... In three years it's going to be too easy to compare the specs and quality to the latest and greatest pcs. EDIT: I'm watching the live stream now: http://www.gamespot.com/features/playstation-meeting-2013-ps4-announcement-6403818/?tag=Topslot%3bPlaystationMeeting2013Live%3bWatchThePlaystationMee%3bGoNow http://www.gamespot.com/features/playstation-meeting-2013-ps...
- duaneb 14y agoThat hasn't been a problem with past generations because since the hardware is known consoles were able to roughly keep up so that console users never felt gypped. I doubt most people will even know what's inside a PS4/XBOX3/Whatever
- mgarfias 14y agoOh sure, of course. But the value comes from the software stack. iPhones and Android phones both run ARM procs right? If they're the same, why all the fuss about which is better?
- MartinCron 14y agoIt looks like it's going to be less about hardware specs and more about services and experience. I can get behind that.
- arrrg 14y agoSoftware and network, software and network, software and network. That’s what it’s about this time around. I don’t think the hardware (in terms of its horse power to run games) could matter any less this time around. It’s do or die time for consoles. Decent hardware is necessary, far from sufficient. The real battle will be fought elsewhere. Also, PCs won’t even be competing there. Apples and oranges.
- walshemj 14y agoIn terms of IPC X.86 is where its at performance wise - this is not a mobile device so power isn't a major design issue.
- ececconi 14y agoI don't think the PS4 will save Sony from the mess that they are in. Is it just me? I used to be so excited for new consoles to come out. Now I try to get myself excited about the PS4, but can't. Actually, I'm very excited about the next XBOX. Microsoft has been onto something with the whole gaming thing.
- revscat 14y agoDepends on if the 720 can play 360 and/or used games. If they lock it down as rumored, then no, I won't get one. Personally, I'm more excited about the Steam console.
- MartinCron 14y agoYou realize the irony of buying a Steam console because you can't get used games for the new Xbox?
- DigitalJack 14y agoI think you read too much into their post. I read it as: If MS locks it down, it would be on even footing with the Steam console, in which case his preference is for Steam.
- MartinCron 14y agoYes, that's a perfectly valid but far less entertaining interpretation of the comment I replied to.
- revscat 14y agoI said I was more excited about the Steam console, not that I would buy one instead should MS lock down the 720. I'm excited because Valve has traditionally made some truly excellent games. If they can translate that excellence into the hardware arena then we could see something interesting and new. The 720 is a generational upgrade, but is not, strictly speaking, new. The Valve console, on the other hand, is from someone whom I have developed a good deal of respect for over the years. I'm curious to see what they come up with.
- modeless 14y agoAlso a stereo camera for depth sensing and an always-on screen recorder that lets you watch your friends' games in real time and save video screenshots from any game.
- nazgulnarsil 14y agoI wish there was screenshot functionality better integrated on the ps3. I want some snapshots of Okami HD.
- Lexarius 14y agoThe PS3 does allow screenshots, but the game gets to decide whether or not to let you do it. Press PS button and browse over to the Photos section. There will be a screenshot option if the game OKs it. Sadly, most games don't seem to have it enabled.
- rbn 14y agoSo basically a desktop pc with "Social gaming features" and onLive?
- betterunix 14y ago...and locked-down so that you cannot run the software you want, and the ability for Sony to remove features whenever they want (and you cannot disable that).
- CountHackulus 14y agoThat security is going to be disabled so fast it'll make Sony's head spin. x86 is a well known processor with a ton of corner cases, legacy code, and know attacks that should make this a lot easier than the Cell, where no one really knew how to attack an IBM LPAR.
- keeperofdakeys 14y agoAll three previous generation consoles were almost perfect in terms of the security of their design, the problems were due to bugs in the software implementations. As such the actual architecture of the processors didn't matter too much.
- baddox 14y agoSo basically a console?
- skeletonjelly 14y agoYeah yeah. Tired old argument rears its head. It's a refreshing combination of hardware and software I'm keen to try out. It merges features of say Steam combined with a dedicated gaming machine. Some people don't want to screw around with buying individual hardware, and at the end of the day just want to switch on a machine and pick up where they left.
- kstrauser 14y agoSlow. Golf. Clap. Sony, you finally showed up to the party with hardware that devs actually know how to use and optimize for. While Cell was cool, it took ages before anyone knew what to do with it. Thank you for going with something more common!
- stusmall 14y agoI'm a little disappointed to be honest. Easier to approach, easier to optimize for... but since when has console development been an accessible market? Maybe its a naive outsiders view, but it will take more than a commodity instruction set to make console gaming an easy target.
- jamesaguilar 14y agoPlenty of tiny companies have been able to write games for both XBox Live Arcade and for the Playstation Store. I'm not saying it's easy to get going, but the portion of the difficult attributable to the console is significantly lower than just writing a game. The real problem with having a separate instruction set and architecture is that it's going to be longer before game engines come out that can be targeted to your system and thus you'll be giving the other guy exclusives that would otherwise have been multi-platform.
- robinh 14y agoActually, there've been a lot of complaints from developers that it was much easier to develop games for the 360 than for the PS3. Thus, this is an unsurprising move from Sony.
- Argote 14y agoMicrosoft does dev tools remarkably well.
- gte910h 14y agoAll the console devs I know are happy they didn't do a stupid hardware platform this time.
- mtgx 14y agoYou can watch the event on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noRJ15T4qb4&list=PLE196726F02565118&index=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noRJ15T4qb4&list=PLE19672...
- eco 14y agoIGN appears to be streaming a capture of the official UStream stream complete with buffering animations and stuttering. http://www.ustream.tv/playstation http://www.ustream.tv/playstation
- misnome 14y agoI read this for a bit, and then did a double take on "The new system uses a DualShock 4 controller with a touchpad, share button, lightbar and headphone jack." I know the one thing that I have been missing on all consoles to date is a share button! It doesn't go far enough though, it really should have separate share buttons for each of the online services I use!
- Cushman 14y agoYou joke, but "Record that awesome thing that just happened" is a button video games have been needing for a long, long time.
- drewblaisdell 14y agoThe future does not look like more buttons for increasingly specific functions.
- lowboy 14y agoAgreed. User-assignable buttons or touchpad gestures however...
- owenfi 14y agoYes, or just shouting "Save that!"
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- DigitalJack 14y agoSure it does. So many things happen in cycles. Contiuums are really the trace of a penduluum. We may still be swinging toward "programmable" buttons, but trust me, things will start swinging back at some point, though perhaps not for the reasons we might think.
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- ddorian43 14y agoWhat advantage has the GDDR5 ram from the normal ddr3 in pc? From quick searching gddr5 has more bandwidth and ddr3 has less latency.
- binarycrusader 14y agoGDDR is really a requirement when it comes to graphics chipsets when you want to max out fill rate, etc. Now consider that this sports a unified memory architecture for the CPU and GPU. Armchair programmer speculation: The latency of GDDR5 matters less when you don't have to transfer data back and forth between system memory and GPU memory. In fact, effective latency should be less all things considered compared to a traditional PC architecture. This might also prove useful as a reference: http://solidlystated.com/hardware/difference-between-gddr-and-ddr/ http://solidlystated.com/hardware/difference-between-gddr-an...
- huhtenberg 14y agoIf their recent rework of the Playstation Store is any indication, the PS4 is doomed. They are just Microsoft II - on the surface it ticks all the boxes, but the resulting experience sucks balls. As if it were designed, implemented, but never actually used before the release. When PS3 came out, it was excellent. It was an adult-oriented standalone console that worked well as a media center and it was also really well designed. It was true to the spirit of old Sony electronics - a self-sufficient device with a polished interface that matched its function. Sure it had a hook up to the Internet and PSN, but it was secondary. But then they started "improving" things. First, you got promo ads in the corner of the home screen. Never asked for a permission, no way to turn them off, even by disabling the network connection. So my device was little bit less mine. Then they started pushing "selected apps"- Netflix-Shmetflix and what not. Again, without asking, just because it was good for me, and, again, the device became even less mine. At the same time they increased the font size and replaced that beautiful Navier-Stokes visualization of a loading indicator with some generic spinner clock thingy. Sprinkled some other crap over the UI. Just now imagine your old Sony cassette deck deciding to show you ads for new Justin Bieber album and offering to share shit on Facebook. That's PS3 now. So it's hardly surprising that I have no hope and zero expectations that PS4 will be anything else but a disappointment.
- MatthewPhillips 14y agoIt doesn't matter if they are Microsoft II since Microsoft is their only competition in this space.
- rictic 14y agoThis is a very short-sighted analysis. There are other players and forces involved in gaming than just the big three of last generation. In fact, if I had to bet, I would bet against any of them being the largest force in consumer gaming in four years.
- MatthewPhillips 14y agoI only know what I know, and I don't know (or have heard any real rumors, for that matter) of anyone else entering the AAA-title console market. Of course secrets exist.
- betterunix 14y agoSounds great, but I will not be buying one. Sorry Sony, but after what you did to the PS3 I do not think anyone can trust you or your products.
- Farox 14y agoI really don't want any of those networking/social features and I am pretty sure we're doomed to use them. I think I am going to pass on this one.
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- shmerl 14y agoFor such specs it's better to buy a general purpose computer, since it'll be way more useful.
- grecy 14y ago"Our security comes at a high price: our freedom." "We already live in a culture of fear" That just got political real fast. (From the live stream)
- arrrg 14y agoYay, hypocritically using currently trendy counter-culture politics to market super-violent video games! It truly is the future! (Game’s no doubt gonna be awesome, though. So I forgive their dumb marketing shenanigans.)
- 6thSigma 14y agoSoo.. can it play used games?
- agent86 14y agoLooks like it can! http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-euro...
- UK-AL 14y agoThey should just open up the PlayStation store like the app store. Sure you'd have a lot of crap, but the market will sort that out and they won't rise to the top. It will be well worth it if any small studios develop a hit indie game. That would be far more revolutionary than social integration and some buzzwords.
- chaostheory 14y agoSony shouldn't worry about MS. imo this is why Apple and Google or some Android variant will be a major contender. It's all about developers.
- lnanek2 14y agoPlayStation Mobile is fairly open at least: https://psm.playstation.net/portal/en/index.html#register https://psm.playstation.net/portal/en/index.html#register Console dev used to take special, expensive development kits, although moving to a more PC like architecture will make a public SDK at an affordable price more likely. Probably the easiest way to do it right now is to just use the multi-platform Unity engine.
- squidsoup 14y agoLooking at the Apple App Store Top Charts today, there is a fair bit of shovelware there - good things too mind, but I think there's something to be said for curation.
- blhack 14y agoRemember the Xbox? It was almost exactly an off-the-shelf PC. Those of you chiding the PS4 for being the same thing seem to forget how well xbox has worked out for microsoft. The average person playing video games does not care what makes the video games go.
- dclowd9901 14y agoAnd certainly not when that platform makes it easier for more interesting games from indie developers to make appearances on the system.
- veidr 14y agoWas nothing at all said about when this product will actually be available? Neither the OP nor the five other random PS4 announcement articles seem to have any info on that.
- MartinCron 14y agoPatience, man. The press event isn't even done yet.
- arrrg 14y agoThey said something right at the end. Holiday 2013. As expected, really. Sony will try to get it out before Christmas. In the meantime there is plenty of time to reveal more and more as is opportune. The design, the price, etc. I feel like this is also a cat and mouse game with Microsoft. Who will show their cards first? Now the ball is certainly in Microsoft’s court (seeing as so far, Sony is ticking all the right boxes but has not yet revealed some critical information).
- ekianjo 14y agoMeh, not really impressed. Specs are good but they will not look so good in 3 years time. Nothing really new under the hood. This is indeed a machine of the big administrative company known as Sony. This seems more like the common architecture will favor PC gaming and conversions in the end.
- rayiner 14y ago> Specs are good but they will not look so good in 3 years time. Are you sure? My brother's got a 3 GHz Core 2/8800 GTX/4GB RAM system. Judging from the release dates of the parts, it would've come out in 2007 (5-6 years ago). That could still probably run some great games if developers continued to optimize for it. 3 years ago would be more like Nehalem core i7 and GeForce 300 graphics. Still very serviceable, again assuming game companies continue to optimize for it. PC hardware improvements have really slowed dramatically since the 1990's and early 2000's.
- ekianjo 14y ago> PC hardware improvements have really slowed dramatically since the 1990's and early 2000's. Well you cannot double frequency anymore on chips if that is what you are referring to. But there are more and more cores, and GPUs is where the innovation is happening (and that's what matters with games). A 2 years old graphic card does not compare well with a new graphic card at the same price nowadays. I usually renew my PC hardware every 2 years or so and I definitely see the difference when I do in games and how well they run on the new config. And I stopped turning on my xbox and PS3 a while ago when I could have full HD games on my PC at great frame rates - playing on console then became slow (loading times) and ugly (certainly not as good as on PC).
- JulianMorrison 14y agoSo they built a PC, and branded it.
- Volpe 14y agoYeah, just like Apple did with the iPhone. It's just a branded PC, with a touchscreen, and a low powered CPU... What were Apple thinking!?
- InclinedPlane 14y agoWelcome to every console since the PS2/XBOX generation. Your comment is about as useful as saying "oh, so it's just a computer?"
- ajasmin 14y agoNintendo still try to be creative when it comes to hardware. The Wii was innovative and the Wii U is... unique.
- InclinedPlane 14y agoYou could say the same about the PS4 though, it has a stereo-optical camera, for example. Ultimately all modern consoles are going to be a bit like a "PC", whether the processor is a Power architecture or an x86 or ARM or whatever.
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- mirsadm 14y agoI'll be more interested when I see actual games running on it. Sony is well known for showning cut scenes of games running "in real time" on the PS<insert number>. I am sure that the PS4 can play pre rendered movies really well in real time but I'd like to see the actual game.
- wmf 14y agoThere's a guy onstage playing games.
- sergiotapia 14y agoAny ideas on what format the games will come in? I haven't bought a ps3 because there are no pirated copies sold here in Bolivia and 80$ for a game is entirely too expensive for a third world country budget. I have a 360 because I can buy burned games on a dvd-dl for 3$ a pop.
- mikeevans 14y agoSurprising, they didn't even show the console.
- Nursie 14y agoSooo..... Standard PC hardware but with a locked down software stack you can't run anything but approved software on. Why? I can't think of a single reason to buy this... unless there are some really good exclusive games.
- bcoates 14y agoSubsidized PC cheaper than white-box machines you can jailbreak into one?
- ardearar 14y agoGood thing it will likely have some really good exclusive games then.
- LinXitoW 14y agoA single hardware configuration with a single software configuration is infinitely easier to target, test and optimize for than the free, but vast landscape of PC configurations. Here's hoping the SteamBox will give us all the advantages of consoles without being locked down for the more adventurous.
- yRetsyM 14y agoCan someone enlighten me - there choice of x86 processor, does this mean it's a 32bit platform? not a 64 bit one? And if so, how does this affect them with the imminent change that's happening on desktop moving towards 64bit?
- tomku 14y agoThey didn't talk specifically about processor architecture during the event, but the leaked specs were showing that it (as well as the next Xbox) will have a 8-core AMD x86-64 chip. I can almost guarantee that it will not be plain 32-bit x86.
- Filligree 14y agoWelcome to 2013, 64-bit took over the world years ago. There are no 32-bit x86 processors for sale anymore. "x86" means x86_64 as well.
- OWaz 14y agoNowadays x86 directly means 64-bit since it's the most common architecture. Also the 8GB of RAM directly suggests 64-bit support. I'm curious how much cheaper and faster it will be to develop for x86 compared to the PS3's Cell processor.
- ajasmin 14y ago32bit code can sometimes be faster than 64bit code because 32bit pointers are smaller, use less RAM and put less pressure on the cache. It'd be interesting if Sony choose to run the processor in 32bit mode for that reason, they could also use something like the Linux x32 ABI (i.e. use the AMD64 instruction set but with 32bit pointers). Of course referring to the processor architecture as "x86" doesn't mean anything in that regard.
- yk 14y ago" There is background uploading and downloading, allowing the console to update game and system items in the background even if the main power is off. [...] This is enabled by a secondary processor that allows for background work while the main processor is handling gameplay. " Hopefully one day there will be a time sharing multi user environment, then we will no longer need dedicated hardware for updates. Aside from this, I am somewhat undecided if the PS4 could be interesting. The Kinect+Move controller sounds good, if it is implemented well ( and the libraries are anywhere close to the Kinect ones). And the hardware seems to me okay, roughly what one would expect from a new console. On the other hand, I do not see anything like the blue ray drive of the PS3, a really compelling reason why I should get a PS4 instead of an xBox ( or an upgrade to the PC that sits next to my TV).
- wmf 14y agoYeah, the secondary processor thing sounds odd to me. Couldn't they reserve one core for background processing? I doubt games will use all 8 cores anyway.
- Aissen 14y agoThe PS3 could do that. Except it didn't work well for a few games. I remember horrible frame drop experience on Assassin's Creed, which was due to a game or demo that was downloading in the background. Also, think of the power user case. I'd much prefer a 3W processor waking up during the night doing silent updates, instead of the whole 100W monster (or maybe a fifth of that if they do intelligent power-gating).
- edandersen 14y agoBizarre because the 360 OS just reserves a core for background tasks, including downloads.
- huhsamovar 14y agoNo price. No release date. No hardware. What is this? A Microsoft product launch?
- ekianjo 14y agoThe rumor that they would be using Gaikai to run previous games (PS2, PS3) was actually true. This is no where as good as emulation, though, since there will always be a tremendous lag during play, unless you live next door from the big servers and have a flawless, fast connection with almost zero ping. Net, for most people out there, this will be a terrible experience.
- shurcooL 14y agoOnLive has shown there's surprisingly little lag with most above average connections. We'll see how it goes here, but I'm pretty sure it will be a good experience (that will only get better as internet infrastructure and their servers expand).
- squidsoup 14y agoI hope Sony are planning on investing in many international mirrors/cdns to make this work. Australia and New Zealand traditionally get excluded from this kind of thing, which makes me wonder if this will be one of the first consoles where your location drastically affects the quality of the service. Lousy pings in multiplayer games are tolerable, but laggy single-player games would be pretty miserable.
- ekianjo 14y agoOne more thing. This also means I cannot replay all my PS3 games in disk form (thanks Sony!!) and probably that I have to pay AGAIN to play them on Gaikai (or that it will be part of a subscription fee). That clearly shows how little they think of their costumers.
- jpxxx 14y agoThere were quite a few true innovations shown off in this endless whatever: -- silent preloading of games you may be interested in -- immediate local play of digital titles while they download -- OnLive/Gaikai style video streaming of full disc games you haven't yet purchased -- rolling video replay of your screen as a core system service -- Mobile-style instant system hibernation -- continuously streaming your display to remote friends -- allowing remote friends to assume control over your currently playing game All of these are welcome, but "play the full game as a streamed demo" and "preload digital games of likely interest" are brilliant, wiping out so many pain points from digital software purchasing. (and back to cynicism: every game they showed off was pre-rendered nonsense, their target market is plateauing at best, mobile's strangling them, etc etc etc)
- networked 14y ago>-- OnLive/Gaikai style video streaming of full disc games you haven't yet purchased What everyone seems to worry about here is that Sony can use this against piracy and/or game resale. Going streaming-only is a long-term direction that, if implemented right, could well improve Sony's bottom line and introducing it gradually is a great means for them to ensure gamers don't simply take their business elsewhere when it is the only option left. Take the ability to stream older PS1-PS3 titles. Old titles can be a source of free money for a publisher like Sony but due to those titles' smaller size they are especially easy to pirate (according a torrent tracker the entire PSN PSX collection takes up around 58.7 GiB; that's 179 game titles for the PlayStation). Streaming would eliminate the possibility of this kind of piracy. Still, I think you can make a strong argument that Sony won't implement a stream-only policy for games this generation since in the US, a key market, far too many of gamers just don't have the bandwidth yet. >-- rolling video replay of your screen as a core system service You've got to note that this feature will be "free" in terms of computational resources for every streamed game.
- PeterisP 14y agoForget about streaming older PS1-PS3 titles - the hardware will not be compatible this time, so earlier games won't work at all unless their developers make a time consuming port to quite differenct hardware architecture.
- ajasmin 14y agoThis thing would make a great server. Though, I don't think Sony will ever change their stance on Linux support.
- cperciva 14y agoWhy would they want to hand out subsidized consoles to people who aren't going to pay for games to run on them? The only way it would make sense for them to let you run Linux would be if "Linux" was a game they sold for $300 (or whatever the difference is between the hardware cost and the console sale price -- I'm guessing wildly here).
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- robomartin 14y agohttp://www.theonion.com/video/sony-releases-new-stupid-piece-of-shit-that-doesnt,14309/ http://www.theonion.com/video/sony-releases-new-stupid-piece... Sorry, couldn't resist.
- Corrado 14y agoMy thought is that no matter what the next generation of gaming platform looks like (Steam Box, PS4, XBox 720, etc.) the network is going to be the weak link. If cable/satellite/telephone companies don't get their head out of their ass we wont be able to take advantage of all this functionality. Sure, downloading games and updates in the background sounds cool, until your 10MB DSL bogs down and your game drops to 5fps. :( This is another area where Google will blow the doors off of the competition. Or at least get them to upgrade their offerings so that we can actually use these gaming boxes like they are supposed to be used. Yea, right. Oh well, I guess that the Kansas City folks will be happy anyway.
- gavanwoolery 14y agoCurious as to the price point. Could make a good cheap computer if cracked...
- tibbon 14y agoWhen the PS3 was announced it had a hefty feature set, some of which did not happen on launch, or ever. Things that didn't happen: Two HDMI ports, three ethernet ports, and six USB ports. Backwards PS2 compatability, multiple card reader formats, and SACD support were all dropped later on. Ones that do support SACDs still no longer support digital surround output. I love my PS3, but Sony seems to have quite a history of over-promising and under-delivering with these announcements, and then cutting features that they launched with down the line as well.
- uvTwitch 14y agoI'm not really sure that dropping dual-HDMI, tri-Ethernet and hexa-USB is such a big loss for a videogame console.
- tibbon 14y agoNo, but PS2 computability and SACD over digital going away really sucked. The point is more that Sony sells the systems at these announcements as having everything, and eventually... have less.
- TomGullen 14y ago"Kotaku added that there's also a headphone jack but it's unclear whether this will end up on the final product." Can someone explain to me why this even requires thought from Sony? A headphone port costs like 5p each when mass producing them surely? You get a lot of value added for that 5p. Is this to simplified? Can someone who knows more about factory production elaborate?
- mctx 14y agoI don't think the physical headphone port would be the concern - it'd be the battery usage, wireless performance, size/weight constraints, all the additional electronics, extra testing, and games having to support multiplayer sound, etc.
- jellicle 14y agoSony is probably thinking "Someone will hook this jack up their cassette deck and record our proprietary music and sound effects". Seriously.
- edandersen 14y agoInstead of just enabling 2ch PCM from the optical audio port and recording perfect output from there.
- beedogs 14y agoSo, uh, no backwards compatibility with PS3 games? This is going to put Sony out of business.
- Volpe 14y agoThey hinted at "Gaming in the cloud" that would support PSX, PS2, PS3, PSP... etc Likely using the same tech they use for playing a PS3/4 on a PSP/PSVita (respectively)
- btgeekboy 14y agoIt's not like the PS3 had PS2 backwards compatibility for very long - hardware support was phased out within a few short months, and software emulated support within a year[1]. I'd say it worked out pretty well for them thus far. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3
- Tuna-Fish 14y agoReal backcompat with cell would be really, really hard. It would either cost a lot because you have to put an useless cell cpu in the box, or cost a lot because you have to expend the engineering resources to redevelop the games you want on a new cpu. However, the platform is sufficiently close to the PC that shipping the PC versions with slightly tweaked GPU code should be relatively painless. PS4 should have a huge library at release.
- twotwotwo 14y agoI expect HN to be all over it when this is made to run its first unsigned code, and again when someone has a full Linux distro running on it. Don't let me down, friends.
- hakaaaaak 14y agoThere was a study that came out years ago that stated that the closer something comes to looking real without being real, the more it is mentally rejected. I like the eye candy I've seen in beginning of the PS4 gameplay of Watch Dogs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODJJN3fTME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODJJN3fTME But I really notice the roughness, like when he slows down after running across the street, and the unrealistic smooth circular pans that don't accelerate and decelerate like a normal panning movie camera would. And, of course I think the Atari 2600 was the best home gaming console ever invented.
- kevincrane 14y agoI think you're thinking of the uncanny valley: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
- maaku 14y ago"Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these..." (No, seriously.) This puts peta-scale APU computing into the sub-$500k range. That's affordable by a (funded) startup, and there are certainly interesting things one could do with that kind of supercomputing firepower.
- Yuioup 14y agoThis confirms Visual Studio as the de-facto standard for game development. It explain's Microsoft's recent embrace of Git.
- ne0codex 14y agoSo when can I install linux on it?
- dschiptsov 14y agox86_64 CPU/GPU hybrid chip and common DDR5 memory is nice idea (if they have big CPU caches). I would like to run Linux or it.)
- mikevm 14y agoThis is interesting: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Aparadox3d.net%2Fblog%2Fdirect3d11-ps4.html&oq=cache%3Aparadox3d.net%2Fblog%2Fdirect3d11-ps4.html&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Aparad... > We are pleased to announce that we have ported Paradox Engine and Yebis Post-Processing Middleware on PS4 last year. In order to successfully achieve this, we have managed to develop a full compatible Direct3D11/DXGI/D3DCompiler API on top of PS4 existing graphics API. We plan to use also this layer to port other middleware developed at our company.