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Poll: How old are you?
I just read this comment http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=516949 and noticed that a few wellknown usernames talked about their age, and were in their 40's and 50's. I was surprised because I thought the crowd here was mainly young.
So I thought I'd make a poll to see how old you guys all are.
Don't pick more than one ;-)
- jwilliams 18y ago32 here. There have been a few other discussions around this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=63294 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=63294
- paul7986 18y ago33 1st time entrepreneur. I use to feel old as when I started at 31 YC seemed to only fund the 22 to 27 yr old age group. Though I graduated college late too @ 26, which I thought then too I was way old. Now as I get older I don't care so much, but understand this mind sets comes from society saying college 18 to 24 and 25 to early 30s married w/kids. If you don't follow you feel like an oddball or that people view you that way and unfortunately they do; experience w/extended family. Overall ... Im enjoying my entrepreneurial ride and hopefully in time will lead me to the supposed societal normal life.
- jwilliams 18y ago33 1st time entrepreneur. Yup same :-)
- pmjordan 18y agoIf I'm 25, do I select 20-25 or 25-30?
- mixmax 18y agoAh, sorry, stupid mistake on my part. Pick 25 - 30 It should, of course go like this: under 15 15 - 24 25 - 29 30 - 34 35 - 39 40 - 44 45 - 49 50 - 54 55 - 59 60 or over There seems to be no way to edit poll choices :-(
- kirubakaran 18y agoFirst option is "under 15". From this you can infer pretty straight forwardly that the next option "15 - 20" means ">= 15 and < 20". (why would he skip the age 15?) ( But you have to read the last option pretty liberally :-) ) Now that I think about this, I realize that there is always one guy in every class who sits in the first row, lifting his hand to ask a question like this :-)
- chiffonade 18y agoAlso, I'm guessing until probably about age 45, people feel better about hitting the next age bracket so they'll mark the older one if there's any overlap.
- colins_pride 18y agoI don't know man .. I'm coming up on 30 in August, and I'm not sure I feel that great about it .. the whole closer to 40 than 20 thing, without feeling like I've done enough that really matters yet ..
- randallsquared 18y agoNo kidding. I felt like a failure at 20 because I hadn't accomplished anything or gotten rich, yet. Now I'm 35, and I still haven't. :/
- noonespecial 18y agoI'm 34 and I still haven't figured out what I want to be when I grow up! The graph definitely shows I'm over the hill and fast sliding down the back side. Bummer.
- HeyLaughingBoy 18y agoNah. I turn 44 soon and I still have to do the math to figure out how old I am cause I just don't think about it much. "Lay ordinate and abscissa on the century. Now cut me a quadrant; third quadrant if you please, I was born in '65" Wonder how many know what that's from :-p
- jonsen 18y ago25-30 Take the limit as 25.0000....
- gpmedia 18y agoExcellent point. The alternatives given should 15, 16-20, 21-25 etc. Given this you should pick 20-25 (21-25) if you're 25.
- screwperman 18y agoMost programmers have the habit of using asymmetric bounds i.e. lower bound included, upper bound excluded.
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- Hexstream 18y agoYes. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EW...
- rickharrison 18y ago20 here and I like the community here because people of all different ages can talk without any form of disrespect or judgement based on age, experience, or any other factor.
- adrianwaj 18y agoSometimes I forget how accomplished some of the people here can be. I just think of it as 'the blob.'
- electromagnetic 18y agoI'm also 20 and I've been on HN for a while now, I believe the reason I stayed here but at no other news site is that everyone tries to give an intelligent point of view, and the people who don't often get modded down. I've said things I was sure would get downmodded and ended up getting a couple of points for because I made a good but not necessarily popular point. I've read so many comments here that I've completely disagreed with, but they always give a valid point or opinion.
- Nuktie 18y agol
- mxcl 18y agoSaying stuff like that makes you sound young and inexperienced. That counts more than your actual age :P
- markessien 18y agoSomeone better than me at math should say how many votes we need to have a 95% accuracy.
- nx 18y agoWe need the confidence thingy for this online community giving information about their age.
- tokenadult 18y agoThe key issue is being good at statistics, not math. The data can't be relied on to make such an inference because they are not from a random sample of the relevant population. VOLUNTARY RESPONSE POLLS One professor of statistics, who is a co-author of a highly regarded AP statistics textbook, has tried to popularize the phrase that "voluntary response data are worthless" to go along with the phrase "correlation does not imply causation." Other statistics teachers are gradually picking up this phrase. [quote=Paul Velleman] -----Original Message----- From: Paul Velleman [SMTPfv2@cornell.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 5:10 PM To: apstat-l@etc.bc.ca; Kim Robinson Cc: mmbalach@mtu.edu Subject: Re: qualtiative study Sorry Kim, but it just aint so. Voluntary response data are worthless. One excellent example is the books by Shere Hite. She collected many responses from biased lists with voluntary response and drew conclusions that are roundly contradicted by all responsible studies. She claimed to be doing only qualitative work, but what she got was just plain garbage. Another famous example is the Literary Digest "poll". All you learn from voluntary response is what is said by those who choose to respond. Unless the respondents are a substantially large fraction of the population, they are very likely to be a biased -- possibly a very biased -- subset. Anecdotes tell you nothing at all about the state of the world. They can't be "used only as a description" because they describe nothing but themselves.[/quote] http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=194473&tstart=36420 http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=194473&tsta... For more on the distinction between statistics and mathematics, see http://statland.org/MAAFIXED.PDF http://statland.org/MAAFIXED.PDF and http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=uclastat/cts/tise http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=10...
- pg 18y ago
- bbg 18y agoI'm 34. There's a similar poll from Dec. 2008 at Stack Overflow: "How old are you, and how old were you when you first started coding?": http://stackoverflow.com/questions/327973/how-old-are-you-and-how-old-were-you-when-you-started-coding-closed http://stackoverflow.com/questions/327973/how-old-are-you-an... Looks like that crowd is fairly young (twenties and thirties).
- Silentio 18y agoInterestingly enough, it seems that most respondents fall between 20-25 with the next largest group being 25-30. >I was surprised because I thought the crowd here was mainly young. Maybe there is something about being +40 that compels one to disclose one's age?
- mixmax 18y agoBeing almost 40 I would say that the opposite is true ;-)
- unalone 18y agoA lot of us young whippersnappers like to state our age. We feel that youth, for some reason, makes us more likely to know things. We young whippersnappers are kinda dumb that way.
- MaysonL 18y agoJust wait a few years, and you'll be able to be dumb in a different way, like us old farts, thinking we know something.
- tokenadult 18y agomost respondents Good on you to say "most respondents" rather than "most users." This voluntary response poll will tell us nothing reliable about most users of HN, even if more than half of all users respond (which is not particularly likely). See http://www.edcallahan.com/web110/lectures/litdigest.htm http://www.edcallahan.com/web110/lectures/litdigest.htm (you are probably familiar with the example, but this is posted for onlookers) for an example of a poll with a huge sample size that still got the wrong answer.
- ErrantX 18y agoEquating that example to this poll is heading to very shaky territory. I can tgink of plenty of factors that would indicate both why that was an incredibly innacurrate poll (and polling method) and why a poll here on HN is probably going to produce at least soem form of workable data :)
- mixmax 18y agoHere's a histogram of ages, as they appear right now in the poll. It seems they follow a poisson distribution peaking around 27. ------- --------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ ------------------ -------- ------ ----- - - -
- jwilliams 18y agoHistogram of HN ages.... at midday on a Sunday :-)
- mixmax 18y agosad isn't it? :-)
- kirubakaran 18y agoI think he means the histogram might look different at a different time.
- eskimo 18y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club
- omarish 18y agoWhy would you call it poisson?
- sep332 18y agoLet me Wikipedia that for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution :-)
- bd 18y agoBecause it looks like one (compared to Gaussian it's skewed): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution
- gommm 18y agoAnd these kind of polls make me feel old at 25... I hate them :-)
- dawson 18y agoTell me about it, I'm twenty-six so imagine how old I feel!
- batasrki 18y agoHa, I see your 26, sir and raise you 29. However, I don't feel a day over 12.
- watmough 18y agoI raise you 41. I am way past the peak, though I still enjoying programming as much as I always did. I just use guile and experience, rather than brute force. I'm working on iPhone apps now, and trying to rely on taste and thoughtfulness to separate myself from the crowd (barely working).
- Raphael 18y ago26 + 29 + 41 = 96 Wow!
- mxcl 18y ago27. I win.
- gommm 18y agowell I'm closer to 26 than 25 (2 more months) but I'm in denial over it...
- helveticaman 18y agoI'm 20 and feel old.
- markbao 18y ago16. And I kid you not, I feel old when these 11 year olds are besting me with their jQuery and CSS skills and whatnot.
- nx 18y agoAnd the Microsoft Professional certificates, the iPhone apps, etc. I'm also 16. But I don't think these are very important things to know, then again, I like CS more than programming.
- vaksel 18y agoWell it looks like your original conception was correct: 89.5% of users are younger than 40ish Under 15: 0% 15-20: 8.5% 20-25: 33% 25-30: 31% 30-35: 12% 35-40: 5% 40-45: 5% 50-55: .5% 55-60: .5% 60+: .5%
- DougBTX 18y ago> 89.5% of users Who participate in online polls on Sunday evenings and happened to see this one.
- DanielBMarkham 18y agoI just read this comment ... and noticed that a few wellknown usernames talked about their age, and were in their 40's and 50's. I was surprised because I thought the crowd here was mainly young. Hey bub, who you calling not young?
- mixmax 18y agohey - you've got a full beard :-)
- DanielBMarkham 18y agoThat's great. Using the current histogram, I've got socks that are older than 40% of the posters here. Or maybe, since it is a weekend, all of us senior citizen programmers are all out surfing, caving, working on our tans, and skydiving. It's the young lamers that are here doing polls on HN.
- jacoblyles 18y agoSome of us still have dues to pay. I'm at least 6 months from building and selling my first startup, then retiring.
- mixmax 18y agoSame here, I have been 6 months away from selling my startup and then retiting for around ten years.
- ivanzhao 18y agoyou need to change it to finer selection from 16-30
- davidw 18y agoAge doesn't matter. This poll should read something like "I started programming on 1) an Abacus 2) IBM mainframes, punchcards, etc... 3) Apple II 4) Commodore 64, 5) IBM PC, etc... Feel free to take the idea and do another poll. I'm too tired/busy.
- brianto2010 18y agoJust because it doesn't matter does not mean we can't ask it. It's interesting to find out the age distribution of HN despite any practical (or other) purpose. Its a "just for giggles" kind of thing.
- davidw 18y agoSo was my answer, but it was missing a smiley or two and the right tone, I guess. Tired/busy, as I said:-)
- brianto2010 18y agoThat is not what I meant. Your post is sarcastic and belittling. mixmax's post is curious and intriguing. When I said "just for giggles", I said it with curiosity in mind, not sarcasm. > "I'm too tired/busy." I hope you feel better.
- davidw 18y agoHey, I am definitely tired, but 'belittling'? Not at all what I was aiming for, sorry if you perceived it that way. It was just a random comment about the fact that people's 'computer age' might be determined by what sort of environment they started out with.
- brianto2010 18y agoOops. Sorry, then. I take back what I said earlier. Your first choice of 'abacus' sounded sarcastic to me. I guess I shouldn't judge so quickly. In that sense, I think the idea of how someone got started in programming is an excellent poll topic. EDIT: I was not trying to imply anything when I said "I hope you feel better". Please don't take it the wrong way.
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- batasrki 18y ago(edit) Latest histogram at 50% scale: - ------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- ------------ ----------- ---- --- - --
- cosmo7 18y agoStraw polls are interesting, but full of bias. For example, older users are more likely to be in a relationship and/or have children, making participation on a weekend less likely.
- DTrejo 18y agoThere is also no way to tell how many people saw the poll, but chose not to vote.
- ErrantX 18y agoI have to say the most intruguing stat is the under 20 group. I would imagine one or 2 but nearly 90 people seems suprisingly large. I wouldnt have expected that many people finding an interest here at that age. (Hypocritically I probably would have found it interesting at that age :D). EDIT: Im 22 incidentally.
- antirez 18y agoThe jump from 34 to 35 kills a lot of people...
- dw0rm 18y agoI just turned 24 today :D
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- gdee 18y agoHappy birthday ! :)
- ilaksh 18y agoTo what degree do these results reflect the likelihood of responding rather than the actual demographics? I actually think younger people may be slightly more inclined to respond.
- kamidev 18y ago16 points
- leed25d 18y agoLooks to be closer to a Gaussian, not Poisson, distribution to me.
- geofffox 18y agoMy last computer class was in high school--1968. I have owned a personal computer for over 30 years now. Alas, most of my contemporaries have let the leading edge pass them by. I won't allow that to happen to me.
- dmh2000 18y agoif you had a computer class in high school in 1968, you went to an awesome school!
- jws 18y agoApparently I'm old enough in this population that I will have to end all my posts with "you young whippersnapper." from here on out.
- jhatcom 18y ago53 here. :)
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- asjo 18y agoGraph, updated every hour: http://koldfront.dk/misc/hn/age.png http://koldfront.dk/misc/hn/age.png (until I kill the cronjob :-))
- DanielBMarkham 18y agoGreat minds think alike! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=517447 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=517447 (EDIT) I deleted my comment, because I like your chron idea much better (BTW, what'd you use for the scraping?) Here's the direct link. http://www.whattofix.com/images/HNUsersByAge.jpg http://www.whattofix.com/images/HNUsersByAge.jpg Like I said in the original, glad to update it if anybody likes the 3-D that much better.
- asjo 18y agoCool! I didn't see yours before posting mine... (I get a 403 Forbidden currently?)
- DanielBMarkham 18y agoYeah. You have to hit refresh to see the graph. It won't work if the referrer is an outside site. Had too many people lifting bandwidth and needed to stop it.
- aneesh 18y agoCool. What are you using to draw the graph?
- asjo 18y agoI'm using curl to get the page, piping it into a simple one-off Perl-script that produces a comma-separated file, which in turn is read by a tiny R script, which then produces the graph.
- whatusername 18y agoyou don't happen to still have the hourly scrapes do you? A line graph showing when age-groups were online/voting might be of interest. (I noticed that 20-24 was first, and has dropped to 2nd now)
- edcdave 18y agoThree cheers for the Long Tail! It's not an exclusive club though. It only takes a little time.
- chanux 18y agoJust outta curiosity... How did u put those vote up buttons in your post? :D
- eru 18y agoLook for "poll" in http://ycombinator.com/newsnews.html http://ycombinator.com/newsnews.html
- chanux 18y agoThanks alot. I'm happy that there are real hackers who can remember that they even had a first time in learning something. The real hackers share. The lamers just blame away the "askers". In HNs case the lamers 'reducing points' (at their will). I believe that those lamers think that they are 'born knowing everything' & haven't ever heard the phrase "With great power comes great responsibility".
- eru 18y agoBy the way, pg obscured the polling feature deliberatly to keep polls down to a minimum.
- hendler 18y agoage 22 is peak. After 25 is downhill - though I feel ok. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4995546/Old-age-begins-at-27-as-mental-powers-start-to-decline-scientists-find.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4995...
- gaoshan 18y agoI'm 118. I refuse to click the 60 and over category as those young whippersnappers are beneath me.
- MaysonL 18y agoGolly - more teenagers than 40+ (as of 7:30 PDT).
- catfish 18y agoMentally young, physically old.
- cookiecaper 18y ago21
- blender 18y ago40
- neilo 18y agoI'm 29 going on 30 this year which means, given the results here, that I am on my way down and out. Either that or I'm at the crest of a wave that will move and break as we all die off. Morbid ...
- dmh2000 18y agook, who's the oldest founder of a startup selected by YC?