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I find it very hard to understand the things these AI CEO's say. He will probably get up there and say his companies products will destroy every citizen of the

I find it very hard to understand the things these AI CEO's say. He will probably get up there and say his companies products will destroy every citizen of their countries.

laxd 14d ago
Shocking publicity is good publicity. And "my product is so potent it will probably destroy you." I think I´ve heard it from drug dealers as well.
- kelseyfrog 14d ago
  Smells of, "You can't handle my potions. They're too strong for you."[1] 1. https://genius.com/Justin-kuritzkes-potion-seller-annotated https://genius.com/Justin-kuritzkes-potion-seller-annotated
- EA-3167 14d ago
  It’s a great way to sign up young men for military duty too, sell it to them like it’s something exciting and awesome… and they can’t handle it.
- amelius 14d ago
  Why are we even discussing this here? Altman works in the alchemy sector, not the tech sector.
  - addandsubtract 14d ago
    As long as a post isn't sbout politics– oh wait.
howunfortunate 14d ago
People will say it's marketing but I find Occam's Razor highly favors the theory "they are true believers in AGI/ASI" This seems especially true for Anthropic employees.
- moshun 14d ago
  Wouldn’t Occam’s razor say that the people speaking are highly motivated to continue being paid? Relying on their fear of future outcomes seems to be misplaced to judge the honesty of their statements.
  - howunfortunate 14d ago
    > continue being paid What I mean by Occam's Razor: There are many assumptions that need to be true to link "they say they're terrified of AI" to "they get paid more / longer", in both their own minds and everyone else's. It's a bit of 4D chess that could go their way, but also could go 100 different ways. In contrast, linking "they say it" to "they believe it" is simple.
    - layer8 14d ago
      Justifying “they believe it” isn’t so simple, however.
    - bheadmaster 14d ago
      Occam's razor is about minimizing the number of assumptions needed for a conclusion. In this case, "they believe it" is the same number of assumptions as "they get paid" - just one.
      - howunfortunate 14d ago
        Saying "I'm terrified of my job" does not normally lead fo getting paid more. Those links are the extra assumptions.
        bheadmaster 14d ago
        An assumption is something that we can't know, yet assume is true for the sake of coming up with a theory. What we're assuming here is their intention. The implication (or as you said, "the links"), that talking about how dangerous their product is leads to more money, is true regardless of their intention. They create hype, they get money, that's not an assumption, that's an observation. The question is only if their intention was to make money, or are they speaking from the heart. That's the assumption we choose.
lenkite 14d ago
My product is so powerful, you all need to pay me more money to keep it safe for you.

I find it very hard to understand the things these AI CEO's say. He will probably get up there and say his companies products will destroy every citizen of their countries.

laxd 14d ago

Shocking publicity is good publicity. And "my product is so potent it will probably destroy you." I think I´ve heard it from drug dealers as well.

kelseyfrog 14d ago
Smells of, "You can't handle my potions. They're too strong for you."[1] 1. https://genius.com/Justin-kuritzkes-potion-seller-annotated https://genius.com/Justin-kuritzkes-potion-seller-annotated
EA-3167 14d ago
It’s a great way to sign up young men for military duty too, sell it to them like it’s something exciting and awesome… and they can’t handle it.
amelius 14d ago
Why are we even discussing this here? Altman works in the alchemy sector, not the tech sector.
- addandsubtract 14d ago
  As long as a post isn't sbout politics– oh wait.

howunfortunate 14d ago

People will say it's marketing but I find Occam's Razor highly favors the theory "they are true believers in AGI/ASI" This seems especially true for Anthropic employees.

moshun 14d ago
Wouldn’t Occam’s razor say that the people speaking are highly motivated to continue being paid? Relying on their fear of future outcomes seems to be misplaced to judge the honesty of their statements.
- howunfortunate 14d ago
  > continue being paid What I mean by Occam's Razor: There are many assumptions that need to be true to link "they say they're terrified of AI" to "they get paid more / longer", in both their own minds and everyone else's. It's a bit of 4D chess that could go their way, but also could go 100 different ways. In contrast, linking "they say it" to "they believe it" is simple.
  - layer8 14d ago
    Justifying “they believe it” isn’t so simple, however.
  - bheadmaster 14d ago
    Occam's razor is about minimizing the number of assumptions needed for a conclusion. In this case, "they believe it" is the same number of assumptions as "they get paid" - just one.
    - howunfortunate 14d ago
      Saying "I'm terrified of my job" does not normally lead fo getting paid more. Those links are the extra assumptions.
      - bheadmaster 14d ago
        An assumption is something that we can't know, yet assume is true for the sake of coming up with a theory. What we're assuming here is their intention. The implication (or as you said, "the links"), that talking about how dangerous their product is leads to more money, is true regardless of their intention. They create hype, they get money, that's not an assumption, that's an observation. The question is only if their intention was to make money, or are they speaking from the heart. That's the assumption we choose.

lenkite 14d ago

My product is so powerful, you all need to pay me more money to keep it safe for you.