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Interesting to see what they got out of basically the same camera sensor. It seems largely just like way better denoising capabilities. Maybe that is why they n

Interesting to see what they got out of basically the same camera sensor. It seems largely just like way better denoising capabilities. Maybe that is why they needed the extra NPU in the A20 chip. But even with that they are still behind Android phones, while they dominated some years ago

iririririr 12d ago
until the "denoiser" starts to hallucinate
- LoganDark 12d ago
  At least it doesn't detect moon shaped objects and impose a static image of the moon on top of it
matwood 12d ago
> But even with that they are still behind Android phones, while they dominated some years ago Flagship Android and iOS device cameras have been 1a/1b for awhile. It's video where Apple dominated. Did Android make some huge strides in video lately?
- torben-friis 12d ago
  Anecdotically, my current OPPO find x9 mops the floor with my previous iphone 16 pro in photography in practice. The 1-1 with apple only seems to be there for Google and Samsung, but the Chinese flagships are a step up. For video I think the iphone hasn't been dethroned yet.
  - eightysixfour 12d ago
    Wouldn’t that comparison be quite a bit closer vs the 17 Pro? I thought that was a decent camera upgrade year but I can’t keep track.
    - torben-friis 12d ago
      Generationally yes, the oppo is more recent, but (AFAIR, I'm speaking from memory) the 17 improved just on the selfie and accesory lenses, the main camera remained mostly untouched.
  - Melatonic 11d ago
    ProRes is great but my many years old LG V60 will shoot real 8K video
    - SirMaster 11d ago
      And how will consumers watch back 8K video?
microtonal 12d ago
It seems that in their ranking currently only the Huawei Pura 80 Ultra is ahead? https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/#sort-camera https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/#sort-camera
- makeitdouble 12d ago
  The criteria can be pretty weird. For instance th Xiaomi Ultra 17's main camera is faulted for having shallow depth of field or "autofocus decision errors", which I assume just means the auto selected subject wasn't the person straight in front of the camera ? [0] These tests seem to be about versatility and predictability more than sheer performance. [0] https://www.dxomark.com/xiaomi-17-ultra-camera-test/ https://www.dxomark.com/xiaomi-17-ultra-camera-test/
- kemayo 11d ago
  Wow, with a lens that big on a smartphone I'd certainly hope it was fantastic: https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Huawei/Pura-80-Ultra https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Huawei/Pura-80-Ultra
  - killingtime74 11d ago
    The lens is big but the phone is still the same size.
  - no-name-here 11d ago
    Even more extreme looking: * https://www.urbanmag-online.com/marques-brownlee-the-worlds-largest-smartphone-camera/ https://www.urbanmag-online.com/marques-brownlee-the-worlds-... * https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2024/07/18/vivo-x100-pro-review-great-performance-and-photos-not-great-software/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2024/07/18/vivo-x1...
  - Defolter 11d ago
    Indeed, Huawei has very aggressive "AI" post-processing
toephu2 11d ago
Which sensor would that be? I think Sony's?

iririririr 12d ago

until the "denoiser" starts to hallucinate

LoganDark 12d ago
At least it doesn't detect moon shaped objects and impose a static image of the moon on top of it

matwood 12d ago

> But even with that they are still behind Android phones, while they dominated some years ago Flagship Android and iOS device cameras have been 1a/1b for awhile. It's video where Apple dominated. Did Android make some huge strides in video lately?

torben-friis 12d ago
Anecdotically, my current OPPO find x9 mops the floor with my previous iphone 16 pro in photography in practice. The 1-1 with apple only seems to be there for Google and Samsung, but the Chinese flagships are a step up. For video I think the iphone hasn't been dethroned yet.
- eightysixfour 12d ago
  Wouldn’t that comparison be quite a bit closer vs the 17 Pro? I thought that was a decent camera upgrade year but I can’t keep track.
  - torben-friis 12d ago
    Generationally yes, the oppo is more recent, but (AFAIR, I'm speaking from memory) the 17 improved just on the selfie and accesory lenses, the main camera remained mostly untouched.
- Melatonic 11d ago
  ProRes is great but my many years old LG V60 will shoot real 8K video
  - SirMaster 11d ago
    And how will consumers watch back 8K video?

microtonal 12d ago

It seems that in their ranking currently only the Huawei Pura 80 Ultra is ahead? https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/#sort-camera https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/#sort-camera

makeitdouble 12d ago
The criteria can be pretty weird. For instance th Xiaomi Ultra 17's main camera is faulted for having shallow depth of field or "autofocus decision errors", which I assume just means the auto selected subject wasn't the person straight in front of the camera ? [0] These tests seem to be about versatility and predictability more than sheer performance. [0] https://www.dxomark.com/xiaomi-17-ultra-camera-test/ https://www.dxomark.com/xiaomi-17-ultra-camera-test/
kemayo 11d ago
Wow, with a lens that big on a smartphone I'd certainly hope it was fantastic: https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Huawei/Pura-80-Ultra https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Huawei/Pura-80-Ultra
- killingtime74 11d ago
  The lens is big but the phone is still the same size.
- no-name-here 11d ago
  Even more extreme looking: * https://www.urbanmag-online.com/marques-brownlee-the-worlds-largest-smartphone-camera/ https://www.urbanmag-online.com/marques-brownlee-the-worlds-... * https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2024/07/18/vivo-x100-pro-review-great-performance-and-photos-not-great-software/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2024/07/18/vivo-x1...
- Defolter 11d ago
  Indeed, Huawei has very aggressive "AI" post-processing

toephu2 11d ago

Which sensor would that be? I think Sony's?