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> I have friends who dropped everything to support the Vision Pro, and I don’t think any of them felt like it was worth it in retrospect. Even the ones that got

by AdamN 13d ago

> I have friends who dropped everything to support the Vision Pro, and I don’t think any of them felt like it was worth it in retrospect. Even the ones that got featured by Apple as a result didn’t see more than a few thousand downloads. They should remember that they got quite a bit of social capital within Apple by doing that and hopefully they're keeping those relationships warm. But yeah Vision Pro hasn't turned out to be a big ecosystem so far.

AceJohnny2 13d ago
> a bit of social capital within Apple by doing that and hopefully they're keeping those relationships warm That social capital and $5 will buy me a cup of coffee.
grey-area 13d ago
Because Apple has always treated its developers so well! Vision Pro will be cancelled at some point, it’s just nowhere near popular enough and never will be - the air has gone out of that VR bubble. I wouldn’t be surprised if duo is also cancelled because it is another copycat move which is not central to Apples business and will not be mass market.
- user43928 13d ago
  It's going to be mass market and I wouldn't be surprised if it sells out on launch day in the US.
  - setopt 13d ago
    Based on what? At that price tag, I doubt it will be mass market, but perhaps I’m wrong.
    - user43928 12d ago
      So far I have seen mostly positive reactions. I believe there is a large market of consumers in the US who can afford a $2000 premium phone compared to the $1300 iPhone Pro Max. In China, reportedly JD.com's Apple store received more than 1.13 million registrations of interest for the Duo, at a starting price of ~$2400. I could be wrong also, but I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone Duo sells like hot cakes. I could imagine that premium smartphone buyers, instead of upgrading their phones for minor camera and battery improvements, go for the device that unfolds into a tablet.
      - AdamN 12d ago
        Yeah I think East Asia will drive alot here. That's where the large screen phone trend started as well. I'm also suspect of a $2k phone that also has had to make a number of compromises to support the new format. But the market will tell us who's right and it was worth it for Apple to try. If they fail it's really not the end of the world and they can pivot back to traditional form factors or find another.
      - setopt 12d ago
        Interesting, thanks for the explanation. Especially the China argument is promising.
  - grey-area 13d ago
    I don’t think a $2k phone is anywhere near mass market, esp given the likely downturn ahead.

by AdamN 13d ago

AceJohnny2 13d ago

> a bit of social capital within Apple by doing that and hopefully they're keeping those relationships warm That social capital and $5 will buy me a cup of coffee.

grey-area 13d ago

Because Apple has always treated its developers so well! Vision Pro will be cancelled at some point, it’s just nowhere near popular enough and never will be - the air has gone out of that VR bubble. I wouldn’t be surprised if duo is also cancelled because it is another copycat move which is not central to Apples business and will not be mass market.

user43928 13d ago
It's going to be mass market and I wouldn't be surprised if it sells out on launch day in the US.
- setopt 13d ago
  Based on what? At that price tag, I doubt it will be mass market, but perhaps I’m wrong.
  - user43928 12d ago
    So far I have seen mostly positive reactions. I believe there is a large market of consumers in the US who can afford a $2000 premium phone compared to the $1300 iPhone Pro Max. In China, reportedly JD.com's Apple store received more than 1.13 million registrations of interest for the Duo, at a starting price of ~$2400. I could be wrong also, but I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone Duo sells like hot cakes. I could imagine that premium smartphone buyers, instead of upgrading their phones for minor camera and battery improvements, go for the device that unfolds into a tablet.
    - AdamN 12d ago
      Yeah I think East Asia will drive alot here. That's where the large screen phone trend started as well. I'm also suspect of a $2k phone that also has had to make a number of compromises to support the new format. But the market will tell us who's right and it was worth it for Apple to try. If they fail it's really not the end of the world and they can pivot back to traditional form factors or find another.
    - setopt 12d ago
      Interesting, thanks for the explanation. Especially the China argument is promising.
- grey-area 13d ago
  I don’t think a $2k phone is anywhere near mass market, esp given the likely downturn ahead.