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CCC invites all model citizens to 40C3
- Schlagbohrer 15d ago[flagged]
- pid0x17 15d agoIf you live in Germany and would like to experience this on a smaller scale THIS WEEKEND, come to the CCC conference in Dresden, called Datenspuren, run by our local CCC Erfa-Kreis C3D2. It takes place from 18.09 - 20.09 in Zentralwerk Dresden. Entry is completely free of charge, with a donation being appreciated. It is a beautiful and inclusive environment that highlights not only a lot local hackers, but also a lot of artists. I was there last year and it was amazing! I totally recommend it. You can find more info about the event and the featured talks and events here: https://talks.datenspuren.de/ds26/talk/ https://talks.datenspuren.de/ds26/talk/ https://datenspuren.de/2026/#start https://datenspuren.de/2026/#start
- pantalaimon 15d agoAnd thee weeks later there is Interfug in Chemnitz. Even smaller, but the intimate atmosphere can be quite cozy. https://interfug.de/ https://interfug.de/
- pid0x17 15d agoThis year will be the first time I go to Interfug. I found it while browsing the CCC event calendar 2 weeks ago. I have no idea what to expect, especially because the program preview currently up only lists a few talks (but it clearly says it is still not the full program). Still, even if there aren't many talks, I like the spirit of these conferences and very interesting conversations you get to have with very interesting people who go there. Plus, it's only a 90 min train ride away from Dresden, so if I don't like it, I will just go home.
- mitxela 14d agoIt's called the "hallway track" when you spend your time talking to people around, instead of going to one of the conference rooms to watch the talks at any conference.
- Scharkenberg 13d agoThanks for the tip! I've never attended anything like tyis before.
- FL410 15d agoHaving been to defcon a number of times, I truly have no idea what you're talking about.
- drbscl 15d ago> extremely right wing misogynism of DefCon. Can you elaborate? I thought a lot of LGBT people attend regularly?
- pid0x17 15d agoI was also wondering what they meant, tbh, but I have never been to DefCon, so I don't know. One ex-colleague from my previous employer was there, though, and he absolutely loved it.
- mitxela 14d agothose can both be true at once though
- drbscl 14d agoYes, but not commonly. Hence my request for elaboration
- goodpoint 14d agoIs it specific about DefCon or are you describing the US?
- throwa356262 15d ago"27 to 30 December 2026" I have always wanted to attend CCC in person, but these dates for the main conference only work if you are 20 and single...
- badatnames 15d ago...or 40 and divorced
- pid0x17 15d agoMarry a hacker, and have hacker kids, problem solved :3
- Sweepi 15d agoIts the perfect date for people who see all of their "real" family once per year, at CCC. Lots of couples attending obv.
- flawn 15d agoYeah, would be feasible if tickets wouldn't be so hard to get for externals. Ain't no way my partner would hang out for a year every week with me in a hackerspace
- pepperoni_pizza 15d agoYeah, CCC is only accessible for people who are already part of CCC for decades. There are some token newcomers, but overall it is a very closed community.
- seba_dos1 15d agoI have absolutely no connection to CCC whatsoever and yet whenever I wanted to go to a CCC event (3 Camps and 2 Congresses so far, the first time in 2015), I could and when I wanted to take my partner with me, I could do that too. You just have to be fast to get the tickets before they're sold out, that's pretty much all there is to it.
- lolc 15d agoIn the past it was "The Usual Suspects", now it is "Model Citizens". Back then smoking indoors at conferences was a topic hackers would discuss. Now I'm sure it will be a very serious conference full of grown-ups. Will not be able to attend this year :'-) Have to ask friends to get me a "Model Citizen" shirt!
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- mechazawa 15d agoFor me the smoking hall going away was a turning point in the culture at CCC for the worse. Sitting there and smoking weed with random people are some of my favorite memories. It feels less like disneyland for hackers each year
- looperhacks 15d agoSmoking areas are more a requirement of the location than anything else
- baxtr 15d agoEverything is gentrified at one point. Once there is a Hollywood movie made about the event you know it’s completely gone mainstream.
- mitxela 14d agoWould it be any different if the smoking area was "outside"?
- mitxela 14d agoSmoking indoors was discussed in the past and clearly the decision was not to allow it, because it harms others.
- Mashimo 15d agoI have been to a couple of CCC events in my late teens'ish. Around 26C3. Over all can recommend, at least as a groups. I used it to meet some online friends for the frist time. Wifi / wardriving nerds that I spend a lot of time with online. But man, I think I have never been at a place with so many small negative experience with other people. Death by a thousand paper cuts. One older man out of nowhere loudly proclaimed I was Anti-semetic, because I was wearing a Palestinian keffiyeh. When sitting in the cellar in the "hacking area", friends of mine and me where coding on kismet or aircrack-ng, when someone from the neighboring desk asked what we where doing. After I told him he only lifted his nose slightly and with a smug smile said "Oh, that's what you call hacking today?" At one camp, where there even was an event on photography, someone I met almost went into a rage every time he saw a camera. Not pointed at him, just someone with a camera. Off he went to tell the camera owner about how it was last camp and his opinion .. Everything just minor interaction. But as a whole it's just not people I want to hang around with any more.
- heipei 15d agoThat's just Germany for ya. Source: Am German
- vrganj 15d agoAs an Austrian, I agree with this German :-)
- CalRobert 15d agoAre the Dutch meet-ups better? Wanted to get to why2025 but couldn’t.
- edschofield 15d agoI had a great time at PyData Amsterdam last year. Terrific people!
- teekert 15d agoI always like Fosdem (in Belgium, very close.)
- 749952599760806 15d agoHacker conference: against authoritarian government, with talk about security, privacy, opsec etc. Also: can only buy ticket online with credit card and real name, no onsite sell available, your name is probably give to conference administrator for checking ticket, he will probably give it to third parties or keep it for "good reasons", etc. Don't get me wrong, I like the talks, they are very good. It is just a bit funny for me. They can't try harder to be hackers? Or is it like this in germany always?
- drbscl 15d agoThe organisation has to still pay their suppliers, and have to comply with anti money laundering laws
- DaSHacka 15d agoI mean, DEF CON still allows cash at the door with no ID and manages to make it work.
- mitxela 14d agoDo they sell out of tickets within, literally literally, three seconds? Hopefully this move to the bigger venue improves the situation.
- 749952599760806 14d agoI can pay cash at store, cinema, museum and not give my name. Why not at conference too? And it is not only this conference, all of them require it now. Think about it :)
- drbscl 14d agoYeah honestly fair point Though I imagine it’s more about getting upfront payment for tickets to cover suppliers
- pid0x17 15d ago
- pid0x17 15d agoIf you live in Germany and would like to experience this on a smaller scale THIS WEEKEND, come to the CCC conference in Dresden, called Datenspuren, run by our local CCC Erfa-Kreis C3D2. It takes place from 18.09 - 20.09 in Zentralwerk Dresden. It is a beautiful and inclusive environment that highlights not only a lot local hackers, but also a lot of artists. I was there last year and it was amazing! I totally recommend it. You can find more info about the event and the featured talks and events here: https://talks.datenspuren.de/ds26/talk/ https://talks.datenspuren.de/ds26/talk/ https://datenspuren.de/2026/#start https://datenspuren.de/2026/#start
- ionwake 15d agoI heard security failed to treat someone correctly after an attempted robbery, tbh put me off CCC. Not trying to be negative just hope they address this I was kinda taken aback. EDIT > Instead of downvoting me you could defend yourself, say something chill like "security is better this year" or ask for clarification I have no agenda
- krageon 15d agoIf you want some input; I have to assume you are getting downvoted because you are posting a vague unsubstantiated criticism that isn't particularly interesting and while perhaps a little germane also does not invite further conversation (you've essentially posted "I don't like this". What exactly is anyone else meant to do with this?).
- ionwake 11d agothe problem is it was a very interesting situation, but as usual I dont want to be too clear about it, to protect identities, but as as happened before, I get downvoted or told " without evidence I dont believe you". Im not saying you are wrong its just I guess I wont bother as much, I just sometimes feel compelled to try and notify the community sometimes of something that was odd / of interest, but increasingly its just not picked up on. At some point I wonder if its worth the effort. But perhaps some readers pick up on it and figure things out.
- Stitch4223 15d agoI’ll be there and bring my average model citizen CYBER collection in display cases. I’ve ordered hundreds of thousands of stickers with this meme already. [1] Really looking forward to the event again. 1: https://hack42.nl/wiki/Groupbuy_cyberstickers_2024 https://hack42.nl/wiki/Groupbuy_cyberstickers_2024
- scientifik 15d agoCliff Stoll was at DEFCON this year, would be great for Markus Hess to be at CCC to tell his side of the story. Link to Cliff's talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=656058JxTM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=656058JxTM0
- raphman 15d agoActually, Markus Hess already gave such a talk this year (in German, no closed captions but lots of AI-generated illustrations): https://media.ccc.de/v/ho26-124-vom-hacker-zum-spion-die-geschichte-des-kgb-hacks-der-1980-jahre https://media.ccc.de/v/ho26-124-vom-hacker-zum-spion-die-ges...
- scientifik 15d agoHow cool, thanks for sharing! Now off to find the easiest way to translate the video.
- mdp 14d agowhisper to the rescue - https://gist.github.com/mdp/68cd55abd73cd5dd569f62c96eb3fa83 https://gist.github.com/mdp/68cd55abd73cd5dd569f62c96eb3fa83 You can burn this on top of the video with `ffmpeg -i video.mp4 -vf subtitles=video.srt -c:a copy video_subtitled.mp4`
- senorqa 14d agoHe's great! I watched that talk couple of weeks ago. It's one of the best talks/performances I ever saw. Just give him a chance to entertain you.
- tete 15d agoHoly moly people feel entitled about joining a volunteer run (even things like health and security) organization.
- CodesInChaos 15d agoHow difficult is it to get a ticket as an outsider nowadays? I remember publicly available tickets selling out in like 3.5 seconds a few years ago.
- utopiah 15d agoI don't think there is outsiders vs the rest. Either you propose content, accepted talks or workshops, and you can come or you buy a ticket. Everybody has the same "chance". If you miss the ticket but really want to come you can try your luck at the entrance, there are usually always some people who can't make it but it's of course a bet.
- CodesInChaos 15d agoI remember a mechanism where you could redeem a single-use invite token, which would return another single-use token when consumed, which could then be chained idefinitely. Local CCC groups where given a few such tokens to get their members and friends in.
- mitxela 14d agoThis is still a thing.
- martin_a 15d agoI tried it last year at every slot and had no chance at all. Lots of tickets could be found on "Kleinanzeigen" after that and I think the club was quick to get them deleted and try to contain Scalping as much as possible. With the newer, bigger location, I hope chances are better for a solo person. Hackerspaces have a reserved package I think, but I'm not really affiliated with those in my area, so that's not really an option for me. For now I got a hotel reservation, that's just as important... :-D
- tibbon 14d agoYea, I'm trying to figure out how to attend. I've been PD approved to go, but I can't figure out how to plan around getting a ticket, booking airfare, etc
- lrvick 15d agoI moved to central Silicon Valley where it all began hoping to have an endless supply of hackers building communities to hang out in. I can count on one hand the people that meet my definition of a hacker that do things for public good or personal curiosity rather than profit... in 10 years. It is a buy culture, not a build culture. "Engineers" who cannot install operating systems for themselves anymore and rely on a Genius Bar when they have a computer oopsie. And Defcon... the average attendee is a corporate ghoul who only got into this for money, and has no care for anything they cannot readily leverage to further their careers. Even the privacy village has no idea how to use open source software let alone self host anything and just asks people to sign up to their slack, discord, and google groups. It is a disgrace. But CCC really is the closest place I can go on the planet to hang out with tens of thousands of real hackers, most of which are not even employed in the industry, who just build incredible things with open source as a community because they can. Art everywhere, punk concerts in the bathrooms, their own phone networks built from scratch, underground bars built from scrap wood, no questions asked bring-your-own-server farms, and volunteer culture at its best. Truly, going to CCC every year I can is how I get hope for the culture that might be possible in the valley again some day. I am going to do whatever it takes to bring that energy back to the valley to motivate all the smart minds here that their skills exist for more than creating shareholder value.
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- wolvoleo 15d agoIs it still so hard to get a ticket? In previous years I've looked at getting one but they seemed to be sold out constantly.
- adikso 14d agoThere are two open sale dates and they sell out 1s after the start.
- wolvoleo 12d agoAh yeah I don't have the attention span for that. I do go to the hacker camps sometimes but they don't sell out like that. Usually they're available for months leading up to the event. I wonder why they don't just make the event big enough?
- FLeXMurphy 14d agoToday: CCC invites all model citizens. Next up: "CCC is mostly a sex cult" [231 points, 180 comments]
- mitxela 14d agoDid anyone tell you the story of the disastrous attempt to organise a gay trans furry orgy as a conference event at one CCC?
- robinsinclair 14d ago[dead]
- keeda 14d agoI wondered if that was a pun implying "AI models" were also being invited, given they've been the most prominent hackers as of late ;-) Not yet, I guess!
- mitxela 14d agoIt's often been a pun combining the technological and political, at least in recent years. Last year's motto was Power Cycles. The previous year was Illegal Instructions. The one before COVID was Resource Exhaustion and the one before that was Refreshing Memories.