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> The gap in capabilities between those models which they tested, and actual current frontier ones is enormous. Same story every 4 months and yet still no brea

> The gap in capabilities between those models which they tested, and actual current frontier ones is enormous. Same story every 4 months and yet still no breakout, winning products. I've been hearing "the AI is good now" and "it 10x's my productivity" for a over a year now. If it were true, why aren't the all-in-AI using companies 10-15 years ahead of their competition yet? Why is it still all buggy, poorly designed junk?

orangedog 18d ago
I don't get why it is hard to understand there is middle ground. People are 10x their productivity, it isn't all buggy junk, but it isn't all it is hyped up to be either. It isn't that complicated. If you hold the extreme position that there isn't any value in this, that's fine, but we're only having this discussion because these models have done what humans previously failed to do.
- freejazz 17d ago
  I don't think the poster disagrees with you at all. The middle ground is that there are no breakout products and that the models clearly aren't so powerful as to make these companies not produce shit code.
autoexec 17d ago
Right now AI hasn't even managed to replace all the human workers taking orders at the fast food drive thru. That's a job often performed by literal children and companies are still waiting for AI to get good enough for even that. Maybe one day it will be good enough, maybe one day it will outperform humans at such a basic task, but that day is not today. If the hype were anything close to reality, we'd see it everywhere in our lives.
- wavemode 17d ago
  Funny you mention this - a fast food restaurant in my town now has an LLM taking drive-thru orders. Though I highly doubt it has taken anyone's job, since most of the work is still in making, packing and handing over the food. (In fact, given the area I live in, I partially feel like the advantage they saw in it was that the LLM can speak Spanish.)
  - autoexec 17d ago
    Last I heard McDonald's and Taco Bell were trialing AI again at a limited number of stores. It's the kind of job AI should be really good at and many fast food companies are using call center workers currently. They really want AI to work, so they keep trying every few years to make it happen, but so far all they get are embarrassing social media posts

orangedog 18d ago

I don't get why it is hard to understand there is middle ground. People are 10x their productivity, it isn't all buggy junk, but it isn't all it is hyped up to be either. It isn't that complicated. If you hold the extreme position that there isn't any value in this, that's fine, but we're only having this discussion because these models have done what humans previously failed to do.

freejazz 17d ago
I don't think the poster disagrees with you at all. The middle ground is that there are no breakout products and that the models clearly aren't so powerful as to make these companies not produce shit code.

autoexec 17d ago

Right now AI hasn't even managed to replace all the human workers taking orders at the fast food drive thru. That's a job often performed by literal children and companies are still waiting for AI to get good enough for even that. Maybe one day it will be good enough, maybe one day it will outperform humans at such a basic task, but that day is not today. If the hype were anything close to reality, we'd see it everywhere in our lives.

wavemode 17d ago
Funny you mention this - a fast food restaurant in my town now has an LLM taking drive-thru orders. Though I highly doubt it has taken anyone's job, since most of the work is still in making, packing and handing over the food. (In fact, given the area I live in, I partially feel like the advantage they saw in it was that the LLM can speak Spanish.)
- autoexec 17d ago
  Last I heard McDonald's and Taco Bell were trialing AI again at a limited number of stores. It's the kind of job AI should be really good at and many fast food companies are using call center workers currently. They really want AI to work, so they keep trying every few years to make it happen, but so far all they get are embarrassing social media posts