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I said this in different ways before and got shoveled because of the way I said it: None of us know how to farm, not even the chefs who cook for us at a restau

I said this in different ways before and got shoveled because of the way I said it: None of us know how to farm, not even the chefs who cook for us at a restaurant or fast food joint, but we eat every day and nobody's going around making people feel guilty about not knowing how to till soil and sow seeds.. In programming and other creativity, most people's skills will [have to] change/evolve into managing, directing, dictating, knowing what you want, describing it, and focusing on the end product and iterating, instead of wrestling with why the f is a string a pointer to a pointer to a character just like we don't track the phases of the moon and seasonal rainfall before we can have a nice salad to eat.

latexr 10d ago
> I said this in different ways before and got shoveled because of the way I said it Are you sure that was the problem? Because to me it seems like it’s the argument which doesn’t hold. You’re engaging in what is called a False Equivalence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence Those things are not the same. Crucially, the food you buy at the store or restaurant is heavily regulated, provenance established, safety checks in place. When there’s a widespread issue, we have systems in place for recalls. The differences don’t stop there, and you can’t ignore them just because the processes so ingrained and well established that you forget they’re there.
- skydhash 10d ago
  > the food you buy at the store or restaurant is heavily regulated, provenance established, safety checks in place. When there’s a widespread issue, we have systems in place for recalls I live in a country where those things are not regulated and you have to be really careful to not buy something that would send you to the hospital.
  - latexr 10d ago
    And would you not agree that is a bad thing?
- Razengan 10d ago
  > False Equivalence or whatever So is claiming "if people don't keep learning the absolute basics about everything they'll be stupid and useless" Bruh we don't know shit about farming, how to milk an animal, we don't know how to mine, how to smelt ore, yet every day we enjoy the benefits of other people or machines doing those activities. None of those people go around chastising us the way "real coders" are doing now. Though when automation entered their profession they probably grumbled similarly too… or did they? or were they glad of having to do such jobs a little less often?
  - latexr 10d ago
    > So is claiming "if people don't keep learning the absolute basics about everything they'll be stupid and useless" That’s not a false equivalence, there’s nothing being compared there. Also, I have no idea who you’re quoting, but it sure as hell isn’t me and I can’t find a match online for that phrase. Looks like a straw man argument. > Bruh we don't know shit about I’m not your “bruh”, and when you say we you mean you. Either way, you’re just rehashing the same false equivalence despite saying “so is” (implying you do think the first argument is indeed a false equivalence) so I have no idea why you’re back to that.
amelius 10d ago
Yeah but should programming issues become "how can I be more friendly to the waiter so they give me what I want?" That's not what I want programming to become. I'd choose a different profession then. Maybe I'd become a surgeon because the AI labs haven't cracked robotics yet. And the people in general look up to surgeons and down to IT people, but that's another story.
- unified101 10d ago
  Sadly, you will have to choose another profession, and as your example shows, the better paying ones need 10 years of gruntwork to get there.
xeyownt 10d ago
In which language a string would be a pointer to a pointer to a character? Even in C, string literals are simply a sequence of null-terminated char, no pointer involved.
- Razengan 10d ago
  fuck idk man what I was thinking lol but this shit is on the same level as the "a monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors" meme by now See I'm a full-time coder (since before AI) and even I'm not sure about this shit! I didn't need to be! Is every professional programmer who doesn't know assembly language and machine code today "dumb"? Just accept that as technology moves on, some basic essentials become "baked" into the tools we use, and at the end of the day all that matters is what you make with it. It's OK to use a fork without learning how to mine and smelt ore first.
- BlueGreenMagick 10d ago
  I'm being pedantic, but JavaScript string is often internally implemented using Ropes, which is arguably a pointer to a pointer to a character.
diehunde 10d ago
That’s one of the worst analogies I’ve seen lately
derpyzza 10d ago
...string's aren't a pointer to a pointer to a character. they're pointers to characters directly. maybe you need to wrestle with that concept some more...
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latexr 10d ago

> I said this in different ways before and got shoveled because of the way I said it Are you sure that was the problem? Because to me it seems like it’s the argument which doesn’t hold. You’re engaging in what is called a False Equivalence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence Those things are not the same. Crucially, the food you buy at the store or restaurant is heavily regulated, provenance established, safety checks in place. When there’s a widespread issue, we have systems in place for recalls. The differences don’t stop there, and you can’t ignore them just because the processes so ingrained and well established that you forget they’re there.

skydhash 10d ago
> the food you buy at the store or restaurant is heavily regulated, provenance established, safety checks in place. When there’s a widespread issue, we have systems in place for recalls I live in a country where those things are not regulated and you have to be really careful to not buy something that would send you to the hospital.
- latexr 10d ago
  And would you not agree that is a bad thing?
Razengan 10d ago
> False Equivalence or whatever So is claiming "if people don't keep learning the absolute basics about everything they'll be stupid and useless" Bruh we don't know shit about farming, how to milk an animal, we don't know how to mine, how to smelt ore, yet every day we enjoy the benefits of other people or machines doing those activities. None of those people go around chastising us the way "real coders" are doing now. Though when automation entered their profession they probably grumbled similarly too… or did they? or were they glad of having to do such jobs a little less often?
- latexr 10d ago
  > So is claiming "if people don't keep learning the absolute basics about everything they'll be stupid and useless" That’s not a false equivalence, there’s nothing being compared there. Also, I have no idea who you’re quoting, but it sure as hell isn’t me and I can’t find a match online for that phrase. Looks like a straw man argument. > Bruh we don't know shit about I’m not your “bruh”, and when you say we you mean you. Either way, you’re just rehashing the same false equivalence despite saying “so is” (implying you do think the first argument is indeed a false equivalence) so I have no idea why you’re back to that.

amelius 10d ago

Yeah but should programming issues become "how can I be more friendly to the waiter so they give me what I want?" That's not what I want programming to become. I'd choose a different profession then. Maybe I'd become a surgeon because the AI labs haven't cracked robotics yet. And the people in general look up to surgeons and down to IT people, but that's another story.

unified101 10d ago
Sadly, you will have to choose another profession, and as your example shows, the better paying ones need 10 years of gruntwork to get there.

xeyownt 10d ago

In which language a string would be a pointer to a pointer to a character? Even in C, string literals are simply a sequence of null-terminated char, no pointer involved.

Razengan 10d ago
fuck idk man what I was thinking lol but this shit is on the same level as the "a monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors" meme by now See I'm a full-time coder (since before AI) and even I'm not sure about this shit! I didn't need to be! Is every professional programmer who doesn't know assembly language and machine code today "dumb"? Just accept that as technology moves on, some basic essentials become "baked" into the tools we use, and at the end of the day all that matters is what you make with it. It's OK to use a fork without learning how to mine and smelt ore first.
BlueGreenMagick 10d ago
I'm being pedantic, but JavaScript string is often internally implemented using Ropes, which is arguably a pointer to a pointer to a character.

diehunde 10d ago

That’s one of the worst analogies I’ve seen lately

derpyzza 10d ago

...string's aren't a pointer to a pointer to a character. they're pointers to characters directly. maybe you need to wrestle with that concept some more...

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