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People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of S
by aurareturn 1mo ago
People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code.
So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.
- bootsmann 1mo agoI don’t think this is true at all. Maybe if you have an agent writing some of your code it will be 99% because its so verbose but I don’t think the modal software engineer is a vibecoder.
- weird-eye-issue 1mo agoIf you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer
- yk_42 1mo agoI think this is an uncharitable misinterpretation of the parent comment. I took “modal engineer” to mean “the statistical mode of engineers”, not a misspelling of “model engineer”. Which means I think you’re in agreement that using AI to write code is not necessarily vibe coding and that vibe coding is not what the majority (mode) are doing. But I may be wrong.
- bootsmann 1mo agoYou are absolutely right :)
- weird-eye-issue 1mo agoThanks I had never seen that word used in this context!
- nxc18 1mo ago“Modal” is a word. The AI brainrot is real.
- Hamuko 1mo agoYou can’t definitively say that using AI is making people stupid. It could as well be that stupid people are drawn towards using AI.
- techpression 1mo agoAI is just another way to not use your brain, I think there’s plenty of consensus around the fact that not using your brain makes you dumber. So actually, yes you can say that definitely.
- weird-eye-issue 1mo agoUnfortunately I was like this long before LLMs, trust me ;) And yes I know it's a word, I know at least two meanings it has but in this particular usage I was not familiar with it. Anyways, I was wrong and I will take the L
- vector_spaces 1mo agoThe certitude with which you condemn your peer without the slightest consideration for subtlety or alternate explanations for what you've understood to be true -- this comment is such a beautiful encapsulation of the state of discourse today. In some ways it is the modal comment of the moment. Tastelessness and mediocrity and inability to grasp nuance or feign at humility are on full display, not to mention a fantasy for violence It's a work of art
- weird-eye-issue 1mo ago> Tastelessness and mediocrity and inability to grasp nuance or feign at humility are on full display, not to mention a fantasy for violence You are doing the same thing, very ironic. At least I'm not the one trying to act like I'm on the moral high ground.
- ryan_n 1mo agoHow is that the same thing at all? You didn't understand the comment you replied to and were confidently wrong. The person replying to you understood what you were saying very clearly and didn't make any ridiculous "you may not last long" comments like you did...
- cindyllm 1mo ago[dead]
- weird-eye-issue 1mo agoYou're taking this far too seriously. You'd think I'd committed a terrible crime or something. Give it a break.
- instantlyblocke 1mo ago> and you can't even spell model Were this a different type of social media, I'd praise you on what you did here. But on this place, I can just be certain you're ignorant.
- weird-eye-issue 1mo agoThat's true
- d5lt5 1mo ago"If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding" Your comment from 4 days ago: "Vibe coders like you who don't even understand basic fundamentals are pretty infuriating"
- weird-eye-issue 1mo agoYes, those are not conflicting statements. All rectangles are not squares after all. If you can reply to me and actually put the point that you are attempting to make into words I would be shocked. Give it a try!
- d5lt5 25d agoI will reply when you have anything substantial to talk about except for personal attacks.
- unclebucknasty 1mo ago>Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. >But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management. Coding is pattern matching and still requires a human in the loop to manage. But, any human in the loop managing the "Ai management" is the manager, by definition. Only way true Ai management is viable is via non LLM Ai, so completely depends on advancements there.
- andyroid 1mo agoI don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?
- swazzy 1mo agoit's the norm in my bubble
- juggle-anyhow 1mo agoIt writes all the code but we often have to go through several iterations. It won't work autonomously yet.
- vincnetas 1mo agoYeap, one more data point here. Most of code here is AI generated with some handcrafted adjustments.
- birdsongs 1mo agoMy whole company (I hate it).
- mat_b 1mo agoIt's writing nearly all of the code where I work. It also reviews all of the code (I review it as well). You still have to guide it and hold its hand though. I dont write code by hand anymore (and haven't in almost a year). The job is now about managing the bots, understanding the architecture and keep everything aligned.
- handbanana_ 1mo agoFirst rule is AI cannot make a management decision
- tacomagick 1mo agoBecause it cannot be held liable
- doc_ick 1mo agoHR loves this one trick…
- krapp 1mo agoThat will probably change sooner than you think. Now that it's commonly accepted* that AI has reached AGI status there are already movements to grant legal personhood and rights to it, which would mean legal liability for its actions. Eventually we get to the cyberpunk trope of entirely autonomous corporations that only ever hire humans for gig work and pay them in femtobitcoins or something. * I'm not arguing what that actually means, much less, whether or not that has actually happened, just that it's what people believe, and as we are a belief-driven culture rather than a data or fact driven culture, that belief is what will drive policy.
- tacomagick 1mo agoThat sounds like a horrific dream than anything. How will you even punish an AI model? I think the cyberpunk trope is a bit out of touch from reality, but a lighter version of it can definitely happen where we do get AI companies and entire board coups replacing CEOs with AI for short amounts of time, but in the end people (both consumers and investors) will want something to blame and punish properly, and they will also want control (realistically if you told any of the big people in the AI scene you're replacing them with a model they will definitely reject and claim they are needed for the company to prosper) In addition this will probably only happen on America as most movies take place lol
- antupis 1mo agowe aren't anywhere near lights off software factories, and writing software is easiest domain for modern llms, you can verify results rather easily, plenty of training data etc.
- lnsru 1mo agoYou’re mixing things up. Coding is work while managing is status. Management will force the peasants to use any pitchfork management wants. But giving status and power away will never happen. It’s obvious that there enough managers to replace with AI for positive outcome. Bet it will never happen.
- hypfer 1mo ago> Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. It is? Are you sure that this is a representative reading that applies to more than just a tiny bubble?
- aurareturn 1mo agoIt's probably 99.99%. 99% means I write 1 line for every 100 AI lines. It's probably 1 human line for every 10,000 AI lines right now.
- kakacik 1mo agoThats you, don't assume everybody in the IT world works in code sweatshops like that. Your above ultra confident statements are also not correct across much of industry.
- aurareturn 1mo agoThat's fine. It will be 99.99% for everyone soon except those who identify as an coding artisan. There are still people who ride horses.
- slopinthebag 1mo agoyou sound like a web developer
- huijzer 1mo agoI always write my assembly by hand because nobody appreciates the craft anymore. It’s all hidden by those pesky compilers which generate extremely inadequate code that could easily be improved by some thinking on the programmer side /s I do think a better programmer will be a better prompter just like a better compiler engineer will be a better programmer (when performance matters at least).
- dakolli 1mo agoThe llm induced dunning krueger from you larper types is really funny. Software isnt all shitty webapps is you vibe coders create and declare software solved. None of the code written for a pacemaker, medical imaging, weapons systems, and thousands of other perf critical domains are written by llms in any meaningful sense. Not everything runs in a browser. Three years ago you asked this lol: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36136015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36136015
- jeffreygoesto 1mo agoAll extrapolations are wrong. Even this one. We just don't know how.
- dvfjsdhgfv 1mo ago> People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. I have two comments to this statement. First, using "the" suggests being unique, where in fact there were several similar attempts of similarly low quality, including open-source autogpt even before that. Second, Devin is still bad, in spite of VC money spent on its development and costly billboards in SF.
- boonzeet 1mo agoI still think it’s weird if an agent is writing 99% of your production code. It should be more like 80% with significant review.
- skylurk 1mo agoAI writes 900% of my code. Only some of it is worth merging ;)
- grey-area 1mo agoIt’s really not weird for humans to write code. You live in a bubble and your code is terrible if you write 99% of it with ‘agents’.
- bitlad 1mo agogenie is out of the bottle.
- fatata123 1mo ago[dead]
- catlifeonmars 1mo agoI guess that makes me weird :)
- kkukshtel 1mo agoDevin is/was shit though, compared to the other options available both now and then.