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Was just looking over the Safari 27 release notes¹, which is part of macOS 27, and noticed this: Web Driver New Features - Allow your agent to connect to a S

by Tepix 12d ago

Was just looking over the Safari 27 release notes¹, which is part of macOS 27, and noticed this: Web Driver New Features - Allow your agent to connect to a Safari browser for development and debugging via the Safari MCP server. (176038457) Related (From July 1st) Introducing the Safari MCP server for web developers https://webkit.org/blog/18136/introducing-the-safari-mcp-server-for-web-developers/ https://webkit.org/blog/18136/introducing-the-safari-mcp-ser... So that's interesting. On the other hand, looks like WebXR support for Safari will never come. --- ¹ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-notes/safari-27-release-notes https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-not...

FrostKiwi 11d ago
> On the other hand, looks like WebXR support for Safari will never come. Thanks for checking. What a mess. I'm so sick of the workarounds that have to make.
_1 12d ago
This MCP server for Safari is pretty neat. I think I'm going to start automatting some tasks for our corporate websites.
bel8 12d ago
It's really powerful. I have been using it in Chrome for a while. This is how to enable: chrome://inspect/#remote-debugging
hakunin 12d ago
Unfortunately, not well suited for stealth use cases for personal automation. Here's a comparison to an mcp tool that allows driving your live safari via osascript: [1]: https://github.com/achiya-automation/safari-mcp#vs-apples-official-safari-mcp-safaridriver https://github.com/achiya-automation/safari-mcp#vs-apples-of...
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nozzlegear 12d ago
I've been using the Safari MCP in a "grocery agent" tool I built. It takes the weekly menu my wife puts together, turns it into a shopping list, and then uses Safari to add things to the shopping cart on Walmart's website. It's pretty solid, I like it more than the Chrome dev protocol I had been using before Safari.
- josh_p 11d ago
  How are you getting around bot detection shutting you out? I tried exactly this but for stop and shop.
  - nozzlegear 11d ago
    I've actually never had it trip any bot detection, captchas, or anything like that, and haven't built anything into it for evading detection. If I had to guess, it's because I make sure to manually sign in to my Walmart account before it begins adding things to the cart.
    - s900mhz 11d ago
      This is the case for me too. If I try to automate sign in, it trips bot detection. But if I manually sign in then let the agent rip, I'm fine.
  - moeadham 11d ago
    i ended up having to hot swap in an abliterated model just to solve the captchas and then move on.
  - embedding-shape 11d ago
    Not on macOS but have my own browser extension basically doing the same with Firefox, for use with agents. It's using a clone of my real Firefox profile, and can "ping" me if it encounters a page that needs my human input, like a login page (as I don't give it access to my password manager) or captcha page. Although sometimes it "bypasses" the captcha page by itself, even though I've instructed it not to...
tiffanyh 11d ago
75+ comments, HN thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48769639 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48769639
oefrha 11d ago
Given that Safari needs the most debugging and automation tooling for Safari was hardest to come by, this is a welcome change. I wonder if it works with pages on a connected iPhone though? Anyone tried it? Because debugging on iOS Safari is the most maddening. (No, responsive design mode doesn't cut it, iOS Safari has its own special bugs that don't manifest in desktop Safari merely emulating a phone viewport.)
kfarr 11d ago
True WebXR for the Apple ecosystem will never come. At least that’s what I’m assuming given their behavior so far
not-so-darkstar 11d ago
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FrostKiwi 11d ago

> On the other hand, looks like WebXR support for Safari will never come. Thanks for checking. What a mess. I'm so sick of the workarounds that have to make.

_1 12d ago

This MCP server for Safari is pretty neat. I think I'm going to start automatting some tasks for our corporate websites.

bel8 12d ago

It's really powerful. I have been using it in Chrome for a while. This is how to enable: chrome://inspect/#remote-debugging

hakunin 12d ago

Unfortunately, not well suited for stealth use cases for personal automation. Here's a comparison to an mcp tool that allows driving your live safari via osascript: [1]: https://github.com/achiya-automation/safari-mcp#vs-apples-official-safari-mcp-safaridriver https://github.com/achiya-automation/safari-mcp#vs-apples-of...

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nozzlegear 12d ago

I've been using the Safari MCP in a "grocery agent" tool I built. It takes the weekly menu my wife puts together, turns it into a shopping list, and then uses Safari to add things to the shopping cart on Walmart's website. It's pretty solid, I like it more than the Chrome dev protocol I had been using before Safari.

josh_p 11d ago
How are you getting around bot detection shutting you out? I tried exactly this but for stop and shop.
- nozzlegear 11d ago
  I've actually never had it trip any bot detection, captchas, or anything like that, and haven't built anything into it for evading detection. If I had to guess, it's because I make sure to manually sign in to my Walmart account before it begins adding things to the cart.
  - s900mhz 11d ago
    This is the case for me too. If I try to automate sign in, it trips bot detection. But if I manually sign in then let the agent rip, I'm fine.
- moeadham 11d ago
  i ended up having to hot swap in an abliterated model just to solve the captchas and then move on.
- embedding-shape 11d ago
  Not on macOS but have my own browser extension basically doing the same with Firefox, for use with agents. It's using a clone of my real Firefox profile, and can "ping" me if it encounters a page that needs my human input, like a login page (as I don't give it access to my password manager) or captcha page. Although sometimes it "bypasses" the captcha page by itself, even though I've instructed it not to...

tiffanyh 11d ago

75+ comments, HN thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48769639 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48769639

oefrha 11d ago

Given that Safari needs the most debugging and automation tooling for Safari was hardest to come by, this is a welcome change. I wonder if it works with pages on a connected iPhone though? Anyone tried it? Because debugging on iOS Safari is the most maddening. (No, responsive design mode doesn't cut it, iOS Safari has its own special bugs that don't manifest in desktop Safari merely emulating a phone viewport.)

kfarr 11d ago

True WebXR for the Apple ecosystem will never come. At least that’s what I’m assuming given their behavior so far

not-so-darkstar 11d ago

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