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You would think this is a great opportunity for Apple to fill a gap in the market (and dogfood their solution too). Guess not...

by zdc1 18d ago

asdfsa32 18d ago
This is the typical thinking of the toolmaker. It is not useful in markets. Apple is not in the business of engineering software, their in the business of consumer hardware.
- pjmlp 18d ago
  Even more so, having retired themselves from server and workstation market.
  - coob 18d ago
    Are there more powerful workstations than a maxed out Mac Studio?
    - pjmlp 18d ago
      First of all, not all workstations are alike. A maxed out Mac Studio does very little for audio processing, and the custom audio cards that get used in the field. Second to do the same as many users do with graphics cards configurations, one gets into gimmicks like external eGPU adaptors. Third, Metal has not much adoption among visualisation software. Finally, a Mac Studio can only be maxed out once during its lifetime.
      - caycep 18d ago
        Granted, I feel this is true re my non-Mac computers. You think you can max it out at first, but then there's new interfaces, RAM standards, etc
        asdfsa32 17d ago
        This is apologia. There is a mile between being stuck with 16GB of ram vs on DDR5 or even DDR5. The analogy is absurd.
        caycep 17d ago
        I'm just saying...between my sandy bridge to the current box, when I looked either having to search for older components vs. just building something new, it was always just easier to build something new. Of course this was when prices were "normal" vs. today....
        asdfsa32 16d ago
        You seem to forget the "you can't at all" part with new Apple hardware. Of course, everything has a limit on upgrades, but not being able to upgrade your RAM or at very least SSD is insane that we put up with. This is pure anti-consumer cartel outcome.
AdamN 18d ago
Only if the marketplace makes sense. They can't just roll their own CAD system to use internally - mostly because it's a huge space and it requires working with external stakeholders/vendors
- Someone 18d ago
  I think the only thing that would make some sense would be for them to buy a big player and then tell them to make a Mac port or migrate to Mac only. That’s what happened with Logic Pro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Pro#Logic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Pro#Logic) and (sort-of) Final Cut Pro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro#Creation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro#Creation) I suspect they’d need a portfolio of applications in the CAD space to make that work, though.
  - wpm 18d ago
    Shapr is probably a decent candidate for this, though maybe in a few years. It feels like they are the Pixelmator to Autodesk's Photoshop (Fusion). Though I don't like that I have to "Contact Sales" to be able to save my models on-prem, give me a goddamn break.

You would think this is a great opportunity for Apple to fill a gap in the market (and dogfood their solution too). Guess not...

by zdc1 18d ago

You would think this is a great opportunity for Apple to fill a gap in the market (and dogfood their solution too). Guess not...

asdfsa32 18d ago

This is the typical thinking of the toolmaker. It is not useful in markets. Apple is not in the business of engineering software, their in the business of consumer hardware.

pjmlp 18d ago
Even more so, having retired themselves from server and workstation market.
- coob 18d ago
  Are there more powerful workstations than a maxed out Mac Studio?
  - pjmlp 18d ago
    First of all, not all workstations are alike. A maxed out Mac Studio does very little for audio processing, and the custom audio cards that get used in the field. Second to do the same as many users do with graphics cards configurations, one gets into gimmicks like external eGPU adaptors. Third, Metal has not much adoption among visualisation software. Finally, a Mac Studio can only be maxed out once during its lifetime.
    - caycep 18d ago
      Granted, I feel this is true re my non-Mac computers. You think you can max it out at first, but then there's new interfaces, RAM standards, etc
      - asdfsa32 17d ago
        This is apologia. There is a mile between being stuck with 16GB of ram vs on DDR5 or even DDR5. The analogy is absurd.
        caycep 17d ago
        I'm just saying...between my sandy bridge to the current box, when I looked either having to search for older components vs. just building something new, it was always just easier to build something new. Of course this was when prices were "normal" vs. today....
        asdfsa32 16d ago
        You seem to forget the "you can't at all" part with new Apple hardware. Of course, everything has a limit on upgrades, but not being able to upgrade your RAM or at very least SSD is insane that we put up with. This is pure anti-consumer cartel outcome.

AdamN 18d ago

Only if the marketplace makes sense. They can't just roll their own CAD system to use internally - mostly because it's a huge space and it requires working with external stakeholders/vendors

Someone 18d ago
I think the only thing that would make some sense would be for them to buy a big player and then tell them to make a Mac port or migrate to Mac only. That’s what happened with Logic Pro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Pro#Logic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Pro#Logic) and (sort-of) Final Cut Pro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro#Creation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro#Creation) I suspect they’d need a portfolio of applications in the CAD space to make that work, though.
- wpm 18d ago
  Shapr is probably a decent candidate for this, though maybe in a few years. It feels like they are the Pixelmator to Autodesk's Photoshop (Fusion). Though I don't like that I have to "Contact Sales" to be able to save my models on-prem, give me a goddamn break.