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Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For
- jdlshore 24d agoI think this is AI. It’s not as bad as some, but it’s got that breathless enthusiasm and drones on and on without ever quite getting to its point.
- roywiggins 24d agoPangram flags it. It also talks about "quietly" and "the gap". It's AI.
- notatoad 24d ago[dead]
- orwin 24d agoPretty sure it's edited AI. Honestly for dry stuff like this it's okay, if a bit tiring at the end.
- cozzyd 24d agoYes, a lot of obvious tells.
- bluGill 24d agoAI is fine in itself. The only question are the numbers correct. I'm not sure how to validate them. The facts count the most important. The second is the article readable without being too wordy or any other such problems.
- jdlshore 24d agoProblem is, if they didn’t put in the effort to write the article, how can I trust that they put in the effort to verify the facts? Not to mention that the article is terribly verbose and never gets to its point (by the time I gave up, that is, quite a long way through). Writing is how you organize your thoughts, and it’s not been done here.
- semiquaver 23d agoIt’s not even edited, pangram rates it 100% bot-authored.
- supahfly_remix 24d ago> The EU now runs on roughly 44 percent less energy per euro of output than it did in 1995, and more than a third of that improvement has landed since 2019 alone. Is this really a de-industrialization story? Is manufacturing much more efficient since that time, or has the economy moved onto other less energy intensive tasks, say through outsourcing them to Asia?
- delichon 24d ago> Every euro of EU output now takes 44% less energy than it did in 1995, and more than a third of that improvement has landed since 2019. This is positioned as the key fact of the whole argument, presented first and repeated. But they do not attempt an equivalent US figure. So here's mine. https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec1_19.pdf https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec1_19.pdf 1K BTU Consumption per $ of GDP 1995: 7.77 2025: 4.04 4.04 / 7.77 ≈ 0.52, so the U.S. uses about 48% less energy per dollar than in 1995, versus 44% per euro for the EU. So pretty much the same as across the pond.
- PunchTornado 24d agoGood point. One could counter with the fact that US transitioned to service based and software while EU kept the heavy industry (more) while doing the change
- karmakurtisaani 24d agoAnd probably both of these can be explained largely by the fact that most of the energy intensive production happens now in Asia.
- bluGill 24d agoThey used and installed a fair amount of renewable energy since then. Plus, the similar efficiency gains in the EU and the article have also happened in the US. While there hasn't been government encouragement directly, there have been a lot of things that cause it to happen anyway.
- vlovich123 24d agoInstalling renewable energy doesn’t change the amount of energy required. The shift to Asia is almost certainly the bulk of it
- bluGill 24d agoIt changes the amount of oil used which is the more important consultation
- braingravy 24d agoIf ever there was a time to insert a few key visuals to illustrate your point…
- yunnpp 24d agoBut today, sir, is not that time. Today, we march.
- roywiggins 24d agoai; dr, sorry
- baxtr 24d ago> Gas set the price of electricity in 15% of hours in Spain this year against 89% in Italy, and when Hormuz closed, Spain grew 0.7% while Italy got flagged as the eurozone's most exposed economy. It's a shame that Italy spent so little on solar compared to Spain. Sun shining there as well last time I checked.
- Imaiomus 24d agoDont worry, if ultras wins next year election in sPain they will tax sun again, so shame levels will equalize.
- megous 24d agoWe'll see after the winter. Industrial decline may also lead to reductions in energy use. And increased costs in coutnries where EU "exported" it's energy heavy industry may come back and bite, too. I would not make conclusions from a short 5 month price shock.
- 0x_rs 24d agoCTRL+F "manufacturing": 0 results for a website called "oilprice", instead it has this line: "An economy that produces more while burning less isn't stagnating…it's just getting more efficient, and there's no headline number for that, so it mostly doesn't get written about.", which is false, these are different things. EU economy shifted from manufacturing to services in the past decades and especially after the GFC (from which it never recovered in some sectors), losing millions of those jobs in the process, and an output decline in the 20% range, France leading the way with the industrialization collapse. Services are inherently less energy sensitive than manufacturing and there's no question the latter, already struggling, hit another wall in 2022 because the continent has zero energy independence. If you cannot produce your energy your manufacturing will always be at the mercy of macroeconomic events, and your consumption will always depend on another country's production. It takes 20 seconds to generate an AI article full of fabrications but orders of magnitude more to properly correct it..
- amryl 24d agoMaybe search for "industrial" or "factory" instead...
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- semiquaver 24d agoObvious claude slop; 100% bot authored according to pangram
- paganel 24d agoThere's a general malaise throughout this continent of Europe that neither these journos nor most of the (quite financially well-off) computer programmers from forums like this one are willing to look up straight in the face. The 40% AfD vote in Eastern Germany is just a local manifestation of that, the truth is that us, the normies, people are royally scared about our (financial and not only) futures have been left almost no-where else to go. And the squeeze on the energy we consume is a big factor behind all that.
- derriz 24d ago> have been left almost no-where else to go I’m pretty sure that there are political alternatives to afd’s ethno-nationalism, climate change denialism and Putin-worship
- paganel 23d agoThere are? Which ones? Are they going to make our lives livable?
- derriz 23d agoIs supporting a racist, science-denying, authoritarian and xenophobic party which views Germany's European neighbors and allies as threats to its prosperity going to do so? When has strident ethno-nationalism delivered more livable lives to Germans? I'm just not convinced with this "no alternative" narrative for supporting political movements which leverage hate and conspiracies. Be honest with yourself and own your opinions and views instead of claiming victimhood and blaming the political landscape for not offering you alternatives and forcing you to passively adopt a bunch of ugly views and positions.
- api 23d agoI keep worrying that right around the time the USA wakes up from this madness and restores the proper names of Lake Ontario and the Gulf of Mexico, Europe is going to be like “hold my beer.”
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