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that is incredibly depressing
by pvab3 20d ago
that is incredibly depressing
- nmeagent 20d agoYep. Perhaps humanity would be better off if we instituted and enforced the notion of "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." It's worth thinking about; just because we can build AI systems doesn't mean we should.
- mxkopy 20d agoThe technology is fine, great even. It’s the rabid greed of venture capital and sociopathic CEOs that try to integrate themselves into every aspect of our lives for profit, that’s the problem. “For 19.99 a month you too can be a world class mathematician!” Meanwhile they are extinct.
- demibabs 20d agoI think it would be depressing in its own way if this technology just ended up being regulated out of existence.
- vips7L 20d agoWhy what benefit has it brought? Mass anxiety?
- Turfie 20d agoYes, and mass excitement
- YeGoblynQueenne 20d agoDon't you mean mass investment?
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- kaffekaka 20d agoYes. In the best possible world AI could enable a much better future, but currently we are on a quite bad trajectory.
- JumpCrisscross 20d ago> what benefit has it brought? I mean, we have a Millenium problem that is most likely solved. Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could.
- vips7L 20d agoWe should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?
- JumpCrisscross 20d ago> We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work? No. We should credit that work is being done that otherwise may not be. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm defending AI in general, something both OpenAI and Buckmaster (and his co-author) used.
- vips7L 20d agoYou literally said they _stole_ the work. Why should we give credit to that?
- JumpCrisscross 19d ago> You literally said they _stole_ the work No, I did not. If someone says either X or Y happened, they didn't say X happened. My exact statement: "Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could" [1]. (Either X, Y [a and b] or Z. An Oxford comma could have helped.) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523
- vips7L 19d agoSo if Y happened (they stole it), why should we be happy about that? Why should we give them credit in the situation where they stole it? Why is that good for society?
- applfanboysbgon 20d agoThe problem with technology is that the people who have it conquer and kill all the people who don't, essentially ensuring a destructive race to the bottom. You would need a mutual international alliance of nations who not only renounce the technology but also agree to invade anyone who attempts to develop it. Our closest precedent is nuclear weapons, but rather than renouncing them, the US's position is that "only we should have them" and that other people acquiring the same tech they have are valid targets for invasion, and they will obviously apply that notion to any new technology that can be weaponised as well.
- simianparrot 20d agoGoogle which countries have nuclear weapons. Hint: It’s not just the US, it’s also its allies and frenemies who’ve not been invaded. It’s only nutball countries like Iran that get invaded when on the cusp of acquiring it and for good reason.
- FreePalestine1 20d agoTry googling which country was the only country to use nukes. Hint: it's another nutball country. There is strong evidence that Iran was not as close to a nuclear weapon as you say. We will find out the truth eventually, like we found out that the WMDs in Iraq claim was a complete lie.
- deaux 20d agoAh yes, such nutball countries who have apparently been on the cusp for 30 years. Wild definition of cusp for sure.
- pfdietz 20d agoThe consequences of that invasion debunks the claim it was done "for good reason". It seems to have been done without use of reason at all.
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- int_19h 20d agoI would remind you that the fictional society that did this was also described as a feudal monarchy in which a tiny class of nobles exploits the economic output of trillions of people reduced to serfs by controlling all means of interstellar trade. Oh, and they also have legal slavery.
- laughingcurve 20d ago“B-b-b-but muh pop culture trope” Thank you for commenting this. I'm tired of hearing about Dune like its some kind of utopia
- achierius 20d agoDo you seriously think that's that people mean when they quote that?
- int_19h 20d agoOf course they don't, but if you choose to use a work of fiction as an illustration, it comes as a coherent package (assuming the author did a good job at worldbuilding) - you can't just take the bits you like and ignore the bits you don't and still have something coherent.
- jackie293746 20d agoWhat a stupid pov lmao
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- silver_silver 20d agoThe implication in the book is that the exploitation enabled by AI in their history was somehow even worse.
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- munksbeer 20d agoI feel the opposite. Human history is depressing overall. I imagine AI will eventually lead to less scarcity and better lives overall.
- reasonableklout 20d agoI am sure it will lead to more material wealth, but I can’t help but feel pessimistic about the political economy of making millions of people redundant. What leverage will knowledge workers have in the new world?