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New York thoracic surgeon: "For many patients 9/11 is not over"
- dbt00 26d agoJon Stewart to his credit has done a tremendous amount of work on this.
- thenayr 26d agoRepublicans, to their discredit, have not.
- recursivegirth 26d ago[flagged]
- gucci-on-fleek 25d agoHmm, I don't think that I've ever seen dang moderate a comment that is politely worded, on-topic, and non-malicious. You could argue that of comments that break the rules, dang is more likely to moderate ones on specific "sides" (I don't believe this, but it could be true), but as long as you follow the rules, you should be able to express whatever political views you want. As far as I can tell, the comment you replied to doesn't break any rules, so I can't see why dang would ever moderate it. I don't think that it's a good comment since it's neither "intellectually interesting" or "thoughtful and substantive", but it's still on-topic and polite, so it should be fine. (Comments expressing certain political views do tend to be downvoted/flagged, but that's all done by users and has nothing to do with the moderators. But I don't think that there's really anything to be done here, because any group of people is going to have people who will downvote anything that they disagree with.)
- recursivegirth 25d agoHistorical facts would disagree vehemently with you. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=political%20%22site%20is%20for%22%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
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- e40 25d agoThe clearly doesn’t support your assertion. “Repeatedly” is a missing ingredient here.
- Insanity 26d ago[flagged]
- 40four 26d agoReader mode circumvents the pay wall on many news sites, including this one :)
- donohoe 26d agoIt was not paywalled for me. To your other point, sure, but you can see the normal rate of cancer in a population over time and then see the spikes in the years directly after 2001. The distinction is that the strongest evidence is among responders, workers, residents, and others who were directly exposed, rather than showing that cancer suddenly increased across all of NYC.
- Insanity 26d agoGotcha, I guess that does point at more impact from the event itself. There is a login-wall for me (not technically paywall), asking me to create an account.
- EA-3167 26d agoThat article isn’t paywalled.
- T0Bi 26d agoIt's "login-walled" for me as well.
- EA-3167 26d agoWith an x at the top right… if you click it then it goes away and doesn’t bother you again. Realistically if you want the level of professionalism and coverage a site like Stat produces you are going to have to pay for some of it. The alternative is the “free” internet which is increasingly worthless slop.
- layer8 26d agohttps://archive.ph/I6vOQ https://archive.ph/I6vOQ
- PaulKeeble 26d agoGovernments and medicine tend to track deaths as the only bad outcome from events like 9/11 or Covid. But typically there are a lot more people injured who suffer for the rest of their lives with the consequences, damage and chronic conditions that these events have left them with. We do need to put a lot more research into understanding and improving the quality of life of those with chronic conditions, Historically they have been ignored and are currently highly stigmatised by governments, the press and the populace. Diseases that lead to death have had substantially better funding over the past 100s of years and chronic conditions are often rarely diagnosed, properly recognised let alone treated. The disabled is a club almost everyone joins at some point in there life and everyone is one accident or infection away from joining it for the the rest of their life. At the moment societies recognition and treatment of those with these conditions is really bad. The 9/11 survivors will be suffering for the rest of their lives. Medicine is something we all want, but at the moment the amount invested by governments is quite low compared to the upside impact on humanity of finding real answers.
- ericmcer 26d agoI totally agree with you, it is important for people to understand that a medical doctor does not really care if you can walk a mile without pain, but it is way too nuanced to track quality of life changes across a large population. We would need to change the insurance landscape and make it easier for other medical practitioners to get insurance money and let it naturally change. If even a little bit of the insurance money could start funneling into things like physical therapy (actual physical therapy not the BS artists at big hospitals who print you out a sheet of generic exercises) people could see practitioners who actually care about you being functional. I tore my achilles and saw a string of doctors, podiatrists, physical therapists, chiropractors, etc. before finally finding someone that doesn't take insurance but who had me running again within a few months. He was cheap compared to the amount my insurance was being billed for a chiropractor to try and sell me $500 custom insoles. The money is there it is just being funneled in all the wrong ways.
- atleastoptimal 26d agoI'm sure the cost to give every ground zero worker clean-room level suits with a built in filter would have been 1/100000th the total cost compared to the medical expense of treating them over the next 25 years.
- afavour 26d agoEven the kind of masks we all got used to during COVID (KN95 etc) would have probably done wonders compared to the nothing they were given.
- amluto 26d agoClean room equipment is kind of the opposite of what was needed. Clean room equipment protects the room from the people. What’s was needed was likely pretty basic PPE: P100 respirators along with outer clothing that would be kept out of people’s homes and showers when leaving the site. (PAPRs would have been even better, but they wouldn’t have been cheap or available in large numbers on short notice.) Unfortunately, if you watch modern construction workers, you’ll find that PPE is almost universally ignored when performing common but dangerous tasks like cutting concrete or lead-painted surfaces.
- pvab3 26d agoI've been well served by just using a P100 respirator when I'm doing anything dirty or dusty. There have been a few times that it's reduced exposure to something bad that I didn't know about, among them removing old shingles from my attic (asbestos composite material) or sanding paint that I had tested negative for lead (transparent varnish underneath had lead).
- amluto 26d ago> transparent varnish underneath had lead Weird. Wasn’t lead typically used as an opacifying agent? In any case, if you test by taking a little scraping, you can only detect lead that you actually scraped. But if you test with X-ray fluorescence, you get an integrated density over a decent thickness. Also, even if the P100 respirator protects you adequately while sanding, it provides no protection against future exposure to the dust that you create.
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- Robotbeat 26d agoI bet that happened for no reason at all, just like how the US went into Afghanistan for no reason in 2001. (Sarcasm aside, there obviously are big problems for how these 2 nations responded to the massive terrorist attacks. But I kind of think it’s questionable to pretend there was no big terrorist attack that triggered the response...)
- officeplant 26d ago> just like how the US went into Afghanistan for no reason in 2001. We did go there for no reason since they weren't involved in 9/11.
- DaveFr 26d agoThe Taliban hosted al Qaeda and sheltered bin Laden, they were plenty involved.
- thrance 26d agoYeah, and 9/11 happened for no reason either. Same with October 7th. We are always downstream of a past violence. Let's stop with the simplistic "they started it, so we are allowed to kill thousands of them", and maybe then we can start building a better world.
- throw310822 26d agoDo you also bet that 9/11 happened for no reason at all?
- Lumich 25d ago« the US went into Afghanistan for no reason in 2001 » — Reason was the Taliban had destroyed the poppy fields which had been providing a nice windfall for the CIA and the US economy (through money laundering, see Catherine Austin Fitts), and which is also a means to bring about "social change" provided you control where the drugs are funneled to.
- ck2 26d agoI guess the key thing to the 9/11 event is it was sudden and instant 1.5 Million people died from Covid, not just died but SUFFERED and died from 2020-2024 there was a 9/11 every other day for years, sometimes every day there are STILL in 2026 several hundred per month dying from Covid there are still ten million people or more living the hell of long-covid and will never recover but because Covid was spread out over years, not a single memorial, it will never be over
- jimkleiber 26d agoAnd the fear was visible and public. We watched planes hit our tallest buildings live on TV and the horrors that ensued. It was publicly visceral in a way that an invisible virus, which has had people struggling in relative privacy and obscurity, hasn't been.
- ck2 26d agothe news media also played it on endless loops for months in my life I've been notably traumatized first by the endless loops of the Challenger tragedy and then 9/11, I often wonder what the next event will be I should also point out we also killed a million people in Iraq in response to 9/11 who will never ever have a memorial, Bush/Cheney would never ever have had the military enlistment to invade Iraq if it wasn't for the hype of 9/11 by the media, even Bush has mentioned it himself
- jimkleiber 26d agoFair point, we don't televise their deaths especially in such a visceral and repeated way and therefore it can feel more distant. I still think if we showed people dying from covid in the more gruesome way, it may have changed our response to it, just as if we show any human or being dying in a gruesome way.
- Lumich 26d ago« we don't televise their deaths » — Wikileaks did, at least tried to, but bravely filling in these gaps in the footage had regrettable consequences. Assange had to stay a couple years imprisoned in am embassy till they struck a deal. Bradley Manning got a different deal, involving castration.