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How does removing access to Clause equate to dehumanizing children?

matheusmoreira 21d ago
It's dehumanizing because it feels like you're an incomplete human with no agency. When I was a teenager, there was nothing I hated more than obnoxious adults deciding for me what I could or couldn't do. I did literally everything in my power to circumvent them.
- azan_ 21d ago
  Children absolutely should have less agency than adults.
  - whazor 21d ago
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  - mdp2021 20d ago
    "Minors" should have less agency than adults, but the state of "minor" vs adult does not follow the plain age. (And of course there exist many dimensions of maturity.) (In fact, in some educational systems, the final examination in pre-University schools is called "Maturity test".)
- jbs789 21d ago
  we are all incomplete human beings with limited agency. protecting minors us about understanding stages of development.
  - matheusmoreira 21d ago
    I don't want or need governments and corporations to "understand" my development. I'll take care of that myself, thanks.
  - cmiles74 21d ago
    The larger the list of thing minors cannot do, the more they will resent the constraints.
Hizonner 20d ago
It's not just Claude. It's being cut off from every part of society except a carefully curated "child ghetto". In which you stay until the day you turn 18. At which point you're shoved out into the outside world. Possibly cut off from all your existing contacts, in fact, since now you're an "adult" and it's presumed dangerous for you to interact with a "child" in any noninstitutional way. Yes, most of society is online nowadays, or at least is hard to engage in if you can't access the online stuff that organizes it.
- Marsymars 20d ago
  > Yes, most of society is online nowadays, or at least is hard to engage in if you can't access the online stuff that organizes it. I think there's an analogy to physical roads there. Most of society is connecting by roads and adults driving cars, but that doesn't prevent children from participating in the things between the driving.
  - Hizonner 19d ago
    Lack of access to take a bus or permission to walk anywhere is another form of the same disease.

It's dehumanizing because it feels like you're an incomplete human with no agency. When I was a teenager, there was nothing I hated more than obnoxious adults deciding for me what I could or couldn't do. I did literally everything in my power to circumvent them.

azan_ 21d ago
Children absolutely should have less agency than adults.
- whazor 21d ago
  [dead]
- mdp2021 20d ago
  "Minors" should have less agency than adults, but the state of "minor" vs adult does not follow the plain age. (And of course there exist many dimensions of maturity.) (In fact, in some educational systems, the final examination in pre-University schools is called "Maturity test".)
jbs789 21d ago
we are all incomplete human beings with limited agency. protecting minors us about understanding stages of development.
- matheusmoreira 21d ago
  I don't want or need governments and corporations to "understand" my development. I'll take care of that myself, thanks.
- cmiles74 21d ago
  The larger the list of thing minors cannot do, the more they will resent the constraints.

Hizonner 20d ago

It's not just Claude. It's being cut off from every part of society except a carefully curated "child ghetto". In which you stay until the day you turn 18. At which point you're shoved out into the outside world. Possibly cut off from all your existing contacts, in fact, since now you're an "adult" and it's presumed dangerous for you to interact with a "child" in any noninstitutional way. Yes, most of society is online nowadays, or at least is hard to engage in if you can't access the online stuff that organizes it.

Marsymars 20d ago
> Yes, most of society is online nowadays, or at least is hard to engage in if you can't access the online stuff that organizes it. I think there's an analogy to physical roads there. Most of society is connecting by roads and adults driving cars, but that doesn't prevent children from participating in the things between the driving.
- Hizonner 19d ago
  Lack of access to take a bus or permission to walk anywhere is another form of the same disease.