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The core reason to enforce trademarks is not to fluff the corporation that holds it but to let the public be confident in the name. So the trademark should hold
by blfr 23d ago
The core reason to enforce trademarks is not to fluff the corporation that holds it but to let the public be confident in the name. So the trademark should hold for as long as a reasonable person can be confused by the new Twitter regardless of people's dislike towards Elon.
I may be biased because I still go to Twitter via twitter.com.
- parl_match 23d agoI stopped going. Between the spam and the racist unmoderated AI slop cannon that is discovery there, what's the point
- solarkraft 23d agoI don’t even open twitter/x links anymore because the page is so unusable.
- shevy-java 23d agoSame here. There is always the "log in" nagging pop-up. But I will never log in again to the right-arm-gesture guy, so this is just time wasted for me. We could need some decentralized way to share "tweets" though. Not linked to greedy billionaires.
- flawn 23d agoIf you want to share tweets from X, there is exactly that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49437283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49437283
- 1over137 23d agofb and insta have the same annoying login screens too. seems like most of the web does these days.
- deleted 23d ago[deleted]
- stymaar 23d agoI made the experiment some times ago: it's faster to edit the link, replace x.com with nitter.net and load the content from there, than wait until the original page load. The time difference isn't meaningful (it's less than a second), but the fact that a website loses against a manual redirection to another front end is still a spectacular proof of incompetence.
- TRiG_Ireland 22d agoI found a Firefox plugin which does an automatic redirect to XCancel.
- TFNA 23d agoI wonder if it is by design. On Nitter, which is fast-loading and streamlined, it is trivial to ctrl-click on a bunch of commenter accounts and readily see they are bots (photo from This Person Does Not Exist, unrealistically single-issue posting, etc.). On X where things move slow as treacle, it is harder for the average person to figure that out.
- Cthulhu_ 23d agoI never went (just don't like it), but for a long time it was a primary source for a lot of important things so one kinda gets exposed to it anyway indirectly and / or through embeds. But that's the filtered version, anyway.
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- chanux 23d agoRecently found textlog.cc here on HN. At times it felt (the content especially) like the early days of twitter.
- ChrisRR 23d agoI just stopped using twitter and I've not actually felt like I've missed out
- irishcoffee 23d agoI’ve never used any microblogging platform and feel like I’ve never missed out. :)
- Brian_K_White 23d agoDon't know why yer downvoted because this is for real and winning at life.
- KyleTheDev 22d agoMicroblogging has always felt so strange to me, I could never get into it. Why would I want to hear dozens of different short-form opinions from people? Maybe it's the 'tism, but that sounds so anxiety inducing & overwhelming.
- GuinansEyebrows 22d agopolitics and hack takes abound, but there were some legitimately funny people on twitter (some of whom've migrated to other platforms). mostly bad, though.
- mingus88 22d agoTwitter was best when I followed comedians, record labels and venues. (And I should note I left in 2017 when even the funny people couldn’t get a grip on what was happening online) This is what short form posting was meant for. Jokes and quips from witty people and announcements for things I care about. That Twitter became a primary source of news for anyone is a major indicator of the decline of civilization
- darksim905 22d agoWhen your follower/following count is small and you're getting to know people and build a community of people you otherwise wouldn't meet IRL, it can be a great thing. When you start getting inundated with too much information when you have 10K + followers, it can be overwhelming and you lose the signal within the noise and find that it may start affecting other parts of life. I suppose each person is different, but that burned me out and made me uninterested and I burned it all down. I found I was losing sleep checking my phone and getting unusually addicted to stupid things.
- stymaar 23d ago> The core reason to enforce trademarks is not to fluff the corporation that holds it but to let the public be confident in the name. That's something we hear often but it's not grounded in an legal reality: trademarks are purely a form of intellectual property that a person (physical or moral) can hold and it doesn't come with any attached liability: you can't hold a company accountable for violating the trust built around its brand name in past year, and the owner is free to sell the brand name to another company or change their products in a way that mislead the consumer about its quality. In fact, should a trademark come with a promise about the quality of the product, Twitter would have lost it's trademark as soon as Elon transformed it into a disinformation machine (by breaking how the blue tick works and boosting paying account's content).
- dsr_ 23d agois-ought distinction, but specifically: The heksher marks and logos offered by kosher-certification organizations are protected by trademark; using the trademark under license specifically assures the customer that the organization's standards have been followed precisely, and using the trademark without license defeats the purpose. Similarly, the American Halal Foundation, the USDA Organic seal, the UL logo and many other programs use the mechanism of trademark to guarantee that the product or service meets their standards.
- stymaar 22d agoThat's the licensing agreement between the owner and the trademarks, and their customers for the use of the trademark. But the American Halal Foundation could revise their definition of what counts as Halal, and then license the brand to a company that doesn't meet the current criteria, without asking for permission from anyone. It's in your wording already: “the customer that the organization's standards have been followed precisely” (emphasis mine), nothing prevents the organization from changing their standards (well, maybe the licensing agreement with their customer brands does, but that's purely a contract thing and has nothing to to with the trademark per se).
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- geocar 23d ago> The core reason to enforce trademarks is not to fluff the corporation that holds it but to let the public be confident in the name. Nonsense. The core reason to enforce trademarks is to prove that you have it. The yo-yo used to be a trademark too, but the problem was what else do you call it? If the "owner" of a trademark cannot defend it, they don't have it. That's how trademark law is very different than copyright (which is implicit and automatic): You can lose a trademark even if you register it and popularise it, if you can't prove that the trademark represents your actual trade. > [I think] the trademark should hold for as long as a reasonable person can be confused by the new Twitter regardless of people's dislike towards Elon. That's your opinion man. Thankfully the law doesn't work that way. I don't even know whether you mean X (the new thing that was once twitter) or tweet (the new thing that claims to will-be what twitter once was) > I may be biased because I still go to Twitter via twitter.com. and that didn't help in the slightest, but domain squatting is very common on the Internet.
- throwawayffffas 22d agoyeah thats what it boils down to as long as they are using twitter.com. They are also using the twitter trademark.
- cmiles8 22d agoExcept US trademark law doesn’t work like that and hence the case. One of the core things a company needs to do to demonstrate it needs a trademark protected is that it’s actively using said trademark. If X has effectively abandoned Twitter, then it can’t really claim it still needs to protect the name. What you’re describing is more the “Kleenex” effect where words become commonplace. In this case another company builds a platform that has “tweets.” There it’s even more important that the company with the trademark shows that they use the trademark. Here the owner has basically scrubbed the trademark from their existence hence why folks are making these claims.