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Americans without degrees are having one of the best job markets in years

20 points by JumpCrisscross 2mo ago

MilnerRoute 2mo ago
Non-paywalled link https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/economy/americans-without-college-degrees-are-having-one-of-the-best-job-markets-in-years/ar-AA2bGSGi?ocid=BingNewsVerp https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/economy/americans-without-co...
sleepyguy 2mo ago
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- gabrielsroka 2mo ago
  > APPL AAPL
- dj_rock 2mo ago
  In Canada they are.
  - sleepyguy 2mo ago
    Yes, I have heard (even this far south) that they have taken over the Tim Hortons and Popeye's franchises in Canada. What happened in Canada over the last 30-40 years is now occurring in the USA. North Texas has been overrun with 10's of 1000's of Indians and it has been predicted that they will be the largest visible minority in Texas displacing Hispanics. I can only imagine that in the next few decades they will make up the largest group of non-Americans in the USA, basically 10's of millions of them.
ggm 2mo ago
The real story is about lifetime earnings and related outcomes in pension/Roth/401k and in health benefits. Not that there's nothing here: Degree is over-valued as a life goal in a time where we no longer really value tertiary education the way we should, and charge the kind of for-profit costs (and loan tail) to get one. Many non-degree career paths incur significant OHS risk and limits to your work life as a fit adult. Some degree paths to too: Physiotherapists cannot go on doing that kind of body-manipulation work forever without an effect on themselves, but if you plot lifetime earnings in medical against construction labour, it gets complicated fast.
- nothercastle 2mo ago
  Seems like a good recipe for a long form post.
- pinkmuffinere 2mo ago
  > Degree is over-valued as a life goal in a time where we no longer really value tertiary education the way we should What does “the way that we should” mean here? Are you disagreeing with the free market valuation of a good? If not the equilibrium created by supply and demand, what do you propose instead?
- hashbig 2mo ago
  > Physiotherapists cannot go on doing that kind of body-manipulation work forever without an effect on themselves Physiotherapists don't usually manipulate patients, you're probably thinking of chiropractors. Even then, the amount of physical strain the manipulation puts on their body is minimal and can be adapted to.
  - bayarearefugee 2mo ago
    > you're probably thinking of chiropractors. Even then, the amount of physical strain the manipulation puts on their body is minimal and can be adapted to. True. By way of comparison it is much more damaging on your body to get your neck broken by a fake doctor than it is to be a fake doctor who breaks people's necks for a living.
  - ggm 2mo ago
    I'm not talking about chiropractors. Physiotherapists I see, and have seen regularly for over 15 years all say the work includes physically demanding postural mechanics helping clients.
    - orwin 2mo ago
      They are probably older physiotherapists, or you have particular issues that requires it (parastesias, displaced muscles or ligaments, dropping organs). Modern physiotherapy tries to limit body manipulation to a minimum and will always prefer to give you exercises if possible (sources: 5 of my cousins are physiotherapists, those who couldn't become doctor mostly)
Nail2680 2mo ago
As an american with a degree and years of experience and even a PhD, it is hard to move jobs.

Non-paywalled link https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/economy/americans-without-college-degrees-are-having-one-of-the-best-job-markets-in-years/ar-AA2bGSGi?ocid=BingNewsVerp https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/economy/americans-without-co...

sleepyguy 2mo ago

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gabrielsroka 2mo ago
> APPL AAPL
dj_rock 2mo ago
In Canada they are.
- sleepyguy 2mo ago
  Yes, I have heard (even this far south) that they have taken over the Tim Hortons and Popeye's franchises in Canada. What happened in Canada over the last 30-40 years is now occurring in the USA. North Texas has been overrun with 10's of 1000's of Indians and it has been predicted that they will be the largest visible minority in Texas displacing Hispanics. I can only imagine that in the next few decades they will make up the largest group of non-Americans in the USA, basically 10's of millions of them.

ggm 2mo ago

The real story is about lifetime earnings and related outcomes in pension/Roth/401k and in health benefits. Not that there's nothing here: Degree is over-valued as a life goal in a time where we no longer really value tertiary education the way we should, and charge the kind of for-profit costs (and loan tail) to get one. Many non-degree career paths incur significant OHS risk and limits to your work life as a fit adult. Some degree paths to too: Physiotherapists cannot go on doing that kind of body-manipulation work forever without an effect on themselves, but if you plot lifetime earnings in medical against construction labour, it gets complicated fast.

nothercastle 2mo ago
Seems like a good recipe for a long form post.
pinkmuffinere 2mo ago
> Degree is over-valued as a life goal in a time where we no longer really value tertiary education the way we should What does “the way that we should” mean here? Are you disagreeing with the free market valuation of a good? If not the equilibrium created by supply and demand, what do you propose instead?
hashbig 2mo ago
> Physiotherapists cannot go on doing that kind of body-manipulation work forever without an effect on themselves Physiotherapists don't usually manipulate patients, you're probably thinking of chiropractors. Even then, the amount of physical strain the manipulation puts on their body is minimal and can be adapted to.
- bayarearefugee 2mo ago
  > you're probably thinking of chiropractors. Even then, the amount of physical strain the manipulation puts on their body is minimal and can be adapted to. True. By way of comparison it is much more damaging on your body to get your neck broken by a fake doctor than it is to be a fake doctor who breaks people's necks for a living.
- ggm 2mo ago
  I'm not talking about chiropractors. Physiotherapists I see, and have seen regularly for over 15 years all say the work includes physically demanding postural mechanics helping clients.
  - orwin 2mo ago
    They are probably older physiotherapists, or you have particular issues that requires it (parastesias, displaced muscles or ligaments, dropping organs). Modern physiotherapy tries to limit body manipulation to a minimum and will always prefer to give you exercises if possible (sources: 5 of my cousins are physiotherapists, those who couldn't become doctor mostly)

Nail2680 2mo ago

As an american with a degree and years of experience and even a PhD, it is hard to move jobs.