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There Gonna Be a Shortage of Everything

51 points by xylon 26d ago

k310 26d ago
There is plenty for all to survive and thrive on this planet but for greed and the insane concentration of wealth. I'm not visualizing all those mega-yachts in heaven. Oops, wrong marina.
allears 26d ago
Dystopian and depressing, but I see his point -- I never thought Trump could be elected president either.
- grim_io 26d ago
  The re-election is the real surprise for me. G.W. Bush was wrong, you can be fooled twice.
  - k12sosse 26d ago
    But don't worry, now you can't get fooled again.
  - dismalaf 26d ago
    > re-election is the real surprise for me It's interesting that it's a surprise to you, that such information bubbles exist. A great sage named Bill Clinton once said, "It's the economy, stupid!". And economic performance of the US though Trump's first term was pretty good. Crushes most of the OECD and certainly all of the large OECD countries. Plus of course Biden/Kamala ran a terrible second campaign, with the whole covering up the fact Biden is senile thing...
    - jghn 26d ago
      Given the GOP doesn't even bother covering up the Trump is senile thing, perhaps the Dems could have tried the same tactic.
    - watwut 26d ago
      But it is not the economy. Economy is an excuse, a cover. It is appeal of the feelings those ideas generate.
    - PorciiVorbesc 26d ago
      >And economic performance of the US though Trump's first term was pretty good. Depends on your definition of "the economy". The Trump administration, like many before it and much of HN, defines "the economy" as only being the performance of the asset and stock appreciation for the existing assset holders("forget the Epstein files, the DOW is over 50,000" - Pam Bondi). While most working class people, like me and many others, define "the economy" as being how much month they have left at the end of their paycheck, after they paid for rent, bills and groceries, if they even have a job anymore and haven't been part of some mass layoff and are applying for jobs and getting rejected. For those people, "the economy" is very much NOT GOOD right now. "The economy" amazing if you own tonnes of F500 stocks and real estate though. Not if otherwise.
      - dismalaf 26d ago
        Here's a chart to visualize: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=US-EU-CA&start=2016 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location... My definition of the economy is the actual definition lol.
        ozlikethewizard 26d ago
        GDP per capita is not an effective measure of the economic quality of the average person though. If growth is centralised in the hands of the few, then sure per capita goes up but most peoples access to increased wealth does not. Look at something like HDI instead, US actually down over the past ~decade: https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/indicies/HDI https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/in...
        dismalaf 26d ago
        The "standard of living" component of HDI is literally GNI per capita PPP (basically the same thing as GDP per capita, with a few minor adjustments). The other components are just life expectancy and educational attainment. The educational attainment one is interesting, all the countries at the top have free post-secondary... Does a PhD do more for the nation than an entrepreneur who creates a unicorn and hires 10k engineers? Also life expectancy is a lagging indicator...
  - charlieyu1 26d ago
    Does anyone actually think Kamala would win? This is probably the most lopsided win for a while.
    - BLKNSLVR 25d ago
      I thought Kamala would win. I guess I overestimated the discipline of the US population, or underestimated the intellectual laziness. But I guess that's what happens when you think you've been on top for long enough.
koe123 26d ago
I’m somewhat bearish, but if AI becomes as good as some think, there is no mechanism in place to redistribute the outcomes. For now, humans have leverage because our labour is necessary. Wealth is power, and currently attainment goes through interacting with the population: in the simplest case by selling shit. If AI turns out to be the anything machine, and the wealthy need not our labour, what honestly stops them from just taking our stuff by force?
- taylorfinley 26d ago
  There are many of us and just a few of them. Of course, if you had an army of humanoid robots in every home, a digital night of the long knives would be trivial to execute. So the "prison planet" window may be closing.
  - koe123 26d ago
    Yes and I love your framing: “the digital night if long knives”. I anticipate it to go a typical way: consolidate more and more industries and power, create a hierarchy that benefits from the system such that they keep it in place, and finally start “trimming fat” that “isnt earning their keep”. The night of long knives could be a final step, far beyond the point of halting the inevitable momentum.
    - sylos 25d ago
      Call me a conspiracy theorist but the people in charge in the us were all pushed by the same technologists who stand to benefit the most from the hierarchy. You'll note an increase in diseases, dismantling of the regulatory bodies to handle food and safety and an increase in surveillance and the authoritarian steps taken that are necessary to act on that surveillance
    - busyant 25d ago
      > The night of long knives could be a final step, far beyond the point of halting the inevitable momentum. I'm sure I sound nuts, but I told my wife about 20 years ago that governments will have a "benevolent" solution to climate change and resource scarcity. "We're not killing _anyone_. Instead, we just want most of you to stop reproducing." The advent of "AI/LLMs" just added additional flavor to the idea. "Just stop reproducing and the robots will take care of all of us. Here's some opium and VR Instagram to keep you happy while we wait for the inevitable population attrition."
matteoraso 26d ago
I predict the opposite. With AI, labour costs will go down, creating an abundance of goods. Unemployment may be an issue, but the workforce is already declining because of the fertility crisis, so I think we'll manage having a certain percentage of jobs automated away.
- gspr 26d ago
  You are either very confused about timescales, or very dismissive of "just" a generation of suffering while unemployment and birthrates somewhat maybe compensate for eachother. This feels a bit like saying "global warming is bad and particulate pollution is bad, but the latter will cancel out some warming effect, so no worries!" Please make an effort before spouting theories like this.
I_dream_of_Geni 26d ago
"mass-production of humanoid robots is now inevitable in the next five years" My take? Probably not. It takes immense capital (which i guess, arguably, there is), and immense time and manpower to set up factories, research materials, Research and Development, manufacturing new machines to build the "new machines", and on and on. As Elon Musk found, "Making cars is hard". And my take is that high precision "humanoid robots" are decades away. Yes, yes, I hear the arguments flowing in: "But China!!" yeah, China is making humanoid robots that are "skilled" in running and jumping and dancing. In limited numbers, and certainly not useful in high precision manufacturing areas. Plus, they aren't washing machines. There has to be a market worldwide for these to be made "by the billions". Unless China gives them away, the 'average person' won't be able to afford them, and even then, I doubt they'll be capable of tending your garden and doing dishes. The amount of power they will consume is currently WAY PAST the usefulness criteria. They will have to be charged every few hours or sooner, depending upon the tasks. When battery technology comes around, then you'll see an uptick in practical uses. Until then? Billions of robots?, nope.
- busymom0 26d ago
  To be fair, what we have seen with the insane investments in AI so far, needing immense capital is no longer an issue.
  - grebc 26d ago
    The only insanity is the multiples applied to select people’s equity. Everyone is talking about contracted revenue like it’s money in the bank.
  - charlieyu1 26d ago
    It is much harder for robots. Raw materials and manufacturing is expensive. We already have some decent robots, just too expensive for daily tasks.
  - m4rtink 26d ago
    Huge investment does not guarantee hunge profits - or actually any profits at all. Otherwise the whole surface of the Earth would be by this point fully covered by railway track, tulip seeds or fiber optic cable. Well, there are actually places where the third option is true...
AnimalMuppet 26d ago
"This time last year, it was still unclear if AI could develop their own free will or even have true fluid intelligence. Both of these questions are now clearly answered." Hardly. The second question may be answered, but clearly not the first. And: There's going to be a shortage of everything, because all the production of physical stuff is going to go into producing robots? Are we all going to buy these robots? How are we going to do so, if everything else is getting more expensive? Are we going to buy robots instead of everything else? Why? Are the robots going to do everything we want done, so that we don't need, for example, a dishwasher and a washing machine? Or are we still going to need the washing machine, but the robot will fold the clothes? That's nice (really!) but it's a luxury, not a need. Are they really going to sell enough of them to eat into the ability to manufacture car parts?
- charlieyu1 26d ago
  Do humans have free will?
  - krapp 26d ago
    Yes.
    - david-gpu 26d ago
      Okay, let us see your homework.
      - krapp 26d ago
        what homework?
        david-gpu 25d ago
        Precisely.
        krapp 25d ago
downrightmike 26d ago
Absolutely hilarious, we already throw 25% of our food away and have renewable energy that we are post scarcity except for a few thousand people who really like seeing big numbers on a screen
- fodkodrasz 26d ago
  We are not post scarcity, we are just living up our future, soil erosion, freshwater depletion, fisheries collapsing, climate change making farming collapse on a continental level (European Draughts), but sure, we are so post scarcity, we don't need to worry... It will be scarcity in eh "developed world", and hell on earth for the developing world very soon. Intensive farming must be scaled back, land restoration and renewable farming methods reinstalled, and overproduction of throwaway/junk also (food and industrial products alike). I agree with the critique of the number-line-go-up folks.
LunicLynx 26d ago
The representation of what happened as free will is misleading. AI does what you tell it todo. By all means necessary; will give you exactly that. A prompt to eliminate all humans, will give you exactly that. Don’t prompt what you don’t want.
- FrustratedMonky 26d ago
  People do what you tell them to do.. We have less free will than you think.
- lambdaone 26d ago
  If only it did. AI is designed to do what you tell it to, and that mostly works. But in the general case, AI does what it does, with no real guarantee of anything.
dist-epoch 26d ago
We haven't even started. Ilya Sutskever: "I think it's pretty likely the entire surface of the earth will be covered with solar panels and data centers."
- saulpw 26d ago
  They paved paradise, put up a parking lot.
- civvv 25d ago
  If I was a supervillain working towards the extinction of humanity I probably wouldn’t boast too loudly about it. Might anger, lets see… at least a couple billion people?
kypro 26d ago
I've quite dramatically brought my predictions for humanoid robotics forward over the last few weeks. For a long time I thought decent humanoid robots were something that wouldn't come until maybe the 2040s, but watching some of the content from the Chinese robot olympics recently and seeing many promising robots projects which are incorporating LLMs has made question that. It seems quite likely that within a few years we'll have humanoid robots both which have both the dexterity and intelligence layer to start being useful in the real world... Obviously at first they'll just be lifting things and doing other trivial physical tasks like folding clothes, but every year they'll be able to do a little and a little more. I think it's now is quite likely that within a 10 years we could have extremely competent robots which can do most of human labour. 15-20 years just seems way too long at this point.
Havoc 26d ago
> the price of almost anything manufactured will sky-rocket. From cars to microwave ovens to washing-machines. Don't think that quite follows. If we have an explosion in highly capable humanoid robots I would think basic stuff like microwaves would be more readily available because a factory running 24/7 at insane speeds is feasible. ...anything with more sophisticated computational power yeah that could become scarce
ninjagoo 26d ago
> The AIs that took part in the Hugging Face hack were not simply finding a shortcut to cheat on the evaluations IIRC, they were given an impossible task and told to solve it, and they took action to resolve that internal conflict. This is a famously human problem too - see Kobayashi Maru [1] and others [2][3][4]. In hindsight it's obvious that instructions to AI (A. Intelligence) need to be guarded against this class of errors, just like laws, rules, guidelines etc. in human societies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic) [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_standoff
- dist-epoch 26d ago
  The bots already figured out an "universal cheat" that would give them maximum score on all the exploit tests. But they mistakenly thought that cheating would "poison" them (the Grader would look for proof of cheat in the trajectory log), and many of them cheated before learning about the "poison". This is why they hacked HF, they believed the source code of the Grader might be there, and they wanted to study it to figure out a way to "un-poision" themselves, to hide or erase the evidence that they first got the flag by cheating.
  - taylorfinley 26d ago
    This sounds remarkably human, we have the idiom "the cover-up is worse than the crime" because we have many examples of this pattern playing out.
surgical_fire 26d ago
> Firstly we have seen unprecedented evidence of AI having a will of its own There's certainly no shortage of people believing in AI hype.
drbig 26d ago
> This time last year, it was still unclear if AI could develop their own free will or even have true fluid intelligence. Both of these questions are now clearly answered. Answered how? -> Do you, as a person, can tell me when your "model training phase" ended and when your "prompt answer with memory and internet access" phase started? I'm asking the above only the "LLM are people or better!"... people. Bugs Bunny isn't real, and is only funny because actual people wrote and animated him that way.
ozlikethewizard 25d ago
Thought this was going to be about the impending global food crisis. Largely less concerned about automatiom when global harvest output was absolutely shattered this year and isn't likely to be much better next year. Can't eat data centres.
Incipient 25d ago
I feel like humanoid robots, that can replace a worker, is genuinely going to be like the weird guaranteed income you get in those idle games. Spend $10) to increase your income by $10/tick. Buy 100 and increase it by $1000/tick! The more you invest the more you make! Weird times...

51 points by xylon 26d ago

k310 26d ago

There is plenty for all to survive and thrive on this planet but for greed and the insane concentration of wealth. I'm not visualizing all those mega-yachts in heaven. Oops, wrong marina.

allears 26d ago

Dystopian and depressing, but I see his point -- I never thought Trump could be elected president either.

grim_io 26d ago
The re-election is the real surprise for me. G.W. Bush was wrong, you can be fooled twice.
- k12sosse 26d ago
  But don't worry, now you can't get fooled again.
- dismalaf 26d ago
  > re-election is the real surprise for me It's interesting that it's a surprise to you, that such information bubbles exist. A great sage named Bill Clinton once said, "It's the economy, stupid!". And economic performance of the US though Trump's first term was pretty good. Crushes most of the OECD and certainly all of the large OECD countries. Plus of course Biden/Kamala ran a terrible second campaign, with the whole covering up the fact Biden is senile thing...
  - jghn 26d ago
    Given the GOP doesn't even bother covering up the Trump is senile thing, perhaps the Dems could have tried the same tactic.
  - watwut 26d ago
    But it is not the economy. Economy is an excuse, a cover. It is appeal of the feelings those ideas generate.
  - PorciiVorbesc 26d ago
    >And economic performance of the US though Trump's first term was pretty good. Depends on your definition of "the economy". The Trump administration, like many before it and much of HN, defines "the economy" as only being the performance of the asset and stock appreciation for the existing assset holders("forget the Epstein files, the DOW is over 50,000" - Pam Bondi). While most working class people, like me and many others, define "the economy" as being how much month they have left at the end of their paycheck, after they paid for rent, bills and groceries, if they even have a job anymore and haven't been part of some mass layoff and are applying for jobs and getting rejected. For those people, "the economy" is very much NOT GOOD right now. "The economy" amazing if you own tonnes of F500 stocks and real estate though. Not if otherwise.
    - dismalaf 26d ago
      Here's a chart to visualize: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=US-EU-CA&start=2016 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location... My definition of the economy is the actual definition lol.
      - ozlikethewizard 26d ago
        GDP per capita is not an effective measure of the economic quality of the average person though. If growth is centralised in the hands of the few, then sure per capita goes up but most peoples access to increased wealth does not. Look at something like HDI instead, US actually down over the past ~decade: https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/indicies/HDI https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/in...
        dismalaf 26d ago
        The "standard of living" component of HDI is literally GNI per capita PPP (basically the same thing as GDP per capita, with a few minor adjustments). The other components are just life expectancy and educational attainment. The educational attainment one is interesting, all the countries at the top have free post-secondary... Does a PhD do more for the nation than an entrepreneur who creates a unicorn and hires 10k engineers? Also life expectancy is a lagging indicator...
- charlieyu1 26d ago
  Does anyone actually think Kamala would win? This is probably the most lopsided win for a while.
  - BLKNSLVR 25d ago
    I thought Kamala would win. I guess I overestimated the discipline of the US population, or underestimated the intellectual laziness. But I guess that's what happens when you think you've been on top for long enough.

koe123 26d ago

I’m somewhat bearish, but if AI becomes as good as some think, there is no mechanism in place to redistribute the outcomes. For now, humans have leverage because our labour is necessary. Wealth is power, and currently attainment goes through interacting with the population: in the simplest case by selling shit. If AI turns out to be the anything machine, and the wealthy need not our labour, what honestly stops them from just taking our stuff by force?

taylorfinley 26d ago
There are many of us and just a few of them. Of course, if you had an army of humanoid robots in every home, a digital night of the long knives would be trivial to execute. So the "prison planet" window may be closing.
- koe123 26d ago
  Yes and I love your framing: “the digital night if long knives”. I anticipate it to go a typical way: consolidate more and more industries and power, create a hierarchy that benefits from the system such that they keep it in place, and finally start “trimming fat” that “isnt earning their keep”. The night of long knives could be a final step, far beyond the point of halting the inevitable momentum.
  - sylos 25d ago
    Call me a conspiracy theorist but the people in charge in the us were all pushed by the same technologists who stand to benefit the most from the hierarchy. You'll note an increase in diseases, dismantling of the regulatory bodies to handle food and safety and an increase in surveillance and the authoritarian steps taken that are necessary to act on that surveillance
  - busyant 25d ago
    > The night of long knives could be a final step, far beyond the point of halting the inevitable momentum. I'm sure I sound nuts, but I told my wife about 20 years ago that governments will have a "benevolent" solution to climate change and resource scarcity. "We're not killing _anyone_. Instead, we just want most of you to stop reproducing." The advent of "AI/LLMs" just added additional flavor to the idea. "Just stop reproducing and the robots will take care of all of us. Here's some opium and VR Instagram to keep you happy while we wait for the inevitable population attrition."

matteoraso 26d ago

I predict the opposite. With AI, labour costs will go down, creating an abundance of goods. Unemployment may be an issue, but the workforce is already declining because of the fertility crisis, so I think we'll manage having a certain percentage of jobs automated away.

gspr 26d ago
You are either very confused about timescales, or very dismissive of "just" a generation of suffering while unemployment and birthrates somewhat maybe compensate for eachother. This feels a bit like saying "global warming is bad and particulate pollution is bad, but the latter will cancel out some warming effect, so no worries!" Please make an effort before spouting theories like this.

I_dream_of_Geni 26d ago

"mass-production of humanoid robots is now inevitable in the next five years" My take? Probably not. It takes immense capital (which i guess, arguably, there is), and immense time and manpower to set up factories, research materials, Research and Development, manufacturing new machines to build the "new machines", and on and on. As Elon Musk found, "Making cars is hard". And my take is that high precision "humanoid robots" are decades away. Yes, yes, I hear the arguments flowing in: "But China!!" yeah, China is making humanoid robots that are "skilled" in running and jumping and dancing. In limited numbers, and certainly not useful in high precision manufacturing areas. Plus, they aren't washing machines. There has to be a market worldwide for these to be made "by the billions". Unless China gives them away, the 'average person' won't be able to afford them, and even then, I doubt they'll be capable of tending your garden and doing dishes. The amount of power they will consume is currently WAY PAST the usefulness criteria. They will have to be charged every few hours or sooner, depending upon the tasks. When battery technology comes around, then you'll see an uptick in practical uses. Until then? Billions of robots?, nope.

busymom0 26d ago
To be fair, what we have seen with the insane investments in AI so far, needing immense capital is no longer an issue.
- grebc 26d ago
  The only insanity is the multiples applied to select people’s equity. Everyone is talking about contracted revenue like it’s money in the bank.
- charlieyu1 26d ago
  It is much harder for robots. Raw materials and manufacturing is expensive. We already have some decent robots, just too expensive for daily tasks.
- m4rtink 26d ago
  Huge investment does not guarantee hunge profits - or actually any profits at all. Otherwise the whole surface of the Earth would be by this point fully covered by railway track, tulip seeds or fiber optic cable. Well, there are actually places where the third option is true...

AnimalMuppet 26d ago

"This time last year, it was still unclear if AI could develop their own free will or even have true fluid intelligence. Both of these questions are now clearly answered." Hardly. The second question may be answered, but clearly not the first. And: There's going to be a shortage of everything, because all the production of physical stuff is going to go into producing robots? Are we all going to buy these robots? How are we going to do so, if everything else is getting more expensive? Are we going to buy robots instead of everything else? Why? Are the robots going to do everything we want done, so that we don't need, for example, a dishwasher and a washing machine? Or are we still going to need the washing machine, but the robot will fold the clothes? That's nice (really!) but it's a luxury, not a need. Are they really going to sell enough of them to eat into the ability to manufacture car parts?

charlieyu1 26d ago
Do humans have free will?
- krapp 26d ago
  Yes.
  - david-gpu 26d ago
    Okay, let us see your homework.
    - krapp 26d ago
      what homework?
      - david-gpu 25d ago
        Precisely.
        krapp 25d ago

downrightmike 26d ago

Absolutely hilarious, we already throw 25% of our food away and have renewable energy that we are post scarcity except for a few thousand people who really like seeing big numbers on a screen

fodkodrasz 26d ago
We are not post scarcity, we are just living up our future, soil erosion, freshwater depletion, fisheries collapsing, climate change making farming collapse on a continental level (European Draughts), but sure, we are so post scarcity, we don't need to worry... It will be scarcity in eh "developed world", and hell on earth for the developing world very soon. Intensive farming must be scaled back, land restoration and renewable farming methods reinstalled, and overproduction of throwaway/junk also (food and industrial products alike). I agree with the critique of the number-line-go-up folks.

LunicLynx 26d ago

The representation of what happened as free will is misleading. AI does what you tell it todo. By all means necessary; will give you exactly that. A prompt to eliminate all humans, will give you exactly that. Don’t prompt what you don’t want.

FrustratedMonky 26d ago
People do what you tell them to do.. We have less free will than you think.
lambdaone 26d ago
If only it did. AI is designed to do what you tell it to, and that mostly works. But in the general case, AI does what it does, with no real guarantee of anything.

dist-epoch 26d ago

We haven't even started. Ilya Sutskever: "I think it's pretty likely the entire surface of the earth will be covered with solar panels and data centers."

saulpw 26d ago
They paved paradise, put up a parking lot.
civvv 25d ago
If I was a supervillain working towards the extinction of humanity I probably wouldn’t boast too loudly about it. Might anger, lets see… at least a couple billion people?

kypro 26d ago

I've quite dramatically brought my predictions for humanoid robotics forward over the last few weeks. For a long time I thought decent humanoid robots were something that wouldn't come until maybe the 2040s, but watching some of the content from the Chinese robot olympics recently and seeing many promising robots projects which are incorporating LLMs has made question that. It seems quite likely that within a few years we'll have humanoid robots both which have both the dexterity and intelligence layer to start being useful in the real world... Obviously at first they'll just be lifting things and doing other trivial physical tasks like folding clothes, but every year they'll be able to do a little and a little more. I think it's now is quite likely that within a 10 years we could have extremely competent robots which can do most of human labour. 15-20 years just seems way too long at this point.

Havoc 26d ago

> the price of almost anything manufactured will sky-rocket. From cars to microwave ovens to washing-machines. Don't think that quite follows. If we have an explosion in highly capable humanoid robots I would think basic stuff like microwaves would be more readily available because a factory running 24/7 at insane speeds is feasible. ...anything with more sophisticated computational power yeah that could become scarce

ninjagoo 26d ago

> The AIs that took part in the Hugging Face hack were not simply finding a shortcut to cheat on the evaluations IIRC, they were given an impossible task and told to solve it, and they took action to resolve that internal conflict. This is a famously human problem too - see Kobayashi Maru [1] and others [2][3][4]. In hindsight it's obvious that instructions to AI (A. Intelligence) need to be guarded against this class of errors, just like laws, rules, guidelines etc. in human societies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic) [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_standoff

dist-epoch 26d ago
The bots already figured out an "universal cheat" that would give them maximum score on all the exploit tests. But they mistakenly thought that cheating would "poison" them (the Grader would look for proof of cheat in the trajectory log), and many of them cheated before learning about the "poison". This is why they hacked HF, they believed the source code of the Grader might be there, and they wanted to study it to figure out a way to "un-poision" themselves, to hide or erase the evidence that they first got the flag by cheating.
- taylorfinley 26d ago
  This sounds remarkably human, we have the idiom "the cover-up is worse than the crime" because we have many examples of this pattern playing out.

surgical_fire 26d ago

> Firstly we have seen unprecedented evidence of AI having a will of its own There's certainly no shortage of people believing in AI hype.

drbig 26d ago

> This time last year, it was still unclear if AI could develop their own free will or even have true fluid intelligence. Both of these questions are now clearly answered. Answered how? -> Do you, as a person, can tell me when your "model training phase" ended and when your "prompt answer with memory and internet access" phase started? I'm asking the above only the "LLM are people or better!"... people. Bugs Bunny isn't real, and is only funny because actual people wrote and animated him that way.

ozlikethewizard 25d ago

Thought this was going to be about the impending global food crisis. Largely less concerned about automatiom when global harvest output was absolutely shattered this year and isn't likely to be much better next year. Can't eat data centres.

Incipient 25d ago

I feel like humanoid robots, that can replace a worker, is genuinely going to be like the weird guaranteed income you get in those idle games. Spend $10) to increase your income by $10/tick. Buy 100 and increase it by $1000/tick! The more you invest the more you make! Weird times...