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Germany's far-right AfD projected to win

20 points by hasley 27d ago

hasley 27d ago
I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.
- catlover76 27d ago
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- TacticalCoder 27d ago
  > I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for. I feel so angry and ashamed for what the EU bureaucrats and politicians have done to the EU. Many people do feel like me. I'm not german but I know that half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis": they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries. You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions and expect the entirety of the population to, like you, beg for more.
  - cineticdaffodil 27d ago
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  - EA-3167 27d ago
    Maybe they woke up one day and realized that the tolerance offered to neo-Nazis had been increasing steadily, and a tipping point had been reached where they could finally be themselves in public? I mean if you want to do what we (the US) did and pretend that this is all about economic and social anxiety go ahead, but you're going to learn the same lesson we did too: Some people have never changed, only hidden, and now they're coming out. They've been trying since day one, but enough of the people who remember the bad old days are dead, and everyone needs to relearn the cyclical lesson once again. Usually it doesn't take a major war, hopefully this time won't either.
  - Arodex 26d ago
    >You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions Tell us what has changed abruptly. Concrete examples. And if things have changed so much, why do they seem stuck in the 1930s? >they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries. And that is why they vote for billionaires to get the right to punch poor and different people. And to shout "Sieg! Heil!" at meetings. Oh, sorry, they shout "Sieg! Mund!". Totally different /s >half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis" Funny how they still have the same chants and slogans.
- cineticdaffodil 27d ago
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- mrtksn 27d ago
  It appears that every 5th or 2nd German likes them a lot, depending on the state. Why is that? Is Russia going the have Soviets 2.0 where this time the Orthodox Church is part of the administration and Germany will be Nazi Germany 2.0 but this time Jews and Homosexuals are welcome?
  - lukan 27d ago
    They don't like them. They just hate everything established more. Reasons: Migration Crisis, Corona, ... bitterness about the world in general.
    - mrtksn 27d ago
      Are you sure about that? Landslide surely implies dissatisfaction with the others but it also implies tolerance. Apparently Germany will give it a go. The turnout is extremely high, they didn’t just not go voting, they actively showed up for AfD.
      - lukan 27d ago
        Since I live in a area with high AfD support, yes I am sure that they don't "like" this party in the usual sense you would use that word. For some it is rather cult like, they are united in hate, in not much else. If they really would succed and take power - they would start bloody infighting very, very quickly (it shows quite often already).
        mrtksn 27d ago
        How much would you say that US billionaires can be credited for this? It’s very weird to watch US billionaires, UK right wingers, Putin and other long time rulers seem like having a group chat and being in sync.
        lukan 27d ago
        Not much probably, the sentiment existed before, but Musk's support for instance did made an impact. You know, richest man supporting a party, and poor people thinking, oh, I also want to be associated with being rich and I also am angry at X. It made more people seriously considering them I suppose.
- LargoLasskhyfv 27d ago
  Wir haben unter Schmutzatmosphäre verkackt. Besser kann ich's nicht unter schonender Schutzatmosphäre verpacken.
- 0bytes 27d ago
  Merz is von Papen 2.0. The same arrogance and overestimation of himself, a textbook old white man.
- throwawaypath 26d ago
  You should look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're so angry and ashamed of democracy.
  - hackyhacky 26d ago
    Were you pleased with the functioning of Germany democracy in 1932?
    - throwawaypath 26d ago
      No one who's cracked a history book open was pleased with that. Nazis were not elected democratically in the traditional sense; they never won a majority in a free national election. You're following me around in the comments because you're crashing out about being proven wrong here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137
      - hackyhacky 26d ago
        > they never won a majority in a free national election. They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag, which is sufficient for Hitler to be legally appointed chancellor, which made everything that follows legal. Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions. AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself. > You're following me around in the comments I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. You're welcome.
        throwawayfifo 12d ago
        >They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag No they didn't. The elections in 1933 were not by any means "free democratic elections." The election was far from fair and legal. It was carried out in an atmosphere of intimidation and illegal violence against political opponents. >Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Wrong, this is false. They undemocratically jailed and then outlawed the opposition to secure the vote. >Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions. No one made this claim. >AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself. The opposition parties and opponents are being dismissive of democracy itself. They're fascistically attempting to ban the AfD... banning the opposition to secue the vote, like the Nazis. >I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. The best way for you to do that would be to stop posting. Thanks.
Hackbraten 27d ago
Misleading title. The correct title is: Germany’s far-right AfD projected to win eastern state but unclear if it will be able to govern Please fix.
- hasley 26d ago
  The complete title is "Germany’s far-right AfD win historic victory, but fall short of majority in Saxony-Anhalt". How can I change the title? Apart from this, "winning" an election is not the same as actually becoming the government.
rvz 27d ago
> In a fracturing political landscape, the AfD is now Germany’s most popular party nationally, though other parties have ruled out forging coalitions with the AfD in a policy known as the “firewall.” What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?
- lukan 27d ago
  "What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?" Many things. "most popular party nationally" But not as bad as it sounds, because we have many different parties, and the majority is not AfD.
- u1hcw9nx 27d ago
  Wrong? It's not politicians misleading people. People want this. Normal people are not "good" or "pure", they like many bad tings and Germany is a democracy.
- locallost 27d ago
  Burden of the unification, where the eastern states are still lagging in many areas, got the ball rolling. Pent up dissatisfaction. Eventually it rolled over to the rest of the country with COVID, stagnant economy, social media FUD etc. A lot of the same forces that drove Trump's election. People are afraid and dissatisfied, but they cannot really say why. I know, I try to listen to them. "Our educational system is falling apart". I have two kids in school, the opportunities they get are awesome compared to what I had. It's difficult to convince people in an idea if your goals are noble. If they are not, it's a lot simpler. The basic fear is that they will lose what they have right now and are easily manipulated into magnifying those fears.
  - customguy 27d ago
    > I know, I try to listen to them. "Our educational system is falling apart" Are they aware that the AfD wants to introduce homeschooling? https://www.news4teachers.de/2026/05/afd-will-schulpflicht-faktisch-abschaffen-juristen-warnen-vor-angriff-auf-demokratische-bildung/ https://www.news4teachers.de/2026/05/afd-will-schulpflicht-f... Probably not, right? I mean, unless they're criticism is that they totally would love to teach their kid all these things much better than they do in school, but the kid won't accept homeschooling in the afternoon when it already went to school in the morning, but I kinda doubt that's their issue. Anyways, thanks and kudos for talking to and listening to them. I think our society really fucked up in that regard. I have to think of things as old as "Deine Gewalt ist nur ein stummer Schrei nach Liebe.... ARSCHLOCH!", if you know what I mean... then we rested on being better than the poor conspiracy theorists and "Covidioten" and whatever. Rarely do we try to work with people we find "too disagreeable". And now we have the salad :(
u1hcw9nx 27d ago
The only question is if they get 42 votes required for simple majority in Saxony-Anhalt, or maybe just 39 votes.
- lukan 27d ago
  More critical will be, whether BSW will make their 5% because they would help the AfD to get power (they said so clearly).
  - u1hcw9nx 27d ago
    For those who don't know Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW) is batshit crazy "left-authoritarian" far-left party.
    - lukan 27d ago
      Demonstrating the in my opinion not so well working left-right as a meaningful political description as a concept in general.
zqna 27d ago
Very simple. Being poorer than neighbours makes you angry. Then you vote for those who can bring misery to everyone so when everyone is screwed you will be fine again. Of course there are natural reasons for being poorer than neighbours - brain drain, geopolitical and economical changes. No government can help for some people, as those are unable to accept help, as they will sabotage any effort for one reason or another. In a sense it's inevitable, the entropy produces this pockets of isolated misery, which build upon itself, like dark matter does. Eventually the gases need to be released to produce a new equilibrium, sometimes in some sort of big bang
- stinkbeetle 27d ago
  Are you talking about Africa and the Middle East?
  - veeti 26d ago
    East Germany.
    - stinkbeetle 25d ago
      But it could equally apply, right? Let's see what OP says.
- hasley 26d ago
  I think (relative) poverty is not an explanation on its own. This is my take: Poverty makes people not vote for some parties. But making so many vote for a party, especially with unconstitutional goals, is the result of a lot of desinformation. The AfD uses any possible opportunity and any possible topic to tell people that Germany is rotten to the core - while it is truly one of the riches country in the world with mandatory health insurance and unemployment compensation. (Not saying that Germany does not have significant problems. Far from.) Then, they tell people whom to blame (refugees, jews, homosexuals etc.). This builds up hatred. it is not important whether anything of this is true at all. All that counts is: They can continue to be angry. There are enough YouTubers who show AfD voters contradictions in their arguments. The AfD voters usually react with even more hate. They just want to see things burn while accepting any possible collateral damage.
bluecalm 26d ago
Mainstream parties went bananas so people desperately look for another option. I think this will happen in many other countries in EU. I will take far right over far left any day but it sucks nevertheless that we lost a reasonable common sense option in politics. Hopefully AfD implements their good ideas (like more direct democracy, lower taxes, less benefits, locking up criminals, deporting illegal migrants) and won't get to implement their radical ideas.
- Arodex 26d ago
  >Hopefully AfD implements their good ideas (like more direct democracy, lower taxes, less benefits, locking up criminals, deporting illegal migrants) and won't get to implement their radical ideas. Why do you hope that? The AfD supporters already chant Sieg Heil at meetings. They could have removed their "radical" (code for: neo-nazi) ideas months ago and they could have got more votes and/or a coalition to implement their "good" ideas. Instead they doubled down on them even though it sabotages their "good" ideas. Why do you think it is?
  - bluecalm 26d ago
    I hope for that because there is little left. I am not surprised people vote for the only party that promises to solve the problems they care about. I am disappointed the rest of the political spectrum plays some kind of game or puts their hand in the sand so the only option left for many people is something like AfD. What is especially surprising to me is that it's obvious from talking to normal working people what are the issues they care about and yet most politicians don't even acknowledge it. >>They could have removed their "radical" (code for: neo-nazi) ideas months ago and they could have got more votes and/or a coalition to implement their "good" ideas. Instead they doubled down on them even though it sabotages their "good" ideas. Why do you think it is? I think they realize anyone who thinks illegal immigration is the most important issue (a lot of people) will vote or them anyway so they double down on craziness to mobilize the voters. Their strategy works pretty well but they are playing on easy mode because the rest of the political spectrum is tone deaf. I guess their leaders don't even talk to normal working people.
eudamoniac 26d ago
If a party gets 44% of the vote, they are not "far-" anything, by definition. They are well within the overton window of what people find acceptable.
- Arodex 26d ago
  Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party got 43.9% at the 1933 federal election. By the way, you've got egg on your face.
  - eudamoniac 26d ago
    At the time they were not far right/left though. We are applying that label in hindsight compared to present day politics. It doesn't make much sense to call the mainstream right far right. If they get in power and hold it for 50 years democratically, they obviously don't remain far right, they would just be what "the right" is. I argue that when they become more popular than "the right" they automatically take that moniker and lose the "far" label. We have to anchor the center somewhere for the labels to have meaning; anchoring it to some point that is not the average/typical view needs heavy justification. Maybe we can say afd is still far right today, using some trailing average, but eventually if they remain popular we'd have to admit they're just the right.
    - Arodex 26d ago
      >At the time they were not far right/left though. We are applying that label in hindsight compared to present day politics. Oh my god, man, how much of a know-nothing are you? And how do you expect your lies to get a pass when I know about that period?
      - eudamoniac 25d ago
        Ok, thanks for denying part of my post with no evidence or argument and ignoring the central point. You could have saved some time by just writing "nah bro".

20 points by hasley 27d ago

hasley 27d ago

I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.

catlover76 27d ago
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TacticalCoder 27d ago
> I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for. I feel so angry and ashamed for what the EU bureaucrats and politicians have done to the EU. Many people do feel like me. I'm not german but I know that half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis": they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries. You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions and expect the entirety of the population to, like you, beg for more.
- cineticdaffodil 27d ago
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- EA-3167 27d ago
  Maybe they woke up one day and realized that the tolerance offered to neo-Nazis had been increasing steadily, and a tipping point had been reached where they could finally be themselves in public? I mean if you want to do what we (the US) did and pretend that this is all about economic and social anxiety go ahead, but you're going to learn the same lesson we did too: Some people have never changed, only hidden, and now they're coming out. They've been trying since day one, but enough of the people who remember the bad old days are dead, and everyone needs to relearn the cyclical lesson once again. Usually it doesn't take a major war, hopefully this time won't either.
- Arodex 26d ago
  >You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions Tell us what has changed abruptly. Concrete examples. And if things have changed so much, why do they seem stuck in the 1930s? >they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries. And that is why they vote for billionaires to get the right to punch poor and different people. And to shout "Sieg! Heil!" at meetings. Oh, sorry, they shout "Sieg! Mund!". Totally different /s >half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis" Funny how they still have the same chants and slogans.
cineticdaffodil 27d ago
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mrtksn 27d ago
It appears that every 5th or 2nd German likes them a lot, depending on the state. Why is that? Is Russia going the have Soviets 2.0 where this time the Orthodox Church is part of the administration and Germany will be Nazi Germany 2.0 but this time Jews and Homosexuals are welcome?
- lukan 27d ago
  They don't like them. They just hate everything established more. Reasons: Migration Crisis, Corona, ... bitterness about the world in general.
  - mrtksn 27d ago
    Are you sure about that? Landslide surely implies dissatisfaction with the others but it also implies tolerance. Apparently Germany will give it a go. The turnout is extremely high, they didn’t just not go voting, they actively showed up for AfD.
    - lukan 27d ago
      Since I live in a area with high AfD support, yes I am sure that they don't "like" this party in the usual sense you would use that word. For some it is rather cult like, they are united in hate, in not much else. If they really would succed and take power - they would start bloody infighting very, very quickly (it shows quite often already).
      - mrtksn 27d ago
        How much would you say that US billionaires can be credited for this? It’s very weird to watch US billionaires, UK right wingers, Putin and other long time rulers seem like having a group chat and being in sync.
        lukan 27d ago
        Not much probably, the sentiment existed before, but Musk's support for instance did made an impact. You know, richest man supporting a party, and poor people thinking, oh, I also want to be associated with being rich and I also am angry at X. It made more people seriously considering them I suppose.
LargoLasskhyfv 27d ago
Wir haben unter Schmutzatmosphäre verkackt. Besser kann ich's nicht unter schonender Schutzatmosphäre verpacken.
0bytes 27d ago
Merz is von Papen 2.0. The same arrogance and overestimation of himself, a textbook old white man.
throwawaypath 26d ago
You should look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're so angry and ashamed of democracy.
- hackyhacky 26d ago
  Were you pleased with the functioning of Germany democracy in 1932?
  - throwawaypath 26d ago
    No one who's cracked a history book open was pleased with that. Nazis were not elected democratically in the traditional sense; they never won a majority in a free national election. You're following me around in the comments because you're crashing out about being proven wrong here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137
    - hackyhacky 26d ago
      > they never won a majority in a free national election. They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag, which is sufficient for Hitler to be legally appointed chancellor, which made everything that follows legal. Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions. AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself. > You're following me around in the comments I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. You're welcome.
      - throwawayfifo 12d ago
        >They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag No they didn't. The elections in 1933 were not by any means "free democratic elections." The election was far from fair and legal. It was carried out in an atmosphere of intimidation and illegal violence against political opponents. >Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Wrong, this is false. They undemocratically jailed and then outlawed the opposition to secure the vote. >Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions. No one made this claim. >AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself. The opposition parties and opponents are being dismissive of democracy itself. They're fascistically attempting to ban the AfD... banning the opposition to secue the vote, like the Nazis. >I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. The best way for you to do that would be to stop posting. Thanks.

Hackbraten 27d ago

Misleading title. The correct title is: Germany’s far-right AfD projected to win eastern state but unclear if it will be able to govern Please fix.

hasley 26d ago
The complete title is "Germany’s far-right AfD win historic victory, but fall short of majority in Saxony-Anhalt". How can I change the title? Apart from this, "winning" an election is not the same as actually becoming the government.

rvz 27d ago

> In a fracturing political landscape, the AfD is now Germany’s most popular party nationally, though other parties have ruled out forging coalitions with the AfD in a policy known as the “firewall.” What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?

lukan 27d ago
"What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?" Many things. "most popular party nationally" But not as bad as it sounds, because we have many different parties, and the majority is not AfD.
u1hcw9nx 27d ago
Wrong? It's not politicians misleading people. People want this. Normal people are not "good" or "pure", they like many bad tings and Germany is a democracy.
locallost 27d ago
Burden of the unification, where the eastern states are still lagging in many areas, got the ball rolling. Pent up dissatisfaction. Eventually it rolled over to the rest of the country with COVID, stagnant economy, social media FUD etc. A lot of the same forces that drove Trump's election. People are afraid and dissatisfied, but they cannot really say why. I know, I try to listen to them. "Our educational system is falling apart". I have two kids in school, the opportunities they get are awesome compared to what I had. It's difficult to convince people in an idea if your goals are noble. If they are not, it's a lot simpler. The basic fear is that they will lose what they have right now and are easily manipulated into magnifying those fears.
- customguy 27d ago
  > I know, I try to listen to them. "Our educational system is falling apart" Are they aware that the AfD wants to introduce homeschooling? https://www.news4teachers.de/2026/05/afd-will-schulpflicht-faktisch-abschaffen-juristen-warnen-vor-angriff-auf-demokratische-bildung/ https://www.news4teachers.de/2026/05/afd-will-schulpflicht-f... Probably not, right? I mean, unless they're criticism is that they totally would love to teach their kid all these things much better than they do in school, but the kid won't accept homeschooling in the afternoon when it already went to school in the morning, but I kinda doubt that's their issue. Anyways, thanks and kudos for talking to and listening to them. I think our society really fucked up in that regard. I have to think of things as old as "Deine Gewalt ist nur ein stummer Schrei nach Liebe.... ARSCHLOCH!", if you know what I mean... then we rested on being better than the poor conspiracy theorists and "Covidioten" and whatever. Rarely do we try to work with people we find "too disagreeable". And now we have the salad :(

u1hcw9nx 27d ago

The only question is if they get 42 votes required for simple majority in Saxony-Anhalt, or maybe just 39 votes.

lukan 27d ago
More critical will be, whether BSW will make their 5% because they would help the AfD to get power (they said so clearly).
- u1hcw9nx 27d ago
  For those who don't know Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW) is batshit crazy "left-authoritarian" far-left party.
  - lukan 27d ago
    Demonstrating the in my opinion not so well working left-right as a meaningful political description as a concept in general.

zqna 27d ago

Very simple. Being poorer than neighbours makes you angry. Then you vote for those who can bring misery to everyone so when everyone is screwed you will be fine again. Of course there are natural reasons for being poorer than neighbours - brain drain, geopolitical and economical changes. No government can help for some people, as those are unable to accept help, as they will sabotage any effort for one reason or another. In a sense it's inevitable, the entropy produces this pockets of isolated misery, which build upon itself, like dark matter does. Eventually the gases need to be released to produce a new equilibrium, sometimes in some sort of big bang

stinkbeetle 27d ago
Are you talking about Africa and the Middle East?
- veeti 26d ago
  East Germany.
  - stinkbeetle 25d ago
    But it could equally apply, right? Let's see what OP says.
hasley 26d ago
I think (relative) poverty is not an explanation on its own. This is my take: Poverty makes people not vote for some parties. But making so many vote for a party, especially with unconstitutional goals, is the result of a lot of desinformation. The AfD uses any possible opportunity and any possible topic to tell people that Germany is rotten to the core - while it is truly one of the riches country in the world with mandatory health insurance and unemployment compensation. (Not saying that Germany does not have significant problems. Far from.) Then, they tell people whom to blame (refugees, jews, homosexuals etc.). This builds up hatred. it is not important whether anything of this is true at all. All that counts is: They can continue to be angry. There are enough YouTubers who show AfD voters contradictions in their arguments. The AfD voters usually react with even more hate. They just want to see things burn while accepting any possible collateral damage.

bluecalm 26d ago

Mainstream parties went bananas so people desperately look for another option. I think this will happen in many other countries in EU. I will take far right over far left any day but it sucks nevertheless that we lost a reasonable common sense option in politics. Hopefully AfD implements their good ideas (like more direct democracy, lower taxes, less benefits, locking up criminals, deporting illegal migrants) and won't get to implement their radical ideas.

Arodex 26d ago
>Hopefully AfD implements their good ideas (like more direct democracy, lower taxes, less benefits, locking up criminals, deporting illegal migrants) and won't get to implement their radical ideas. Why do you hope that? The AfD supporters already chant Sieg Heil at meetings. They could have removed their "radical" (code for: neo-nazi) ideas months ago and they could have got more votes and/or a coalition to implement their "good" ideas. Instead they doubled down on them even though it sabotages their "good" ideas. Why do you think it is?
- bluecalm 26d ago
  I hope for that because there is little left. I am not surprised people vote for the only party that promises to solve the problems they care about. I am disappointed the rest of the political spectrum plays some kind of game or puts their hand in the sand so the only option left for many people is something like AfD. What is especially surprising to me is that it's obvious from talking to normal working people what are the issues they care about and yet most politicians don't even acknowledge it. >>They could have removed their "radical" (code for: neo-nazi) ideas months ago and they could have got more votes and/or a coalition to implement their "good" ideas. Instead they doubled down on them even though it sabotages their "good" ideas. Why do you think it is? I think they realize anyone who thinks illegal immigration is the most important issue (a lot of people) will vote or them anyway so they double down on craziness to mobilize the voters. Their strategy works pretty well but they are playing on easy mode because the rest of the political spectrum is tone deaf. I guess their leaders don't even talk to normal working people.

eudamoniac 26d ago

If a party gets 44% of the vote, they are not "far-" anything, by definition. They are well within the overton window of what people find acceptable.

Arodex 26d ago
Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party got 43.9% at the 1933 federal election. By the way, you've got egg on your face.
- eudamoniac 26d ago
  At the time they were not far right/left though. We are applying that label in hindsight compared to present day politics. It doesn't make much sense to call the mainstream right far right. If they get in power and hold it for 50 years democratically, they obviously don't remain far right, they would just be what "the right" is. I argue that when they become more popular than "the right" they automatically take that moniker and lose the "far" label. We have to anchor the center somewhere for the labels to have meaning; anchoring it to some point that is not the average/typical view needs heavy justification. Maybe we can say afd is still far right today, using some trailing average, but eventually if they remain popular we'd have to admit they're just the right.
  - Arodex 26d ago
    >At the time they were not far right/left though. We are applying that label in hindsight compared to present day politics. Oh my god, man, how much of a know-nothing are you? And how do you expect your lies to get a pass when I know about that period?
    - eudamoniac 25d ago
      Ok, thanks for denying part of my post with no evidence or argument and ignoring the central point. You could have saved some time by just writing "nah bro".