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> As I grow older, I am feeling the need to stand up and try to protect my values. I agree. I'm tired of repeated bad faith interpretations of anyone who shows

> As I grow older, I am feeling the need to stand up and try to protect my values. I agree. I'm tired of repeated bad faith interpretations of anyone who shows even the slightest disagreement with the current political milieu. Opinions that were considered anodyne in 2010 are now "far right, "fascism", and "genocide". This whole approach is grossly undemocratic as it treats half the country as a problem to be solved or worked around. This is far more authoritarian than stuff supported by many of the supposed fascists.

analognoise 29d ago
What opinion, precisely, was anodyne in 2010 and is now far right/fascist/genocide?
- dismalaf 29d ago
  https://youtube.com/shorts/wDDNF0LP5fs?si=w_V3w93eUHSpurYu https://youtube.com/shorts/wDDNF0LP5fs?si=w_V3w93eUHSpurYu Obama was pro-deporting illegal immigrants and anti-gay marriage at one point.
  - analognoise 29d ago
    Didn’t Obama and Biden both deport more people than Trump has? It didn’t require ICE to become some kind of militarized police force, and there was no question they got a day in court, and nobody was exiled to a different country that than they were from. The deportations aren’t the fascistic part, all that other stuff is? Generally championing the removal of rights IS seen as fascistic - so removing gay marriage in 2026 would be a good example. That differs from 2008, before the right was universally won, however. In both cases it seems like you’re minimizing some serious differences, or either not arguing in good faith or extremely confused about why people are calling things fascist these days. I have examples to help: Starting a war without Congress? That’s fascist. Ignoring the courts? Also fascist. Pardoning J6 traitors? Fascist. Using the presidency to enrich yourself? Threatening the news, comedians, and artists you don’t like? Threatening your allies (Canada)? Putting your name and image all over things? Taking large gifts to swing favors, even whole jets? Minimizing and interrupting science and the arts, especially any that goes against your investments? Interfering with the courts and trying to use right wing weirdos to claim that we have a “unitary executive”? Interfering with the post office, closing polling places, and partisan redistricting? Those things, especially taken holistically, are very indicative of fascism. But I can’t see how they wouldn’t have been considered the same in 2010?
    - grebc 29d ago
      Dictator/Emperor is a better word for Trumps desire. It’s what he desperately wants despite being born free.
- xigoi 28d ago
  Treating people differently based on their race is racist.
bulbar 29d ago
Thanks. It's terrible that for many there's no gray area, only "100% with us or against us and therefore a fascist".
- Timon3 28d ago
  You're not engaging in good faith if you reduce every criticism to "they're not 100% with us". People have explained their views well enough for you to understand where they're coming from.
  - allarm 21d ago
    Oh you don't say )

analognoise 29d ago

What opinion, precisely, was anodyne in 2010 and is now far right/fascist/genocide?

dismalaf 29d ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/wDDNF0LP5fs?si=w_V3w93eUHSpurYu https://youtube.com/shorts/wDDNF0LP5fs?si=w_V3w93eUHSpurYu Obama was pro-deporting illegal immigrants and anti-gay marriage at one point.
- analognoise 29d ago
  Didn’t Obama and Biden both deport more people than Trump has? It didn’t require ICE to become some kind of militarized police force, and there was no question they got a day in court, and nobody was exiled to a different country that than they were from. The deportations aren’t the fascistic part, all that other stuff is? Generally championing the removal of rights IS seen as fascistic - so removing gay marriage in 2026 would be a good example. That differs from 2008, before the right was universally won, however. In both cases it seems like you’re minimizing some serious differences, or either not arguing in good faith or extremely confused about why people are calling things fascist these days. I have examples to help: Starting a war without Congress? That’s fascist. Ignoring the courts? Also fascist. Pardoning J6 traitors? Fascist. Using the presidency to enrich yourself? Threatening the news, comedians, and artists you don’t like? Threatening your allies (Canada)? Putting your name and image all over things? Taking large gifts to swing favors, even whole jets? Minimizing and interrupting science and the arts, especially any that goes against your investments? Interfering with the courts and trying to use right wing weirdos to claim that we have a “unitary executive”? Interfering with the post office, closing polling places, and partisan redistricting? Those things, especially taken holistically, are very indicative of fascism. But I can’t see how they wouldn’t have been considered the same in 2010?
  - grebc 29d ago
    Dictator/Emperor is a better word for Trumps desire. It’s what he desperately wants despite being born free.
xigoi 28d ago
Treating people differently based on their race is racist.

bulbar 29d ago

Thanks. It's terrible that for many there's no gray area, only "100% with us or against us and therefore a fascist".

Timon3 28d ago
You're not engaging in good faith if you reduce every criticism to "they're not 100% with us". People have explained their views well enough for you to understand where they're coming from.
- allarm 21d ago
  Oh you don't say )