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Haiku R1/beta6 has been released
- bebop 1mo agoCongratulations to the haiku team!
- andsoitis 1mo agoCode blooms, Haiku flies A new release greets the world Congrats to the team
- tpoacher 1mo agoI see what you did there.
- onraglanroad 1mo agoSummer nears its end And Haiku blooms like heather New flowers emerge.
- pmkary 1mo agoI'm so happy. Haiku to me, is visually the most beautiful operating system out there. The icons, apps, designs. If there be anything that can ever steal the spotlight from Mac; it would be Haiku. And the OS is perhaps the one and only one that remains a tool in the old sense. All other operating systems are now service and signups and telemetry and notifications; this is the last resort remaining for the rest of us. I only wonder sometimes when it is going to become usable. With LLMs I'm wondering can't they be put to find the stability issues and make the solving faster?
- montroser 1mo agoI mean, Linux is still pretty squarely in service of the end user.
- tokai 1mo ago>All other operating systems are now service and signups and telemetry and notifications What are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.
- cosmic_cheese 1mo agoWhat really sets Haiku (and the preceding BeOS) apart is that it's built for the express purpose of being a desktop operating system. As good as desktop Linux has gotten it still suffers from servers being the chief use case for Linux-based OSes, seen in quirks such as how poorly it handles running out of memory (not as big of a deal in the server world, particularly in the container era; just tweak your setup and reboot your containers). It's not bogged down with corporate IT needs either. The last time we got an OS that was as purely desktop-end-user-oriented with no competing influences was Classic Mac OS, which had serious technical issues.
- LeFantome 1mo agoThe problem is, Linux is improving too quickly for Haiku. I have been looking forward to running Haiku as a daily driver for years. And it is almost there. It may even be good enough now for many people. Modern browsers really help. But I was amazed recently when I put Haiku on an old laptop that was already running Linux. I remember Haiku being so lean and fast and multi-tasking so smoothly. But honestly Linux felt faster on this machine. The memory usage was about the same (a real shock to me). And I missed being able to use containers. So, I ended up putting Linux back on. This bummed me out because I have been a Haiku fan forever and it has never been better. But when I tried to use it, I could not convince myself there was any benefit (other than diversity). And the reason had nothing to do with applications or drivers.
- penchant 1mo agoI wish Haiku all the best. It's always great to see some diversity in the FOSS OS landscape. Hope it finds its niche eventually like the BSDs did after the lawsuit drama.
- gmueckl 1mo agoHopefully, it won't be a small niche. It would be great if Haiku ends up getting used for meaningful work.
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- SyneRyder 1mo agoJust a heads-up for those trying it out, I've found a couple of regressions in Beta 6 that rendered my Haiku system unbootable, until I remembered about hammering the space key during the boot sequence to get to the safe mode menu. In my case, my ThinkPad X1 (Yoga 3rd Gen) used to boot despite what appeared to be kernel panics, but typing "continue" at the kernel prompt would skip past them and everything would then work fine. In Beta 6, it now hangs at boot instead with no kernel panic warning. Disabling ACPI in the safe mode options gets me past that, and there's a way to disable ACPI permanently at boot via some configuration files - though obviously that isn't desirable. It also seems there's been some work on USB Audio (yay!), but it now causes a kernel panic on boot if a Focusrite Scarlett is connected. Turning the Scarlett off avoids the kernel panic. The Scarlett has never officially worked in Haiku, but it at least never used to crash the system. In my case, I've reverted back to the USB Audio Scarlett Haiku driver that Claude Sonnet vibe coded for me, and for me that's working. (I can't contribute that code because of Haiku rules against AI code, but hopefully the humans will eventually find time to hand code it and get it working.)
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- LeFantome 1mo agoI think there should maybe be shadow repositories available for Open Source projects where things like your driver could be contributed. I get why Haiku does not want to deal with it do this is not a criticism. But I have also used AI to port software and create drivers. Others may not have the ability, even with AI. Perhaps I have docs you don’t. And some of it took a reasonable amount of money and time. I am not going to dedicate that to everything I might use if it was available. And in addition to wasting duplicated money and time, we are destroying the earth recreating things others have already done. I use Chimera Linux and I have thought about starting a repo just for the stuff that I have ported. I am not sure what the exact answer is but I hope this is something we figure out.
- tikhonj 1mo agoThis is one of the things I like with NixOS: it's easy enough to add new packages and patch existing ones that stuff like this can either live in the core nixpkgs repo or be managed through some community-supported overlay. (Great example of this is [nixos-hardware](https://github.com/nixos/nixos-hardware https://github.com/nixos/nixos-hardware) which shares settings and fixes for specific laptop models and the like, or [emacs-overlay](https://github.com/nix-community/emacs-overlay https://github.com/nix-community/emacs-overlay) which has a bunch of extra Emacs-specific stuff that would not belong in the core repo.)
- calvinmorrison 1mo agocongrats to waddlesplash and team
- Aldipower 1mo agoHaiku could theoretically fill a niche for music production workflows. Ultra tight MIDI timing and sequencing, low-latency audio and a beautiful desktop. I hope this dream comes true eventually.
- KerrAvon 1mo agoI think it'll need a compelling DAW to make that a reality.
- folkrav 1mo agoIMHO, it's not just DAWs keeping people on main OSes, but plugins. On the Linux side, Reaper, arguably one of the most popular options on Windows/macOS, has been available since 2018, BitWig is a good Ableton-like experience, and Ardour is also decent. But on the side of plugins - in my case drum VSTis and amp sims - the selection is still quite limited.
- v-yadli 1mo agoI doubt this, but hear me out for the reason: I worked on a Elektron MachineDrum firmware fix that corrected the MIDI jittering due to incorrect ISR configuration. MD itself is pretty tight already with its RTOS but the fix brought it down to microseconds. I was pretty proud of it because it solves a few phasing problems. I then turned this over to a friend running a lot of Elektron boxes, and his reaction was, "you mean the sound we've got is wrong? how strange!" So while I feel the same urge to have ultra tight MIDI timing, I doubt this would be a general interest of the non-technical musicians out there.
- functionmouse 1mo agocorrectness of minor logic details is of general interest to no one, but of substantial benefit to everyone
- sillywalk 1mo agoTunetracker[0] radio automation software (not sure what else it did/does) started on BeOS, then moved to Haiku. After 25 years(!)[1] it's on Mac now. [0] https://www.tunetrackersystems.com/ https://www.tunetrackersystems.com/ [1] https://rbr.com/tunetracker-ditches-beos-haiku-for-mac-backbone/ https://rbr.com/tunetracker-ditches-beos-haiku-for-mac-backb...
- thataccount 1mo agoI wonder if they got it to run smoothly in Qubes yet?
- moody__ 1mo agoCongrats to the team, I adore Haiku from afar and hope they continue to do good work. Had to do a bit of debugging with some code I help maintain for the new release, but it was a fun excuse to mess around with it a bit again.
- hp197 1mo agoMe thinking Anthropic released a new version of the haiku model....
- accrual 1mo agoI love the UI style of HaikuOS, so cool to see new ports like Firefox and a Go runtime in this release. Congrats to the team!
- srameshc 1mo agoHas anyone tried installing Haiku on old mac 2012 intel and older ? How challenging would that be ?
- yoshamano 1mo agoI just so happen to have a 2008 Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro doing nothing. I followed the directions at: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/uefi_booting/ https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/uefi_booting/ and it installed and booted without any issues.
- jmmv 1mo agoI tried Haiku recently on a not-super-old PC and was impressed by the speed and the reasonable availability of software. I then wished I could run this on my old Powerbook G4 because nothing else seems to run there anymore with ease, and this seems like the perfect desktop OS for such old machines. And it turns out there is now a fork for PPC: https://github.com/ActionRetro/Tabby-PPC https://github.com/ActionRetro/Tabby-PPC ! (Why a fork? Because it's primarily vibecoded and Haiku won't take the patches upstream. But hey, I'm gonna give it a try anyway.)
- bacchusracine 1mo agoPlease report back and let us know how that goes. Curious to see how well it works.
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- einpoklum 1mo agoAre there usage statistics for Haiku? Also, for Haiku users: What is the experience like using LibreOffice on it? And i - is it the popular office suite, or is there another one, perhaps more focused on the OS rather than cross-platform?
- omoikane 1mo ago> User interface and user experience improvements https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku/r1beta6/release-notes/#:~:text=Live%20updating%20of%20menus%20on%20modifier%20key%20changes https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku/r1beta6/release-notes/#:~... Menu that does different things based on modifier keys seems novel to me, is BeOS or Haiku the first interface where menus take modifier keys into account?
- ianlevesque 1mo agoNo, macOS has changed menus using the Option key since it was known as System.
- ethin 1mo agoI would love to give Haiku a try. Indeed, I've looked at it's code before (it's quite good, or was, last time I looked at it). What prevents me is accessibility. To be fair to Haiku, implementing an actually good accessibility stack is genuinely a nightmare that AI isn't going to help much with, were you to ask it to help you with it. Primarily because many accessibility stacks (UIA, MSAA, IAccessible2, AT-SPI, ...) are massive collections of incredibly nasty hacks. I have yet to find an accessibility stack that is actually well-designed, thought out and future-proof. And screen readers are pretty much collections of good code alongside a bunch of app-specific workaround as well which just complicates things. All of that said, I might fire it up if only to play with it from the console if I can get something like SSH working.
- functionmouse 1mo agoIn a world where Haiku is widely adopted, I figure its accessibility model would be much like that of Windows XP, in that it works by not restricting you from doing things, rather than specifically allowing certain things. XP and Haiku let the user do pretty much whatever, and for this reason, many disabled people still rely on systems like XP.
- dmead 1mo agoI can't see steve blamer's face without remembering how fun beos was in the 90s.
- kemps4 1mo agoI used BeOS around 1999/2000 or so. I remember using R5.03, then Phosphorus and Dano. I remember tripping up with the USB stack patch. Also used Max edition and eventually Zeta. It was a lot of fun while it lasted. But I don't think I have the desire to step into the Haiku realm. Too much time has passed.
- lproven 1mo agoYou should. It's more complete and has loads of apps now. It fixes the main problems BeOS had.
- chukar 1mo agoAlways love seeing Haiku releases. Brings back memories of trying it out on an old machine, still hoping for a modern browser.
- salt_pine 1mo agoStill rocking an older Haiku alpha install on a netbook. Might be time to spin up a VM and see how far this beta has progressed.
- winrid 1mo agoWhat do you use the netbook for?
- cryptolobster 1mo agoTried Haiku on an old laptop. Loved it. Then realized Linux feels just as fast now and has containers. Haiku is cool, but it's losing the lightweight edge.
- gen2brain 1mo agoI am working on the IUP fork (UI toolkit) , with many new drivers/backends and features, and, of course, I added Haiku because it looks and performs so well, it works differently from what I used to see, making it even more interesting. The result: the absolute king in memory usage was the Win32 driver, like 4M for Hello World; in Haiku, that is 3M! For comparison, the GTK4 driver uses 40M; GTK3 and Qt6 ~15. WinUI is something like ~25.
- ewwefwef 1mo agoWhen ARM will be work?
- lproven 1mo agoNot soon. https://github.com/rcarmo/haiku-arm64-build https://github.com/rcarmo/haiku-arm64-build