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It's puzzling how mild the reactions are to Anubis compared to the people reacting to seeing one singular Cloudflare captcha checkbox. I'd much rather a checkbo
by inventor7777 1mo ago
It's puzzling how mild the reactions are to Anubis compared to the people reacting to seeing one singular Cloudflare captcha checkbox. I'd much rather a checkbox than a brief CPU-intensive hashing session.
- da_chicken 1mo agoI think when people are complaining about Captcha they're complaining about yet another "pick 6-20 pictures of traffic lights/school busses/stairs/stop signs/bicycles."
- mapontosevenths 1mo agoIf they want to train an AI they should pay for it like everyone else. Modern bots have zero problems solving these, it's just free training for them.
- da_chicken 1mo ago> If they want to train an AI they should pay for it like everyone else. They're paying for electricity and taking data without paying for it. It seems to me that they're paying for it exactly the same way everyone else in AI did.
- Scoundreller 1mo agoDoes the bot include the rider when identifying bicycles? When is an ebike a motorcycle/no longer a bicycle? The support structure for a traffic light or just the coloured light bits?
- inventor7777 1mo agoNot in this case. I wish I could find the actual post, but I recall reading a post on HN recently where a majority of the commenters were claiming that when they even see a Cloudflare verification checkbox that they leave the website. This makes no sense to me as in my experience, you click the checkbox and then it verifies you without extra steps.
- Izkata 1mo agoUsually but not always. The challenge is after clicking the checkbox, if it can't manage to verify automatically. So those users have learned not to bother.
- anal_reactor 1mo agoOn my favorite browser (Opera Mobile with desktop mode) Cloudflare verification never works. It just says "failed, please try again" forever.
- miki123211 1mo ago[flagged]
- xxs 1mo agothe standard for user agents behavior tends to be described in certain RFCs
- encody 1mo agoFor me it's very strange: I'd say about 7 times out of 10 it loads the checkbox for five to ten seconds, then I check it, then it loads for another five to ten seconds, refreshes the page, shows me a second checkbox, we go through the whole song and dance again, and then it lets me in.
- blarg1 1mo ago> rather a checkbox than a brief CPU-intensive hashing session. oh is that why my raspberry pi 5 can't browse websites anymore without freezing for a minute.
- tredre3 1mo agoAnubis is usually less obtrusive than that, though. This is the longest anubis challenge I've ever had, to the point of being absurd. Hopefully they have a genuine reason for having set the difficulty so high.
- noir_lord 1mo agoI wonder if it's a bug/issue with specific browsers. It's near instant on desktop (Windows/FF/7950X3D) and I wouldn't expect the delta to be that large against a modern mobile device.
- hdgvhicv 1mo agoCloudflare doesn’t work most of the time for me. I’ve seen nothing on this site on my iPhone 12 mini.
- ShinyLeftPad 1mo agoA zero-interaction screen is better. If I can open it in a new tab and then come back and it's fully loaded, it's good.
- TeMPOraL 1mo agoUnfortunately, those tools are there specifically to detect and block "zero-interaction activity".
- ShinyLeftPad 1mo agoI thought it just hashed something...
- IanCal 1mo agoI expect the complaints would be fewer if it was a smaller thing, or if everyone had their own version rather than it feeling like one company deciding if you should be able to use a large fraction of the internet.
- 59nadir 1mo agoCloudflare doesn't even let my browser (qutebrowser) through. Anubis will sometimes sit and ask for ridiculous amounts of work, but at least it's never outright denied access.
- TiredOfLife 1mo agoCloudflare checkboxes don't come with pictures of underage girls
- zettabomb 1mo agoWhy do you have a problem with this?
- TiredOfLife 1mo agoI was explaining this part > how mild the reactions are to Anubis compared to the people reacting to seeing one singular Cloudflare captcha checkbox
- zettabomb 1mo agoAhh. My apologies, I seem to have interpreted your comment roughly opposite to how you intended it.
- OroPla 1mo agoSolving one captcha is mildly annoying. Being trapped in an infinite captcha loop will really grind your gears and eat away at your spirit. Having my CPU go up for a while is nearly frictionless on the other hand. Worst case I'm stuck in a loop and the site isn't loaded when I get back to it, which is better than being stuck in a captcha loop and then not getting to the site. Of course, not having to do any of that would be even better. I wish the concept of ZeroNet had caught on, where everything is hosted and served peer-to-peer. This gives you basically zero hosting costs and you are immune to DDOS.
- jeroenhd 1mo agoThe proof-of-work approach is much better privacy-wise than what the usual CAPTCHA services are doing. My ungrounded speakers have a tendency to pop and make noise when they come out of sleep (sleep? on a speaker? fuck you logitec) and every time these "simple" CAPTCHAs come up, even if I pass without solving their logic puzzles, I hear the speakers activate as the Javascript on the page is figuring out what kind of audio setup I have by playing a silent sound file. The default Anubis config isn't really a problem for any devices I've tried, but the FFMPEG Anubis setup is quite extreme. I seem to be served the extra-difficult Javascript challenge, as well as a high-difficulty challenge, that takes even powerful computers quite a long time to complete. Could just be countermeasures to the hug of death every website gets when they get linked on HN, though, but someone would need to set up auto-scaling for that.
- iso1631 1mo agoproof of work requires my computer do do something and not me cloudflare requires me to work for them
- duskdozer 1mo agoWell, Anubis actually lets me through eventually and most are very fast. Even this one is minimal compared to Cloudflare, which before I had to block its scripts entirely would just max out one CPU indefinitely (or at least a few hours, I found by accident, with no indication of stopping).
- grishka 1mo agoThe Cloudflare captcha checkbox fingerprints the crap out of your browser. It's an opaque risk-based thing, which is the worst. Anubis just makes your browser brute force hashes, that's it.