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It's a political statement disguised as a FOSS project (which itself is fine, all software is political). The funders are not funding the development of a Linu
by Retr0id 2mo ago
It's a political statement disguised as a FOSS project (which itself is fine, all software is political).
The funders are not funding the development of a Linux distro, they are co-signing the political statement.
- ngcazz 2mo ago[flagged]
- dgellow 2mo agoFinanced by controversial figures too
- panzi 2mo agoI'm so disappointed that The Standup was platforming him.
- ilogik 2mo agothat's when I unsubscribed
- totalperspectiv 2mo agoFinally got me to unsubscribe. I'm surprised that the whole crew of them were cool with reposting the snippet of DHH calling linux maintainers "clowns and goblins" amongst other things. https://x.com/thestanduppod/status/2091511392717213707?s=20 https://x.com/thestanduppod/status/2091511392717213707?s=20
- dgellow 2mo agoYeah that video is disgusting. He’s completely unhinged
- ngcazz 2mo agoPragmatic Engineer too
- rbanffy 2mo agoYou misspelled "fascist".
- illithid0 2mo ago[flagged]
- petesergeant 2mo agoThe OP could well be referring to DHH's recent blog post comparing Roma in Copenhagen to a predatory species that needed to be culled.
- noir_lord 2mo agoI thought he was referring to his "London that I used to know" posts, wasn't aware he'd been at it again.
- well_ackshually 2mo ago"When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces you deport them" is how his last post ends. It's not even a dogwhistle anymore.
- noir_lord 2mo agoIt's disappointing more than anything, I never agreed with him on everything but he was at least somewhat interesting/relevant to listen to at the peak of the RoR days and mostly harmless.
- shafyy 2mo agoNot sure why you are getting downvoted. His post literally ends with those words: https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a
- well_ackshually 2mo agoMostly because HN is full of two kinds of things: tech bros that think that "everything shouldn't be political durr" and actual literal fascists that think that palantir is a good thing. I'm not fully surprised by it. Pissing in their cornflakes and reminding everyone what they are is what matters, not points.
- jeffnv 2mo agoIs it? What's the statement?
- Retr0id 2mo agoIt's quite a loud one, but it's broadcast above 25KHz or so
- iamnotamouse 2mo ago[flagged]
- Retr0id 2mo agoU+1F921
- hananova 2mo agoYes that is one part of how dog whistles work. Disguise it well enough to get rubes to run interference for you. You’re doing that very well.
- iamnotamouse 2mo ago[flagged]
- jordanf 2mo agowut? haha
- lambda 2mo agoJust to explain because not everyone is necessarily a native English speaker or gets the reference. This is a reference to a dog whistle. Above 25kHz are sounds that dogs can hear but humans generally can't. The term dog whistle is used to refer to phrases that racists use to indicate their racism, while sounding plausibly deniable. The idea is that it's a phrase that will make other racists realize that you are one of them, while not sounding openly racist to others. DHH himself has gone beyond dog whistles. He's directly compared what he considers undesirable ehtnic populations to wolves who need to be shot. He's just openly calling for ethnic cleansing by now. But support for Omarchy itself can be seen as a dog whistle. It's widely known that DHH is a fascist, but you have some plausible deniability by donating to Omarchy because you're just politically neutral and think it's cool tech, or something like that.
- rvz 2mo ago[flagged]
- nisegami 2mo ago>So a "hello world" program is now political? There's an implicit political statement in being able to write a simple one line hello world program and run it, using free software and information. Consider the counterfactual world where to even begin programming you have to pay for certification and training or specialized equipment/software. I know paid compilers, proprietary languages and closed specifications exist, but we can still just save print('hello world') to a file and run it using python which is freely available, or even better we can open devtools in our browser and jump into the console and run console.log('hello world') without even installing anything.
- 0xcde4c3db 2mo agoAlso, the book that popularized "hello world" was very consciously advancing a programming-first pedagogical agenda, as opposed to building up a theoretical foundation first: > The only way to learn a new programming language is by writing programs in it.
- hananova 2mo agoYou’re deliberately bringing up irrelevant minimal counter examples in bad faith.
- sophrosyne42 2mo agoThen you should be able to say where the political statement in omarchy resides, and what it is
- c-hendricks 2mo agoIt's right there, it's the guy who started it and can't help but share his politics unprompted
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- Philpax 2mo ago"political histrionics" is an interesting way to refer to calling for ethnic cleansing
- teekert 2mo agoThank you, this is exactly my experience with reporting on Omarchy. There is a small vocal group that is very determined to pull politics into it somehow, but to most (a more silent, big majority) this is not even known. I.e., when Omarchy is reported on in my country (on local blogs) nobody ever replies with anything political, it's just about the tech. But in some circles this is very different, somehow.
- nixosbestos 2mo ago> There is a small vocal group that is very determined to pull politics into it somehow I'd suggest you go look at DHH's own account, own tweets and then delete this embarrassing comment.
- teekert 2mo agoDo you have examples? With Nitter and Xcancel down I can't even access twitter anymore, and it's not my habit to looking into the political views of developers. I don't really care. I liked FOSS because it was apolitical. Imagine Linus taking a political stance against all parties he doesn't agree with that use Linux. Imho this obsession with people's politics just has to stop. Omarchy. NixOS, LLMs. All interesting tech, and then a lot of shouting parties around it, sometimes both sides call each other nazis. I try to ignore them.
- randomgermanguy 2mo agoWhen was FOSS apolitical ?
- JeremyNT 2mo ago> The funders are not funding the development of a Linux distro, they are co-signing the political statement. It's not even a Linux distro. It's an Arch respin with tweaks that DHH likes. This is for people who want to work like DHH.
- 0xcde4c3db 2mo agoRight; it's not political in the sense of "vote for candidate/party/policy XYZ", it's political in the sense that Omarchy is distinguished by being a vehicle for DHH's opinions, and by promoting Omarchy one can promote the general idea that DHH is a respectable guy with good opinions while still remaining firmly situated in "technical" subject matter.
- mattstir 2mo ago> which itself is fine, all software is political I don't mean to get distracted from the topic at hand, but is that really true? If I create my own software stack for the TRMNL display I received as a gift because I think it's fun and interesting, is that a political statement? What politics does that involve? If someone makes a small Rust library that implements some days structure and a few hundred people find it useful, what political stance is intrinsically baked in by the author? It's exhausting to go through life if you think every field is a battlefield.
- kingkongjaffa 2mo agoIsn't there always a political angle in the act of creating software? In essence the human right and ability to learn and change and wield computers at an unlocked and low level is a policy decision. What if governments said programs must be from companies and users should not be allowed to write their own programs, operating systems must be locked down to keep users safe or some bs 'think of the children' excuse. Especially Linux and OSS is a political manifesto design specifically to stop this kind of government overreach from taking root. It would certainly benefit shareholders of large computer companies to the detriment of the individual user's freedoms. It's easy to see a perspective like that where software is political. Politics is not a battlefield, that's an American two party system trick. Seeing the word politics doesn't immediately mean bad or divisive.
- Retr0id 2mo agoI mean, yeah, you can't have politics in a vacuum. But any software that does anything interesting interfaces with the outside world at some point (via human proxy or otherwise). That your TRMNL even allows you to write software for it is a choice (a cool one at that), and contributing to their ecosystem supports that choice.
- bayindirh 2mo ago> It's exhausting to go through life if you think every field is a battlefield. You don't have to think every field as a battlefield, but your choices are affected by and are about your beliefs and stance. For example, some people believe that going all SaaS for everything in their life is not bad, and they can afford that, so they do that. I personally don't trust companies much, and value my freedom a lot. So I self host the things I can and find valuable. I have my small infra which is not accessible from open internet, and I install services there if I want them to be unavailable to the public. I mean, nobody will try to get my mundane code from my hands, but having it in a box in front of me makes me happier and feel better, so I do it. Also, stances doesn't have to be loud/violent/up to the nose. You can be yourself with your own stance, and build it calmly and slowly. You can be just happy about achieving what you wanted to achieve. On the other hand, software licenses are of course political and the issue can get heated and gets heated semi-regularly. We're humans and being opposed to each other in various forms is our base nature. So, don't stay at DEFCON 1 all the time, but aware that range from 1 to 5 is always a possibility.
- mylidlpony 2mo agoI think a better fitting definition of what it is – notably absent from this entire comment section – is virtue, or rather vice, signaling.
- s__s 2mo agoIt wasn’t that long ago that omarchy got started. As far as I could tell it was a direct response to DHH giving up on Apple. He was in a dispute with them in regards to App Store publishing and sales. He seems to have since made it his personal mission to move off of the Apple ecosystem.