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Don't Wordle
- anactofgod 1mo agoFLAIL (232) --> CLEVE (24) --> CLUMP (4) --> CLOUS (3) --> CLOUD (2) --> CLOUR (1) 12 unused letters + 1 words remaining = No margin for error
- hollylawly 1mo agoOf course the one time I get it in 2 guesses is in this version
- bonzini 1mo agoGot to the sixth attempt, 2 words remaining, of course I picked the right one.
- skerit 1mo agoWhat the hell, same here. My initial guess was "CELLO", from there on I had 32 other possible words and somehow I got the right one?
- zaik 1mo agoMy first guess got 3green+2gray. Should have undone immediately.
- embedding-shape 1mo agoThis is amazing, and incredible difficult (or I'm terrible), after ~10 minutes I can't even get in a third guess!
- rylando 1mo agoWell this sure makes Wordle feel a lot easier!
- whoisnjogu 1mo agoand I still can't believe it took me more than 3 guesses
- massimodeluisa 1mo agoAhahhaha funny! xD
- MDTHLN 1mo agoThis is quite fun, but I can’t believe the amount of cookies it wants to set!
- whstl 1mo agoI had my ad blocker turned off temporarily and it was a strange experience.
- grocery_stores 1mo agoOne thing I find odd about the rules: it forces you to respect what you've learned via green or yellow tiles, but not gray tiles. The spirit of the rules suggests once you've learned a letter is not in the word, you shouldn't be able to reuse that letter. Perhaps that would simply make the game too difficult, though.
- theanonymousone 1mo agoI hope NYT lawyers don't come for you. They did for many other variants of this. Maybe reconsider the name?
- flexie 1mo agoWe are asked to allow hundreds of cookies, not just a few, to play the game.
- Madmallard 1mo agoyes top of hacker news and loaded with tracking information and a popular game so likely to garner lots of attention
- inigyou 1mo agoWhat website isn't? The most shocking part is that Americans care about appearing to follow GDPR, for some reason. For example, HN blatantly doesn't comply and doesn't plan to.
- VonGallifrey 1mo ago> HN blatantly doesn't comply What about HN doesn't comply with GDPR? It does not seem to have tracking cookies.
- masfuerte 1mo agoApparently they won't delete your old comments if you ask them to. I'm someone who goes to somewhat absurd lengths to avoid tracking, but HN's policy doesn't bother me because I know the data exists elsewhere and deleting it here won't make a jot of difference to that.
- tialaramex 1mo agoI'm not entirely sure they'd need to comply. The question is what the purpose of the data being collected was, but seems to me that if you emphasise the whole idea that this is a conversation (which HN does in several ways) then actually "We don't delete comments" is defensible. If I'm reading a thread about a problem I'm having in a video game on Reddit and it goes "This is very frustrating because I can't get a rabbit to teleport", then a reply which is [deleted] and then "Oh! Thanks so much, I'd never have figured that out" I'm in exactly the same place as the original poster, but now with the additional agony of knowing that there was a correct solution and that it's hard to figure out what it is - ugh.
- GNR_Radio 1mo ago[dead]
- lugao 1mo agoIt is too hard to be fun :P
- huhtenberg 1mo agoSome of the suggested plays for yellow EA and green H after the first guess: ALMEH BEKAH BELAH DEASH OBEAH SELAH Not much fun to play with a dictionary like this :-/
- burnt-resistor 1mo agoThe goal isn't explained clearly and simply enough.
- pasc1878 1mo agoThe goal is to get mony from clicks in "legitimate interest" What is legitimate here. You and the site why does any third party have an interest?
- netsharc 1mo agoI'd enjoy it if the rules with some graphics are displayed near the game, for newbies. e.g. show a word with some green letters and that they have to be in the same spot in the other word. e.g. FUBAR with green B -> __B__ FUBAR with yellow R -> RRRR_ (with gray background and white R to signify "has to be placed somewhere here") And for the gray letters, I guess.. show them next to the _____ in a trash can?
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- Folcon 1mo agoIs the word list complete? I tried WEIRD and it rejected it as not a word
- zabzonk 1mo agothat "i before e except after c" rule often gets taken too seriously
- LuminousWzrd 1mo agoOh I've messed that one up before
- bigfishrunning 1mo agoi think it's kind of beautiful that weird is a weird word
- hnlmorg 1mo agoIsn’t there more exceptions to that rule than there are examples where it’s correct?
- MarkusQ 1mo agoYep, at least on most static word lists. It's a fun exercise to try and improve the rule by extending it compared to just switching to "E before I".
- xigoi 1mo agoOnly if you forget the final part, “…when it sounds like ‘ee’”.
- hnlmorg 1mo agoThat’s a recent addendum and is far from universally taught.
- intrasight 1mo agoWhat does "you have already eliminated the letter T" mean?
- astura 1mo agoThe word doesn't contain the letter T. It means you previously guessed a word with T in it and it wasn't marked at green (correct spot) or yellow (word contains letter in different spot).
- codechicago277 1mo agoYou already guessed a word that had a “T” in it, and the game confirmed that “T” is not in the word. So you can’t guess another word with a “T”.
- Angostura 1mo agoIf you enjoy clicking things you can spend hours in their cookie consent boxes untickinv the several hundred individual ‘legitimate interest’ tick boxes for individual vendors
- gear54rus 1mo agoUblock seems to work with this one.
- dec0dedab0de 1mo agoYeah, I didn't even see the popup
- thi2 1mo agoNo reject all button means a closed tab.
- mherdelight 1mo agoIt's not like a "reject all" button actually rejects all. They get to decide what "reject all" means in the, well, popup that you just rejected.
- wlesieutre 1mo agoOnly hundreds? I ended up on Thingiverse by accident yesterday it’s RESPONSIBLE USE OF YOUR DATA We and our 1022 partners…
- coldpie 1mo agoIt's your browser's job to protect you, not the website's. There's no guarantee that a "reject all" button does anything, anyway. Instead, just dismiss the banner however and clear the site's cookies in the browser when you're done. On Firefox, you can clear your cookies in 3 clicks, use the little button on the left side of the URL bar and hit "Clear cookies and site data" and then Confirm.
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- phren0logy 1mo agoBe happ-ole? (Insert whistling)
- mda 1mo agoI see that terrible cookie permission window (62 legitimate interest) and I close the window,
- lucideer 1mo agoI tried playing this as if its wordle & got it in 2 guesses. How do they do this ??? That's next to impossible in wordle & the probalities seem like they should be the same?
- f2474l 1mo agoThe game is cheating I guess
- tedmiston 1mo agoBy playing Wordle well, you are essentially eliminating as much unknown words as possible each turn, e.g., SALET alone takes 12974 words down to 34 here today. But this is like Wordle hard mode with the forced letters, so the optimal strategy is probably to invert and eliminate as little words as possible each turn. I got pretty far here using weird words, but PIZZA turned out to be a terrible first guess for Don't Wordle (eliminating ~75% of the words): * 12974 PIZZA 3169 AQUAS 290 SAWED 17 MEASE 7 LEASH 0
- lucideer 1mo agoWordle hard mode (which I play) generally limits you to a similar degree as this game - it's less strict programmatically, but anyone willingly opting into hard mode is likely following the same rules as are enforced here. So it should be the same. (assuming here that you're deliberately attempting to lose this game).
- tedmiston 1mo agoNo, the strategy in Wordle of solving hard mode by guessing the target word vs in Not Wordle preserving along as possible in Not Wordle by not guessing the target word are not the same thing at all. Huh?!
- quietbritishjim 1mo agoI think you really did just get lucky. It does pick a word up front at the start.
- amiga386 1mo ago12935 -> TIZZY (5625) -> OXBOW (2674) -> GRUFF (858) -> MAMMA (195) and I'll let you guess the rest but my next choice left 43 words, and I survived with only 4 words possible. The rules not letting use a letter you know isn't in the target word drastically cuts your choices, your best bet is to use as few unique letters per word as you can, and as uncommon letters as you can, but as all normal words need vowels you'll be forced into only picking a vowel from the target word soon enough. Try to find letters that are in the word as late as possible so you're not locked into having to use them. Once you are forced to use letters from the target word, avoid placing them in the right place. Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA), and a rule for not letting you put a known letter in a place you know it doesn't go (so after MAMMA, you can't have HALVE because you know there's not an A in second place, nor ALPHA because you know there's not an A in fifth place).
- amiga386 1mo agoThe best I could do with today's word, and the wordlist, but no scoring function to minmax the rules: - FUFFY (8159) (shipping of Faith and Buffy from Buffy the Vampire Slayer) - IMMIX (4544) (to mix or blend) - ZOCCO (2142) (low plinth, from the Italian word for sock) - QAJAQ (530) (alternative form of kayak) - TRATT (155) (clipping of trattoria) - KHAPH (7) (alternative form of khaf, the 11th letter of the Hebrew alphabet) I get the feeling that if this game had 7 steps instead of 6, it would almost always be impossible.
- Lerc 1mo agoI had two word possibilities left at the end, so it's possible.
- ErikCorry 1mo agoTheoretically, you could still win today's if there were 8 steps. The ninth is the word you have to avoid. I haven't found a way to win today with 9 steps. https://gist.github.com/erikcorry/b21723a0ba49c044b03a6030dc0e9857 https://gist.github.com/erikcorry/b21723a0ba49c044b03a6030dc... Edit: Using some of your words you can get to 9 steps (10 including the word you have to avoid): https://gist.github.com/erikcorry/d55d263b129eb7a56c8c212296ae6c34 https://gist.github.com/erikcorry/d55d263b129eb7a56c8c212296...
- tantalor 1mo ago(meta comment) the chit chat about cookies is off topic and pointless
- HelloUsername 1mo ago(Un)related; does anyone know where to play the non-NYT Wordle version?
- teach 1mo agoThe original version of Wordle was purchased by the NYT and then Josh took down his copy, so there's no canonical "non-NYT" version anymore.
- dec0dedab0de 1mo agoI'm sure someone has the original saved somewhere, I had it on an old work computer.
- steinvakt2 1mo agoCool. Surprisingly difficult. I made an art game inspired by wordle some years ago. My dad and I still play it daily. https://artle.eu https://artle.eu
- senfiaj 1mo agoYou can use hints, after that I could find the right sequence trash smash abash gnash quash clash
- JoshTriplett 1mo agoDisappointing that this seems to only be a "daily" game, and not have a "just play" mode that uses random words. First thing that I look for with any game that presents itself as "daily" is "where's the non-daily mode".
- markkat 1mo agoNice. I play Last Word daily. https://dragonfjord.com/lastword/ https://dragonfjord.com/lastword/ It's the same goal, but everyone starts with the same word each day, which does not include any letters in the "last word". No undos in Last Word. My average is 8.7 letters. Really hoping to get it to 9.
- noahlt 1mo agoThis is a great demonstration of why Wordle’s Hard Mode is actually easier.
- stanmancan 1mo agoMy problem with hard mode is it leaves a lot up to luck. If it was 3 letters and ended in “at” it could be pat, mat, bat, hat, cat, rat, sat, etc. so all you can do is to pick one and hope for the best.
- calfuris 1mo agoIt puts a floor on the player's skill. That's not the same as being easier. There are game states that are certainly winnable without hard mode rules but do not allow the player to force a win in hard mode.
- tfrancisl 1mo agoClicked expecting commentary on why playing NYTs wordle, and perhaps other games, was problematic for some reason. Found a game instead.
- nullzzz 1mo agoThe ads, the banners. Immediate exit.
- theideaofcoffee 1mo agoDo you even adblock, bro.
- NikolaNovak 1mo agoLike it, but would love a "No Undo" option, or at least, "don't force undo". My friends and I share our wordle results daily. Would like to add this, but so that if you guess in three or four tries, that's OK, that's just your score for the day. Right now game forces me to undo if I have reduced option space to fewer words than there are remaining guesses, and that's quite annoying for how we'd want to play :)
- Murfalo 1mo ago* 12974 QAJAQ 1979 PZAZZ 861 OBANG 449 URARI 232 FLAFF 58 DWALM 10 (totally didn't cheat: https://github.com/murfalo/dontwordle-assistant https://github.com/murfalo/dontwordle-assistant)
- doctorpangloss 1mo agoLegitimately a much better game than actual Wordle.
- rhplus 1mo agoI sense this is not winnable for all Wordle dictionary words. Is that provably the case?
- dontwordle 1mo agoThere are actually a very large number of solutions for every word. I once wrote an algorithm to enumerate all possible solutions for a given word and I was surprised at the results.
- jamesforestwest 1mo agoFunny idea, it turned out to be a bit more difficult than I thought
- mryingster 1mo agoDang it. I accidentally got the word in two!!!
- thomastjeffery 1mo agoUnfortunately, my goto starter word is 4 green letters. It's pretty frustrating to immediately lose, and then have to undo to find out what the word was.
- teo_zero 1mo agoIf your first word is four greens it's actually pretty good: you get to know four letters to avoid with just one undo!
- thomastjeffery 1mo agoSure, but if you count undo as a partial game over (which is heavily implied), it's better to just be able to see what the word is and move on.
- teo_zero 1mo ago> count undo as a partial game over Not at all. Contrary to other games where undos are cheating, here they are part of the game. Without them it would be 80% luck and only 20% strategy. > which is heavily implied I can't find anything that implies this. It explicitly says: > This uses undos deliberately rather than only as an emergency while avoiding undos is mentioned at the end as "The Purist approach", which I read as slightly mocking. I see it like a chess problem where you have to find the best sequence of moves, so you start off with an intial move, then backtrack, explore another idea, etc. Not like a chess match where of course you cannot undo any move.
- gpvos 1mo agoIt took me a minute to find out that I needed to close the instructions to see the actual game. A Play button would have been nice.
- dang 1mo agoRelated: Show HN: Can you lose at Wordle if you tried? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31572258 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31572258 - May 2022 (236 comments)
- catoc 1mo agoI had to deny hundreds of tracking “partners” wanting to place cookies - without a ‘reject all’ option - before I could even access the website… So Don’t Access Don’t Wordle
- dontwordle 1mo agoWow I can't believe this showed up on the front page years later. That's fun! I am still new to using Google AdSense and am enjoying the wrath of HN on this thread! Hope everyone can still enjoy the game today. Thank you for the feedback!
- wafflebot 1mo agogot it on 2nd turn. I am terrible at this.
- skerit 1mo agoSo including me, you're like the fourth person in this section to get it on the second turn. That's peculiar.
- MarioMan 1mo agoIn the same vein, last year I took on a good old fashioned optimization problem for Worlde. Given a guess list and answer list, find all of the “perfectly bad” Worlde games in the shortest time. This means never reusing letters or finding any of the letters in the word. I got it from over 35 hours down to a mere 20 seconds. Results and code here: https://github.com/SMarioMan/worst-wordle https://github.com/SMarioMan/worst-wordle
- Velocifyer 1mo agoWhy is the word “satan” not allowed?
- seeking_future 1mo agohmm, if you quote unquote must use the letters locked in from the previous example, then they should be brought down to the previous row and locked in by default no? a robot could have fixed that for lessthan 5000 tokens i bet.
- gcr 1mo agoThis is great! A couple years ago I adapted a quite similar concept for the PUCO 8: https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?pid=106664 https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?pid=106664 My version allowed players to re-use letters though. Yours is much more interesting and challenging. I remember being pretty proud of my compression system that let me fit several thousands of words on the cartridge.
- apparent 1mo agoPretty cool. I wonder at what point it makes sense to actually try to guess what the actual word is and then figure out which words you should guess in order to avoid it.
- spopejoy 1mo agoI guessed it, undo'd back ... and still lost
- weedfroglozenge 1mo agoThis game got surprisingly big for what once was an LLM prompt "Create an opposite version of wordle and throw AdSense on it"
- zuuna 1mo agoI love wordle and dontwordle. What I love more is Poople.io.
- ariwilson 1mo agoWhat word list are you using as the valid words list? The old solutions list from nytimes wordle is no longer very relevant, e.g. the last month or so has produced several Wordle solutions that were not on it.