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I think it is less about junior/mid engineers, and more just about the kinds of work inexperienced/cheap developers are often doing: assembly line, JIRA-ticket-
by petcat 2mo ago
I think it is less about junior/mid engineers, and more just about the kinds of work inexperienced/cheap developers are often doing: assembly line, JIRA-ticket-taker type development.
This is especially impacting Indian tech workers in the US [0] since these are often the types of roles that InfoSys and other foreign tech consulting firms are staffing. The new $100,000 fee to sponsor an H1B visa has made it difficult to justify hiring foreign tech workers when most of the time they are just going to be using American LLMs to do their work anyway.
[0] https://thefederal.com/category/news/h1b-visa-indian-tech-workers-return-india-us-jobs-245525 https://thefederal.com/category/news/h1b-visa-indian-tech-wo...
- throwatdem12311 2mo agoGood riddance. Worked with many offshored firms before, from all over the world. The work was subpar before and it’s even worse now. Now I can fire off agents ona remote box to do the grunt work and open PRs, then just prompt to review/iterate it. No timezone timezone delays or language barriers. Nearly instant feedback. Coding is solved. Engineering is not. Catch up or be left behind.
- birdsongs 2mo ago> Good riddance. > Coding is solved. Engineering is not. Catch up or be left behind. I'm really grateful for my company's culture. Reading replies like this, I remember how easy it is to forget how atrocious that can be elsewhere. Thanks for the perspective and reminder.
- hactually 2mo agohow do you mean? surely you're paid for delivering product not coding? if it is the latter, I too would love to be paid for recreational coding
- birdsongs 2mo agoYou misunderstood my reply. I'm talking about culture, not engineering or coding. I'm just grateful I don't work with people that say "good riddance" to blanket foreign talent bans, and "catch up or get left behind" to fellow engineers. That doesn't sound like a nice place to work? Is all I'm saying.
- tuesdaynight 2mo agoI don't think this is related to culture, it's just the internet nowadays. You need hot takes for engagement. That user probably runs with that mindset always on
- birdsongs 2mo agoThat's fair. My internet bubble is intentionally very small.
- glouwbug 2mo agoOr, you know, just plain ol’ racism
- birdsongs 2mo agoYeah, exactly.
- throwatdem12311 2mo agoTIL I’m (a Polish-Canadian) being racist because I don’t like the quality of the work Polish offshore developers my boss hired on the cheap.
- saghm 2mo agoSomething not being the primary reason I'm paid does not imply that it's "solved". Personally, I enjoy working at a company where people have intellectual curiosity about varying viewpoints to ambiguous questions like "is coding solved?" rather than scolding people who don't adhere to the dogma as being "left behind". To be clear, I use LLMs every day as part of my work pretty much entirely because my employer wants me to and has encouraged me to make them part of my workflow. They've managed to do that without anyone saying anything as aggressive as the parent commenter.
- throwatdem12311 2mo agoMy company has excellent culture. Zero tolerance for slop, top to bottom. With or without AI, you own your work and you are accountable for it. We’re a business not a daycare for foreign contractors without useful skills. We prefer to hire on-shore junior engineers now, but their job isn’t just to just bang out grunt work Jira tickets. They own their work end to end and support it at every level. They get mentorship from seniors to move beyond coding and into systems and architecture level thinking. That’s the job now.
- birdsongs 2mo ago> My company has excellent culture. > Zero tolerance > We’re a business not a daycare Okay man, I'm sure it's great.
- throwatdem12311 2mo agoYou’d be suprised how often people rise to the occasion when you don’t treat them like children. I don’t know why I can’t rely to the person below me so I’m editing: We don’t admonish. It’s a mission statement and an up-front mutual understanding by all parties that you own your work end to end and you are accountable for it. You don’t even get an interview if you don’t agree. People that are offended by it don’t even bother applying. Excellent filter.
- saghm 2mo agoTreating people like adults means not admonishing them by saying things like "we're a business, not a daycare". Adults don't need to be informed that they're working a job because they already are aware. Talking down to people by saying things like that is pretty much the opposite of treating them like adults.
- gjvc 2mo agois it your business? do you own it?
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- unified101 2mo agoYour boss isn't shortly going to say the same about you? Fable is better than you at engineering.
- throwatdem12311 2mo agoI basically only use Fable, and no it isn’t. Coding isn’t engineering.
- _joel 2mo ago"Software Engineer" is a thing.
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- throwatdem12311 2mo agoDo you think software engineers just write code or something?
- bluefirebrand 2mo agoI would bet good money that the vast majority of people who have some variety of "software engineer" as their job title mostly just write code, yes The concept of software engineer is so watered down at this point it often barely resembles engineering at all
- throwatdem12311 2mo agoIn Canada engineering is a regulated term and if you aren’t licensed you can get in serious trouble calling yourself one. source: I am licensed.
- bluefirebrand 2mo agoYeah. My job title at work is technically Software Engineer and it makes me a little uneasy because I am not licensed But I don't call myself an engineer at all. I'm a software developer through and through. My employer calls me an engineer for some reason through
- lelanthran 2mo ago> Coding is solved. Engineering is not. Catch up or be left behind. I'm pretty certain SOTA is better than you at engineering. It's gonna be a real shock to your system when you finally acknowledge to yourself that you are nothing more than an expensive proxy to an LLM.
- throwatdem12311 2mo agoI basically only use Fable and no it isn’t. Might I suggest that if you think it is you’re just projecting your own insecurity on others. Coding isn’t engineering.
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- throwatdem12311 2mo ago> created 5 minutes ago lol
- mrhottakes 2mo agoYou're far enough behind that you had to create a burner account to tell someone to self-harm.
- headchipper 2mo agois that supposed to be an insult or random angry words inspired by the labor of clicking a profile link