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> They need to do it in a reasonable amount of time. If they did that for years within hours and if we look at the tools available today, I would expect that "

> They need to do it in a reasonable amount of time. If they did that for years within hours and if we look at the tools available today, I would expect that "reasonable" equates to how they provided it prior: fast.

grapheneos 2mo ago
They did it for many years with 0 delay because they pushed the tags to AOSP. It was moved to Google Drive with a Google Forms setup to request access with manual fulfillment of the request. It was deliberately done to make it into a hassle. The delays are by design through making it a manual system regardless of how much of a delay was intended as part of this change. They could be automatically handling the requests especially from people who have already been given sources for a product. They're deliberately making it take substantially more work on their end to make it into more of a hassle.
- patcon 2mo ago
  I was involved in one of the communities involved in the Block Sidewalk efforts in Toronto Canada, which prevented Sidewalk Labs from moving forward on a multi-billion dollar project to redevelop a chunk of downtown Toronto. I was at the Data Power 2017 conference in Ottawa where I shared with people (who would become key Block Sidewalk organizers) the clues I had, that Google was about to bid on the as-yet-unknown land development opportunity, closing later that month. I had previously been in collaboration with secure ROM developers hitting their first adversarial efforts to thwart use of Android for alt app markets. I know that Google's public story of Android openness (which drove people trusting them to build a city platform) was bullshit, and I made sure many many of the key activists and public servants knew it. While I can't know exactly how my specific actions affected things, I would guarantee that Google's adversarial positions and failed stewardship have already contributed to them losing real opportunities.
- Create 2mo ago
  ...hoping a Google Gemma agent can handle those Google Forms and Google Drive for you too!
- chinathrow 2mo ago
  I understand - you said that before - I was just interpreting to what the GPL means with "reasonable time". Maybe a lawsuit would change things?
e12e 2mo ago
There's no reasonable delay. The source code needs to exist before binary distribution. When google distribute the compiled code to me, I assume the source is already available. If distribution means I buy a phone with compiled code, I expect the sources to be readily available. I distribution means my phone download updated software - I expect the code to be available. Only lasts until google pushes out gpl in favour of fuchsia or something - so they can finally run away from the community code they built the android system on. Bit until then I fully expect them to actually honor the license...
- account42 2mo ago
  GPL does explicitly allow for only providing source code on request. But of course that doesn't mean you can arbitrarily delay responses to such requests.

grapheneos 2mo ago

They did it for many years with 0 delay because they pushed the tags to AOSP. It was moved to Google Drive with a Google Forms setup to request access with manual fulfillment of the request. It was deliberately done to make it into a hassle. The delays are by design through making it a manual system regardless of how much of a delay was intended as part of this change. They could be automatically handling the requests especially from people who have already been given sources for a product. They're deliberately making it take substantially more work on their end to make it into more of a hassle.

patcon 2mo ago
I was involved in one of the communities involved in the Block Sidewalk efforts in Toronto Canada, which prevented Sidewalk Labs from moving forward on a multi-billion dollar project to redevelop a chunk of downtown Toronto. I was at the Data Power 2017 conference in Ottawa where I shared with people (who would become key Block Sidewalk organizers) the clues I had, that Google was about to bid on the as-yet-unknown land development opportunity, closing later that month. I had previously been in collaboration with secure ROM developers hitting their first adversarial efforts to thwart use of Android for alt app markets. I know that Google's public story of Android openness (which drove people trusting them to build a city platform) was bullshit, and I made sure many many of the key activists and public servants knew it. While I can't know exactly how my specific actions affected things, I would guarantee that Google's adversarial positions and failed stewardship have already contributed to them losing real opportunities.
Create 2mo ago
...hoping a Google Gemma agent can handle those Google Forms and Google Drive for you too!
chinathrow 2mo ago
I understand - you said that before - I was just interpreting to what the GPL means with "reasonable time". Maybe a lawsuit would change things?

e12e 2mo ago

There's no reasonable delay. The source code needs to exist before binary distribution. When google distribute the compiled code to me, I assume the source is already available. If distribution means I buy a phone with compiled code, I expect the sources to be readily available. I distribution means my phone download updated software - I expect the code to be available. Only lasts until google pushes out gpl in favour of fuchsia or something - so they can finally run away from the community code they built the android system on. Bit until then I fully expect them to actually honor the license...

account42 2mo ago
GPL does explicitly allow for only providing source code on request. But of course that doesn't mean you can arbitrarily delay responses to such requests.