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Meta Files Patent for Facial Recognition, Automatic Recording of People
- bunkydoo 2mo ago[dead]
- teunispeters 2mo agoand how is this distinct from a security camera with OpenCV? (I am curious. Mind, not a field I'm very interested in these days)
- lenerdenator 2mo agoThe massive database it's connected to, the government's awareness of said database, and the government's intentions regarding the database.
- buellerbueller 2mo agoSecurity cameras generally don't change their location.
- KaiserPro 2mo agoTechnically quite a big difference. I'm not sure what part of meta delevoped that, I can't find those names in linkedin. I vaguely recognise one name but can't be sure about it. In meta, there are a number of research teams, SOme are pure hardware, although they are less now, some are software and some are about specific modes of interaction. Ie agios is about touch, opals are about displays (assuming they exist anymore) surreal is about visual understanding and graphics is well, graphics. Surreal built a "ego centric" platform, ie research perv glasses. They are quite capable https://www.projectaria.com/ https://www.projectaria.com/ Recording data is easy, processing and making that data usable, within the power budget is hard. On the face of this, its trivially simple to do. Just record all that video and sound, do some STT facial recogntion and location extraction and jobs a goodun. Doing it with a total power envelope of <500mwhrs is the hard part. However, in terms or problems. These glasses have the ability to precisly locate the wearer. By inference it can locate anything it can see. If you have more than one wearer, you can locate lots of objects/people in real time. This means that you can trivially map people's movments,s thoughts and actions in more or less real time. Great for advertising, great for visually impaired, shit for everyone else.
- teunispeters 2mo agoThat is a MUCH more interesting answer than I expected. I briefly worked for a company that made AI augmented cameras (OpenCV internally, usually) - some time back.
- kstrauser 2mo agoWhen did you last see a security camera in the bathroom?
- dzikimarian 2mo agoI wouldn't ever buy anything with camera from Meta. Or to be honest any device. It's pretty much guaranteed to steal your data.
- fouc 2mo agoin the future, everyone's glasses will have automatic recording of people. in the future, everyone's automatic recording of people will be fully accessible to all. in the future, everyone's glasses will also be AR glasses, enabling everyone to view everyone else's POV at any time. in the future there will be no privacy, because everyone will be able to watch everyone else.
- black6 2mo ago3GC
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- cobertos 2mo agoFully accessible to all? Not when there's money to be made by putting it behind a paywall. Unless it's served with ads I guess.
- anonzzzies 2mo ago$100k per month to allow your companies AI to see the vids/pics 100ms earlier than the (billions of) wearers of the glasses.
- tcp_handshaker 2mo ago>> in the future there will be no privacy, because everyone will be able to watch everyone else. "Mark Zuckerberg spends $30 million on four homes to ensure privacy" - https://www.nbcnews.com/businessmain/mark-zuckerberg-spends-30-million-four-homes-ensure-privacy-8c11379396 https://www.nbcnews.com/businessmain/mark-zuckerberg-spends-...
- tsukikage 2mo agoWe should take a minute to understand that the current lawsuits are pushing, hard, for this. Whether or not Meta also want to do spying thing for their own purposes, we are forcing them to roll this shit out when we declare it's not enough for a user to tell a social media service their age, the social media site needs to be /certain/ and make a big database of their proof. The world that results may be exactly what we want, IDK. It's just be nice if we could decide, collectively, one way or the other, then be deliberate about it.
- altcognito 2mo ago"Current lawsuits are pushing for universal recording because we require users to tell us their age" is a weird argument.
- tsukikage 2mo agoFacebook already requires users to tell them their age, and already mandates minimum ages for users in their T&Cs. Recent and current lawsuits establish that /this is not enough/. Hence, mandatory age checks involving some combination of government ID and face recording, and a big database proving you've done that so you don't get fined when kids get on your platform. We're literally about to require Meta to prohibit the creation of multiple accounts. Their T&Cs already prohibit that, so what we're saying is that just asking is not enough - we are demanding it is enforced. What we ask for, we get.
- edgyquant 2mo agoNone of that is related to recording people without their consent
- throwaway2027 2mo agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOnQ8CD3v4g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOnQ8CD3v4g Person of Interest (2011)
- classified 2mo agoThat series was prescient.
- lapkaaaa 2mo agoPortable Flock camera here we go
- classified 2mo agoGovernment agencies love this stuff. Everything that's illegal for them to do (just in case they still care), Meta does it for them.
- kyleee 2mo agoLike ring doorbell surveillance network
- tamimio 2mo agoFacebook started on the same day DARPA lifelog project was cancelled, it’s just a rebrand, I hope no one believed the story of zuck being innovative in his dorm and made billions out of sheer dedication and grit.
- hotelsacher 2mo agoIf that's true, they chose well. Zuck is as unscrupulous as they come. But since Warren Spector is retiring, I just have to throw in this quote: Do you have a single fact to back that up? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49345070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49345070
- clickety_clack 2mo agoAnd people are paying meta for the privilege of putting these on their own faces?
- classified 2mo agoYou're buying supporter status in the National Surveillance Effort. Seats in patriot heaven don't come for free.
- alasr 2mo agoFB in meat-space: see, for reference, page# 11 of the Meta's patent - https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadPdf/20260238876 https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloa...
- mrweasel 2mo agoCurrently there's a massive, and understandable, backlash against the Meta/Ray-Ban glasses, but I can't understand how it's not absolutely destroying the Ray-Ban brand? Influencers and stores are damaging their brands by selling or advertising the glasses, but Ray-Ban seems to go completely free. I do wonder if we're just moving to shun people wearing glasses with heavy frames in the near future. The glass only seems to appeal to a certain type of people anyway.
- Jcowell 2mo agoPenalty because it’s based on what people think when they see them. They don’t say Meta Raybands but just Meta glasses. If influential people were to start saying the former enough that it becomes then martins. Also is the question of do other Rayband glasses look like it. If this line is distinct enough than it won’t harm other lines since the visual association isn’t made.
- pj_mukh 2mo ago>> "The glass only seems to appeal to a certain type of people anyway." What type of people is that? I am just a dad who has them and films his kids doing cute things without making the phone camera an ever present intrusion while outdoors. It's fine, it's Meta, suspicion is warranted, but I'm hoping it can be moderated and directed. People like me are kind of left out right now in what seems to be a runaway narrative. P.S: Would love a suggestion that doesn't involve angrily telling parents to not take pictures of their kids as an alternative. It sucks that I have to explain that this will be happening anyway.
- MattDaEskimo 2mo agoBecause you're not _just_ recording your kids. You are a walking surveillance camera that nobody has consented to.
- pj_mukh 2mo agoWhich is true for all parents recording all kids with every kind of camera, also in a way that is totally un-actionable. Good faith question: If your worry is, "I don't know you're recording", what did you do with that information when someone was using a digital camera to video record their kids 15 years ago, with you in the background? P.S: if your answer is just "you could be a creep", I totally empathize, but this is for the situation where I am actually just a parent.
- some_furry 2mo agoEvery time Meta does something, it makes me yearn for the day they lose that $1.4 Trillion lawsuit and declare bankruptcy.
- bequanna 2mo agoWon't happen, that's what campaign contributions are for. They will get periodic slaps on the wrist, but this is purely for show. There is too much money to be made and spread around.
- hn_submit 2mo agoThese patents are completely worthless. These glasses will never become socially acceptable and certainly not when they're coming from Meta, a known privacy thrasher/intruder/molester/rapist/violator.
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- globalnode 2mo agosaw an ad today for some ear pieces that look like audio speakers but theyre actually cameras as well, so it seems manufacturers realise glasses will annoy people but arent giving up.
- teiferer 2mo agoThings have become normalized which just a decade ago would have been thought to never be socially acceptable. Frame it differently, make things convenient and offer something "for free" and everybody around you will forget their concerns, if they ever had any.
- ghm2199 2mo agoThere is a reason why they are partnering with Rayban; meta has no brand name it can use. Which is pretty wild, because every other big tech company has _some_ kind of brand a non trivial number of people — paying money — who would say something like: "I really need/want to use it every day because it is useful to me, my work would be severely hampered without it"(or some syntactical variation of that sentence with varying amounts of affection towards the brand)
- malfist 2mo agoTen years ago people would have said the same about a lot of the surveillance tech we have today: TVs that sell your viewing data, always on microphones that listen to everything in your house to send to big tech so you can easily set a timer, doorbells that record your neighbors house and upload everything to the police 24/7, etc
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- godwinson__4-8 2mo agoA lot of comments in here from privileged people complaining about some imagined oppression while ignoring the nature of actual ones. I would love if meta glasses were freely distributed in poor, black and brown communities in the United States where police intimidation and rights violations are routine, and where there is almost no recourse because even when filmed via phone (if you manage it) enough context is missing to allow any litigation to err on the side of taking the word of the police. Not everyone is able to capture these on their phone in the moment, with enough context to make a case. In a world where police are predatory, a camera on your face becomes like a dashcam. Insurance against becoming a victim. Many police are still not required to wear body cams, courts and juries tend to take cops word as veracious evidence. Citizens wearing glasses that record, if evenly distributed, would seem to reflect the surveillance state back at the authorities. If the problem is it's made by Meta, then fine. But it is irritating how much of this no cameras in public discourse seems authored by relatively privileged types who ignore the actual benefits of cameras in public given the power of witness testimony in the courts, and the biased nature in which such testimony is often favored. Imo if you don't have answer for that problem, nor an ability to acknowledge more cameras in public has actually been an equalizer where oppression actually happens, then I have to doubt your sincerity.
- anon373839 2mo agoPolice can and should be reined in. There are so many better levers that can be pulled to do this, if only the political will were present. A technofeudalist surveillance state is a poor solution.
- godwinson__4-8 2mo agoThe political will does not exist. This is not a new problem. Americans have consistently chosen surveillance, for more than two decades now. Unless you have a plan to codify privacy as a right, repeal patriot act era powers and actually have it pass the Senate, then you are by definition advocating a poor solution as it is not viable. Meanwhile in the courts were being poor is criminalized and sends people to actual oppression in jails and prisons right now today as opposed to an imagined "technofeudalist" oppression sometime in the future having a camera recording is usually the best and only defense possible against the state. If no one recorded it's you vs the state, and you will lose.
- bicepjai 2mo agoWhat is it with Meta and destroying society in general? Zuck buys all the buildings in the block to have his privacy, but now wants to patent everyone else’s privacy who happens to be in the vicinity of his product. Researchers already found a dormant facial recognition pipeline quietly sitting inside the Meta AI app earlier this year, built and shipped without anyone opting in. I hope people have the power to sue if there are any recordings without consent. https://www.engadget.com/2187824/wired-found-code-for-an-unreleased-facial-recognition-feature-in-meta-s-ai-app/ https://www.engadget.com/2187824/wired-found-code-for-an-unr...
- MengerSponge 2mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Careless_People https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Careless_People
- Gud 2mo agoI’d post a Wikipedia link to the French Revolution, but I’m too chickenshit. Anyway, an important topic to read about if you want to be a member of a free, democratic society.
- Refreeze5224 2mo agoYou don't have to go as far back as the French Revolution. Labor unions in the late 19th and early 20th century fought pitched battles against the exploitative billionaire equivalents of their day, and it was much easier for the rich to accept t labor's demands when they knew there was real risk of physical harm from the workers they were exploiting. If you work an 8 hour day, or your job can't subject you dangerous conditions with no recourse, thank militant unions who were willing to lay it on the line against greedy oppressors like Zuckerberg.
- Sohcahtoa82 2mo agoThese days though, you got half the population rooting for the billionaires. They'll tell people if they don't like their working conditions or pay, just find a new job.
- ReptileMan 2mo agoSo what exactly is patentable? There has been a lot of prior art on the topic.
- bsenftner 2mo agoYou can create a patent that builds on other patents. You can make up all kinds of "what if" "inventions" and spend a lot of money acquiring patents for them, if you have the money to do this originally. Then it is a game of having the financing to "protect" those patents from infringers. If a corporation has more legal reserves than a patent holder, it can be a long drawn out legal battle where the corporation eventually wins, or the patent holder can just not fight and it ends there. This is the patent system.
- nephihaha 2mo agoWhy do you think it was called Facebook?
- lotsofpulp 2mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_book >A face book or facebook is a paper or online directory of individuals' photographs and names published by some American universities. In particular, the term denotes publications of this type distributed by university administrations at the start of the academic year, with the intention of helping students to get to know each other. A face book or facebook is a paper or online directory of individuals' photographs and names published by some American universities. In particular, the term denotes publications of this type distributed by university administrations at the start of the academic year, with the intention of helping students to get to know each other.
- nephihaha 2mo agoIt's called Facebook, because it collected photographs to be used for facial recognition data, much like personal information was collected for sale to commercial interests. In fact, Facebook often used to ask you to identify people in photographs. Skype and Zoom have been used to train AI to create human likenesses (which is why they are free to users), and probably for identification purposes too. Always read the small print.
- FLeXMurphy 2mo agoJust last week you were all praising Meta for being so noble and chivalrous. What the fuck happened, lads? Whither the Meta?
- spongebobstoes 2mo agothis is a type of false equivalency. the comments you read earlier were likely left by different people the whiplash can be jarring, but it's important to remember that the commentariat are many individuals, not a single entity you can agree or disagree with
- user102030 2mo agohttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy
- FLeXMurphy 2mo agoThere is no false equivalency with the upvote button.
- dylan604 2mo agoWho, what, when, where were people praising Meta? I don't live in that bubble
- FLeXMurphy 2mo agoIt was the usual wankery about them supporting open source AI.
- shevy-java 2mo agoThey spy on people. Their spyglasses are the next step. I'd say Facebook is the most evil company, but we also have Google, so competition is fierce here. Kind of sad to see what became of the big US corporations - Evil prevailed there, continues and expands.
- nelsonic 2mo agoMeta = Dystopian Nightmare Disguised as Photo Sharing and Life Updates :-( It’s taken 2 decades for most people to realise this but “Zuck” is a Bond Villain.
- prometheus1992 2mo agoI was recently at a hotel where the front desk lady was wearing these glasses. I immediately saw the cameras and asked, "are those meta glasses", she said yeah but these are not on right now. I don't get how she thought it'd be a good idea to wear those glasses at a front desk job. This was a nice 4 star hotel in Atlanta. After I came home I decided that I am going to put up a sign in my front yard - "I will shoot you if I see you with meta glasses in front of my house". I don't own a gun but I will definitely put up the sign just to tell people how shitty they are.
- DivingForGold 2mo agoHope lawyers eat him alive ... ZUCK IS PUBLIC ENEMY #1, PUBLIC PERVERT #1. How many male users of these pervert glasses are secretly recording attractive women at gyms, at beaches, in scantily clad clothing wherever, so they can go back home and "spank the monkey"? Our taking the video clips and running it through ai to create nudy content ?
- jsrozner 2mo agoIs the misspelling of "reel" -> "real" in the first sentence a sign that this was written by a human or a trick to make me think it was written by a human? I think it is the former.
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- EagleEdge 2mo agoWowww, meta is taking this whole thing to another level.
- metalman 2mo agocall it "deep creap"
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 2mo ago1786726184 | Meta Patents AI Glasses to Use Facial Recognition to Identify People | https://www.404media.co/meta-patents-ai-glasses-to-use-facial-recognition-to-identify-people-make-highlight-reels-of-your-dinner-party/ https://www.404media.co/meta-patents-ai-glasses-to-use-facia... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49301302 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49301302 1786798199 | Meta Patents AI Glasses to Use Facial Recognition to Identify People | https://www.404media.co/meta-patents-ai-glasses-to-use-facial-recognition-to-identify-people-make-highlight-reels-of-your-dinner-party/ https://www.404media.co/meta-patents-ai-glasses-to-use-facia... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49310153 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49310153