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Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tac

Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.

skinfaxi 2mo ago
Would be interesting to see anti competition law applied here, too. Essentially bundling the two together, leveraging the market for car play to gain adoption for Siri.
cryzinger 2mo ago
Interestingly, I have Google Assistant more or less disabled on my Android phone, but it still works when I have Android Auto enabled (which is fine by me since that's the one time that I ever want to use it).
- netsharc 2mo ago
  I got the email that they're burying Assistant in September... I use it on the phone to set alarms, add tasks or calendar events, I swipe up on the home screen to launch the app, and talk. For calendar, speech ("add calendar event dentist appointment on September 22 at 4pm") is even much more convenient than scrolling to the right month/date, using the UI to pick the time. I'm currently vibe-coding a replacement app to use on-device speech recognition and setting alarms or adding calendar events. Sadly third party apps can't add stuff to Google Tasks without further interaction (or without OAuth) like Assistant/Gemini can.
- deepsun 2mo ago
  Moreover, you cannot turn off Auto, as it will forcefully turn on WiFi even if you explicitly disable it.
dataflow 2mo ago
Is every utilization of CarPlay inside a car performed "while driving"?
delecti 2mo ago
I start my music and navigation route before leaving my garage, and any other interactions (volume up/down, skip song) are buttons on my steering wheel. What do I need voice input for? (I use Android Auto, but it's basically the same thing for these purposes)
- ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
  Do people really use navigation apps often enough for this to be an issue?
  - totallymike 2mo ago
    Are you asking if people use apps to get directions? I don’t have data to back this up, but I’d guess that nav integration is one of the most popular features of CarPlay and Android Auto. I depend on it for road trips, navigating to unfamiliar destinations, or even just sharing ETAs with people
  - JoshTriplett 2mo ago
    Yes, it's one of the most common usages of a phone in the car. And most people I know have exactly that workflow: find and set a navigation destination while parked, then drive there without interacting with the phone.
  - delecti 2mo ago
    I use navigation via Google Maps/Android Auto almost every time I drive anywhere, easily north of 95% of the time.
    - ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
      Why? Are you driving somewhere completely unfamiliar where you have no mental model of how to get there every time? I just kind of don't get why people are so into it.
      - delecti 2mo ago
mejutoco 2mo ago
And Google considers necessary to report (using tactile use while driving) if there are blockages in the road, construction, lane closures, an accident, etc. The discrepancy of using both with an iphone is disconcerting.
rockskon 2mo ago
Hard disagree. Checking the accelerometer to disable tactile functionality when moving would have been a more intelligent way to go about discouraging this behavior over mandating use of a historically unpopular technology (Siri) in order to use a popular one (Maps, Bluetooth music streaming). This reeks of the metrics-gaming desperation that we've seen in Google, Amazon, and Microsoft as well. Shoehorn unpopular technology to gatekeep popular technology. Either way the consumer's quality of life goes down.

skinfaxi 2mo ago

Would be interesting to see anti competition law applied here, too. Essentially bundling the two together, leveraging the market for car play to gain adoption for Siri.

cryzinger 2mo ago

Interestingly, I have Google Assistant more or less disabled on my Android phone, but it still works when I have Android Auto enabled (which is fine by me since that's the one time that I ever want to use it).

netsharc 2mo ago
I got the email that they're burying Assistant in September... I use it on the phone to set alarms, add tasks or calendar events, I swipe up on the home screen to launch the app, and talk. For calendar, speech ("add calendar event dentist appointment on September 22 at 4pm") is even much more convenient than scrolling to the right month/date, using the UI to pick the time. I'm currently vibe-coding a replacement app to use on-device speech recognition and setting alarms or adding calendar events. Sadly third party apps can't add stuff to Google Tasks without further interaction (or without OAuth) like Assistant/Gemini can.
deepsun 2mo ago
Moreover, you cannot turn off Auto, as it will forcefully turn on WiFi even if you explicitly disable it.

dataflow 2mo ago

Is every utilization of CarPlay inside a car performed "while driving"?

delecti 2mo ago

I start my music and navigation route before leaving my garage, and any other interactions (volume up/down, skip song) are buttons on my steering wheel. What do I need voice input for? (I use Android Auto, but it's basically the same thing for these purposes)

ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
Do people really use navigation apps often enough for this to be an issue?
- totallymike 2mo ago
  Are you asking if people use apps to get directions? I don’t have data to back this up, but I’d guess that nav integration is one of the most popular features of CarPlay and Android Auto. I depend on it for road trips, navigating to unfamiliar destinations, or even just sharing ETAs with people
- JoshTriplett 2mo ago
  Yes, it's one of the most common usages of a phone in the car. And most people I know have exactly that workflow: find and set a navigation destination while parked, then drive there without interacting with the phone.
- delecti 2mo ago
  I use navigation via Google Maps/Android Auto almost every time I drive anywhere, easily north of 95% of the time.
  - ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
    Why? Are you driving somewhere completely unfamiliar where you have no mental model of how to get there every time? I just kind of don't get why people are so into it.
    - delecti 2mo ago

mejutoco 2mo ago

And Google considers necessary to report (using tactile use while driving) if there are blockages in the road, construction, lane closures, an accident, etc. The discrepancy of using both with an iphone is disconcerting.

rockskon 2mo ago

Hard disagree. Checking the accelerometer to disable tactile functionality when moving would have been a more intelligent way to go about discouraging this behavior over mandating use of a historically unpopular technology (Siri) in order to use a popular one (Maps, Bluetooth music streaming). This reeks of the metrics-gaming desperation that we've seen in Google, Amazon, and Microsoft as well. Shoehorn unpopular technology to gatekeep popular technology. Either way the consumer's quality of life goes down.