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Rings forged from meteorites may have been fashionable among ancient Greek elite
- rithdmc 2mo agoThey're still fashionable! ... or maybe I'm a geek.
- 542354234235 2mo agoA Greek?
- senectus1 2mo agosame here.. my wedding band is a https://www.chrisploof.com/ https://www.chrisploof.com/ band.
- dan-bailey 2mo agoI don't know where my wife got mine, but I'm also on Team Meteorite (inset into a titanium band -- CP titanium so I don't need to worry about it being cut off in an emergency).
- mock-possum 2mo agoCan I ask how much? The site doesn’t show prices, and I’m worried that’s “if you have to ask you can’t afford it” territory.
- SoftTalker 2mo agoIron is iron. All the iron on earth is the remains of ancient stars. How is it different that it "came from a meteorite?" How could you even verify that? Or put another way, all iron came from meteorites, originally. Why should it cost any more than a couple of nails from the hardware store?
- rithdmc 2mo ago> How is it different that it "came from a meteorite?" Composition and the physical structure of the metal. Entry through the atmosphere really affects it. > How could you even verify that? Composition can be tested, but really, a lot of it is visual.
- senectus1 2mo agoit has a unique crystalline pattern that cannot be replicated in a gravity well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widmanst%C3%A4tten_pattern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widmanst%C3%A4tten_pattern tbh its just a geeky coolness thing.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2mo ago> Iron is iron. How is it different that it "came from a meteorite?" Actual metals are never 100% pure any one element. There are always alloys and impurities that speak to it's origins and history. e.g. "The significant nickel concentration and consistent occurrence of cobalt confirm the meteoritic origin of the iron blades" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1296207417305356 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S12962...
- adrian_b 2mo agoThe iron from meteorites has a very different chemical composition compared to iron extracted from terrestrial minerals. More specifically, the iron meteorites are made of an alloy composed of iron, nickel (5.7% on average), cobalt (0.28% on average) and germanium (0.017% on average), with much smaller quantities of other elements, like gallium, chromium, platinum-group elements and gold. Besides these, there is a certain group of meteorites whose iron alloy also contains up to a few percent of silicon (those come from bodies with too little oxygen, where not all the silicon was oxidized to form silicates). The reason for why the meteorites have this composition, which must resemble the core of the Earth, is that these are the elements that remain uncombined with oxygen when there is not enough oxygen to oxidize everything, so only the elements with a greater affinity with oxygen are oxidized and form a mixture of silicate rocks, while the remainder dissolves in iron. So this very unusual chemical composition is very easy to distinguish from terrestrial iron. Mixing iron with nickel is not enough to simulate it, because there are also the other elements present in smaller quantities, like cobalt and germanium, which show whether an iron alloy is terrestrial or meteoritic. After Earth had formed, it was melted by many impacts and then the heavy iron alloy went to the core, while the lighter rocks floated above it forming the mantle, like the slag in a furnace, and from the mantle, the lightest rocks, i.e. the granitic rocks, raised above the mantle, forming the crust and the continents. Most of the iron remained in the core, and that must have a composition similar with the iron meteorites, while a small part of the iron was oxidized, so it mixed with the rocks. This is the iron that we can find at the surface of the Earth, and when it was oxidized it was not accompanied by the other chemical elements dissolved in the Earth's core, because those are more resistant to rusting.
- 0xffff2 2mo agoI was also curious. A bit of searching suggests that it's in the mid 4 figure range. Honestly not nearly as bad as I expected.
- senectus1 2mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49369341 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49369341
- senectus1 2mo agowell mine was bought back in 2009 for about US$1600 Meteorite Ring, Wide Rails and Lining of 18k Yellow Gold, Semi-Round 6mm wide size T (US 9.75) I would expect that to have gone up a decent chunk in the mean time given the price of gold has skyrocketed since then.
- binaryturtle 2mo agoI can't get past the Cloud<bleep> check. I guess the site/information is for G(r)eek elites only too.
- aftbit 2mo agoUsually I'm with you but it let me in this time without any XHRs or frames off-domain (my standard µMatrix settings).
- binaryturtle 2mo agoNo. No luck here with any form of settings (I generally use uBlock origin in hard mode by default). It always loads the 'Just a quick check -- We’re checking your connection to prevent automated abuse' page. Depending on my settings I may or may not load the actual Cloudflare checkbox. And at that point I just don't want to bother with that site anymore really. Obviously I must be some 11th world country on some random sanctioned list (aka Germany). :-)
- xbmcuser 2mo agoIn ancient times with no light pollution they could probably see and track meteorites falling. And it could have been easier to access to get those metals than mining.
- wood_spirit 2mo agoPerhaps sometimes they saw it hit and went to find it? But the night is long and people should be indoors asleep near the fire and meteorites fall all around the clock anyway? So perhaps they mostly just picked weird rocks up off the ground, as the Inuit did? When you spend time outside with the herds you probably notice unusual wrongs.
- nkrisc 2mo agoThe Inuit probably had a much easier time finding them, as they would stand out quite starkly among snow and ice. Not exactly the same, but I’ve seen video of meteorite collecting on the Antarctic ice sheet near the South Pole and they just fan out in a big line and walk across the ice picking up meteorites.
- whycome 2mo agoAnd part of the year is full day of darkness
- russdill 2mo agoThey go completely dark at a very high altitude. I feel like a bright sunny day would give you a better chance of seeing a falling rock, at least once it gets closer to the ground
- stefan_lec 2mo agoSomething about this feels very Tolkien-ish. Nobody mention it to Peter Thiel, he doesn’t need any more ideas.
- mr_toad 2mo agoSpeaking of myths, one explanation of the mysterious metal adamantine is that it was iron, forged from meteors. To Bronze Age Greeks, lacking the ability to smelt iron, an iron weapon would have been surpassingly strong, sharp and rare. Later, during the Iron Age, Adamantine got retconned into something else (like diamond).
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- neaden 2mo agoThis doesn't really hold water. Iron weapons aren't really any better than Bronze, it's stiffer and lighter with an equivalent size blade but not any harder or sharper. Bronze can be cast in more complex shapes that can help with weapon effectiveness and even during the Iron Age bronze Weapons were used alongside iron ones. Iron is much more abundant so the revolution of the iron age was having much cheaper and accessible metal, not superior. It isn't until Steel that you really see bronze (and iron) become clearly inferior.
- bigbuppo 2mo agoActually, maybe we should. Get him distracted and focused on solving that using all of Palantir's might, and then he'll leave the rest of the world alone.
- karim79 2mo agoI'm 100% certain that such rings grant superpowers determined by a cosmic RNG.
- IAmBroom 2mo agoThe opportunity for fraud is immense, unless the elite sourced their own meteorites.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2mo ago> The opportunity for fraud is immense At the time, not so much. It was called "The Bronze Age" and "The Iron age" came later. The names aren't random. From the article: > The use of meteoritic iron particularly stands out during the Bronze Age because of the lack of iron smelting at the time. In other words, the main source of this special metal was when the Gods occasionally threw down a piece, in a column of fire. See also in ancient Egypt: https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/museums/2013/09/01/23856/ https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/museums/2013/09/01/23856/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1296207417305356 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S12962...
- throwawayffffas 2mo agoIron smelting had not been invented yet. Meteorites were the only readily available source of iron. Upon the invention of smelting all iron rings appear to be smelted.
- mrec 2mo agoHow so? This was the Bronze Age; smelting iron ore wasn't really a thing yet, so meteoric iron was pretty much the only kind available.
- andsoitis 2mo ago> sheds light on how the ancient Minoan and Mycenaean elite Mycenaeans are considered Greek. Minoans generally not considered Greek. Their script, Linear A, has never been deciphered, so we don’t actually know what language they spoke, but most linguists think it wasn’t Greek, based on how poorly Linear A’s signs map onto Greek phonetics when tested as they do successfully with Mycenaean Linear B. Culturally the Minoans also look distinct from later Greek civilization. Different religious iconography (bull-leaping, goddess-centric imagery), different art style, no clear warrior-elite hierarchy the way Mycenaean and later Greek society had.
- throwawayffffas 2mo agoLinear B also maps poorly to Greek as far as I know. It's clearly an adaption of a foreign script.
- andsoitis 2mo agoLinear B maps onto Greek quite well once you understand that it is a syllabary, not an alphabet. The fit is imperfect in specific, well-understood ways. Once you correct for well-understood systematic gaps, though, the underlying grammar, vocabulary, and even some divine names (Poseidon, Zeus, Hera, Dionysus all show up) are recognizably continuous with classical Greek.
- applicative 2mo agoIt is flat out Greek. I can even read some of the transliterations. I laughed like a drain when I saw that one of the leading characteristic key words of Aristotle's teaching, 'heneka' is the main connector in the oldest written Indo European text. three goats heneka one coat , i.e. 'for the sake of' in the context of a list of palace exchanges.
- altmanaltman 2mo agoThe actual paper doesn't claim that, it understands they are two distinct cultures but itn covers the georgaphical Greece in the title not cultural. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305440326001524?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03054...
- AdmiralAsshat 2mo agoMy engagement ring contains meteorite, supposedly from the Gibeon Meteorite, although the fact that a single meteorite is a component advertised in so many rings makes me somewhat suspicious as to the quantity or authenticity. But it looks pretty, anyway.
- bell-cot 2mo agoThe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibeon_(meteorite) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibeon_(meteorite) is 26 tons, plus 100+ fragments in a strewn field of 10,000+ sq. miles. It proves nothing - but from just 100kg, you could put 1/2 carat bits of meteorite in 1,000,000 rings.
- rithdmc 2mo agoI believe the 26 tons includes the fragments.
- bell-cot 2mo agoPoint. The "good enough" scenario I guessed at has a semi-honest treasure hunter finding a 100kg-ish fragment somewhere in those 10,000 sq. mi., then selling it to someone making rings. Lab work (isotope ratios, grain structure, etc.) could confirm that it was very likely part of the Gibeon meteorite - whether or not the ownership paperwork was legit.
- rithdmc 2mo agoOh, I agree with you that it's probably legit from some of those scattered findings. Something I saw while googling is that the composition & crystal structure of this meteorite makes it very attractive for use in jewellery.
- Brendinooo 2mo agoI wonder how many meteorites were laying around in the early days of humans caring about metal.
- jayGlow 2mo agoapparently several thousand small meteors strike earth per year. eventually they'd get buried but there would likely be a pretty huge number of them lying around after a few million years.
- applicative 2mo agoThere are some places, like Cape York, where the meteorite was immense so fragments are in a long line and cold forging gets developed. That is, you keep bumping into bits in the same area so you start to think. Sometimes people are interested in the recurrent fragments but do not forge, as Canyon Diablo, which I think is tough to handle anyway. They know the bits are from the stars, which is quite enough to delight. In Egypt there seems anciently to have been an activity of hunting for where 'iron from the sky' landed, before there was hot forging. I don't know if there is a case of a spectacular strewn zone there, but the phenomenon had been taken on board, and continued much later. I dimly remember first reading about it when a bedoin's camel was found somehow outfitted with something beaten from a meteorite.
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- tikhonj 2mo agoIf I get lucky in IPO land I'll have my eye on a Jaeger-LeCoultre watch with a meteorite dial, so I guess things have not changed all that much in the last 3500 years :P
- qrios 2mo ago> Rings forged from meteorites When I first read the title, it sounded to me like a classic case of Kessler syndrome.
- metalman 2mo agoIt should read Egyptian rings forged from meteorites were fashionable within the regional trading area in ancient times. But : cultural misapropriation
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- yesbabyyes 2mo agoA couple of years ago, this 3000 year old arrow head was found in Switzerland, it comes from a meteorite up in Estonia. I read about this news right when I was visiting the island of Saaremaa and the site. It's an amazing place and as the arrow shows, material like this got traded far even quite far back. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-3000-year-old-arrowhead-was-made-from-a-meteorite-180982691/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-3000-year-old...