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Nice bicycle chain, the little basket with a fish didn't show up in the right place: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=https%3A%2F%2Fgis
by simonw 2mo ago
Nice bicycle chain, the little basket with a fish didn't show up in the right place: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=https%3A%2F%2Fgist.github.com%2Fsimonw%2F5d8474b8a9c1316c21ab5162b564f8ff https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...
- wolttam 2mo agoI think I saw a better overall composition out of Flash 0731 Effort on this one?
- simonw 2mo agoDefault effort for OpenRouter. I'll try a grid of efforts... Wow, the low, medium, and high pelicans came out in surprisingly different styles: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=https%3A%2F%2Fgist.github.com%2Fsimonw%2Fc1108a380593547c2def5863bca63160 https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...
- segmondy 2mo agoexciting. it's almost like 3 models in one. that variety would matter when trying to solve a creative problem.
- throwaway9af11m 2mo ago[flagged]
- simonw 2mo agoIf I live my life on the basis that some people don't share my sense of humor, and hence I should avoid doing anything funny that might be misunderstood, my life will be a lot less fun.
- throw10920 2mo agoYou're doing great. Don't let insanely low-effort (negative-effort, as in making others dumber rather than having no effect?) comments like from the above throwaway affect your actions.
- Barbing 2mo agoI’m always excited to see “simonw” on my screen. More likely than not to be interesting & accessible for those of us outside e.g. compsci. Hope you stay happy so you stay nerdy and keep sharing both with us!
- p1necone 2mo agoIt's interesting that all three of those used roughly the same amount of tokens, and almost entirely output. Feels like the thinking level lever didn't alter cost at all for this specific task, even though it did change the output.
- ComputerGuru 2mo agoI never trust OpenRouter to forward parameters correctly and would only ever conduct benchmarks with the official api, personally.
- ljlolel 2mo agoshould use an open source one you can audit like my site TrustedRouter
- Lerc 2mo agoThat raises the question of what is it actually doing? If it isn't spending tokens on quality, is it the assumptions about the task difficulty that cause it to perform better? Or are their broader differences in the model being run.
- mococa 2mo agoYou don’t need the best model in 99% of cases…
- jug 2mo agoThis is true and is only becoming more important the more they improve. I am already moving to checking so they're at least somewhat following the status quo and otherwise prioritizing price and platform. I think this will be an emerging way of viewing AI in 2027 and the winner will probably be open models and China.
- andy_ppp 2mo agoI think this likely plateaus and we all just get the smartest intelligence humans need running locally…
- f6v 2mo agoDon’t think it’s happening any time soon for most people. My Mac has stayed 32gb for many years now. I don’t think I’m moving into 128gb territory any time soon with all the price hikes.
- ctx_wrangler 2mo ago[flagged]
- f6v 2mo agoYou don’t need Fable or Sol to execute tasks. However, you need them to supervise and plan. Like, Luna is cheap and is at DSV4F level, but it’s not capable of advanced reasoning.
- khimaros 2mo agothese links never work for me. always "Error: Enter a valid URL" when opening in Firefox. maybe a URL escape issue with Glider?
- roflmaostc 2mo agomy firefox works
- ticoombs 2mo agoCan confirm. Also use glider which seems to double encode. I have to open the comment in Firefox/browser and then click on the link
- anigbrowl 2mo agoIs this really the right place to bring up an issue with a 3rd party frontend for HN?
- khimaros 2mo agoto be honest, i hadn't affirmatively diagnosed, but i'm glad i mentioned it because another Glider user corroborated!
- nhecker 2mo agoOn either side of the front wheel is a perfectly reasonable place to carry cargo. I think I'd have taken more issue with the spokes, or at least that's what stood out to me. The chain is indeed nice, however.
- maleldil 2mo agoYour tool is giving "Error: Gist API returned 403"
- polynomial 2mo agoHonestly they should all use their respective pelicans as their logos. Or maybe a browser plugin to do do that on the Hugging Face and OpenRouter sites.
- alpineman 2mo agoI assume this isn't watermarked...
- jeswin 2mo agoFor a while now, I've found pelican rendering to be an unreliable metric for LLM ability - and most people know it. Yet, somehow it gets upvoted to the very top of every new model discussion.
- farfatched 2mo agoIt's just a little fun.
- schafberg 2mo agobecuase most people don't care whether it's accurate, as long as it looks right and is funny...
- m00dy 2mo agoIt doesn't look right at all.
- SturgeonsLaw 2mo agoBut it does look funny
- zero0529 2mo agoWell it is just a bit of fun I think. However, I also think an AGI or an extremely capable model approaching AGI would be able to paint a pelican on a bicycle fairly easily. So in that way it is a good metric.
- rng-concern 2mo agoI agree it's fun, no argument there. However, it's no longer a good metric, as "drawing svg pelicans" is now showing up too much in the training data, so is not proof of generalization.
- pyaamb 2mo agoI prefer the Browser OS test
- crazybonkersai 2mo agoLooks like a belt driven bicycle to me. :D
- Melatonic 2mo agoNot bad but the left foot is still in the wrong place
- ionwake 2mo agowe hitting singularity levels of bicycle chain here
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- jiscariot 2mo agoWonder if we'll ever see optimizations for pelican riding a bicycle svg, make it in to model training runs.
- neuroticnews25 2mo agoWondering about this in simonw pelican threads is part of the tradition.
- biztos 2mo agoBasket? Fish? All I see is the model recursively running itself locally on an eye-pad, which for some reason beyond our understanding is obscuring the invisible fork.
- Melatonic 2mo agoMight be time to also have it try more three dimension pelican rendering. Or a short animated version (even just a few frames) still in standard SVG