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Cursor, since Grok 4.5, has had an incredible deal for frontier level models, their subscription now goes way further than OpenAI or Anthropic. Even on their lo
by satvikpendem 2mo ago
Cursor, since Grok 4.5, has had an incredible deal for frontier level models, their subscription now goes way further than OpenAI or Anthropic. Even on their lower tier plans you can use a lot tokens on their of their first party models (Grok and Composer) and not really run out comparatively. Combine them with an orchestrator and implementor type setup and it goes even further.
- aliljet 2mo agoCan you explain what you mean? These days courtesy of an addictive reset game OpenAI is playing, I can't find anything with frontier intelligence that's more cost efficient...
- timr 2mo agoIf they didn’t constantly reset, they’d be about the same as Anthropic. Right now, I find that Grok offers better value, uses fewer tokens per turn, and makes better code. I haven’t tried Cursor because I don’t want to change editors again, but maybe I should try it…
- apitman 2mo agoAre there any projects that track how much usage of each model translates to how much percentage drop in weekly/5hr windows?
- timr 2mo agoNot that I know of. AA's token use metrics (mentioned in this article) are indicative, however. They say explicitly here that the Grok models are notably token efficient. This is my experience.
- taosx 2mo agoUsage? Not exactly. But I tried to make something that can estimate dollars per tokens in actual usage while taking into account multiple factors. https://harness.eveid.com/lazy-harness-cost-simulation https://harness.eveid.com/lazy-harness-cost-simulation
- hyldmo 2mo agoJust curious, was this coded with Claude or Codex? Copy reads very Claude to me but I’m curious if thats an actual pattern or just me
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- esafak 2mo agoThat is not true; GPT is the most reasoning efficient model family on the market.
- pickleRick243 2mo agoYeah, even without the resets, chatgpt subscription currently goes quite a bit further than an equivalent anthropic plan. The main reason to have an anthropic plan is to get access to Fable 5 if you feel the quality of output makes it worth it.
- timr 2mo agoThe benchmark article we're replying to shows that Grok token usage is at least on par with the latest OpenAI models [1], and significantly cheaper per token: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/grok-4-6#token-use https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/grok-4-6#token-use So depending on how you want to define "token efficiency", Grok is either tied with OpenAI, or in the lead. [1] Though I grant that 4.6 appears to be wordier, on the order of Terra max.
- jesse_dot_id 2mo agoGoes even further to exfiltrate your data, yeah.
- greenavocado 2mo agoThat would be Muse Spark Contributor Tier. 12-21x price reduction at the expense of your digital existence.
- CuriouslyC 2mo agoI'd be the first model I'd reach for if I was providing a free service to AI gooners though. Serves them both right.
- greenavocado 2mo agoThat's exactly what's going on LOL
- hmokiguess 2mo agoI believe they are the only western provider that has Kimi K3 on a subscription plan today as well. I would love to ditch Anthropic and be on Kimi if there were a subsidized plan like that with ZDR
- jeffyaw 2mo agoyou can use Kimi K3 on the typed++ model tier: https://typed.cloud https://typed.cloud
- homakov 2mo agokimi k3 credits end in just a few sessions. Only Grok models allow generous use in Cursor Pro/+
- pkaye 2mo agoGitHub Copilot does have Kimi K3.
- timr 2mo agoWhat’s the multiplier? GH copilot nerfed their product so badly that I unsubscribed.
- pkaye 2mo agoThey don't do request based pricing anymore. Its just token based (1 credit = $0.01) plus some bonus credit based on which plan you subscribe. So for example a $39 plan get $70 of credits. https://github.com/features/copilot/plans https://github.com/features/copilot/plans https://github.blog/changelog/2026-08-06-kimi-k3-is-now-available-in-github-copilot/ https://github.blog/changelog/2026-08-06-kimi-k3-is-now-avai...
- timr 2mo agoYeah, I know, but "credit" translates differently because the models bill at different rates, which gets turned into "multipliers" (or at least, it did). Have they converted entirely to transparent API rates + base allocation now? One of the reasons I left was that if I was going to be billed at API rates anyway, I'd just rather use the APIs. The value proposition still sucks for individuals now, when the other major providers are bundling at below-API rates.
- nomilk 2mo agoHow does Grok 4.5 compare to Opus >= 4.8 though? I'm willing to pay 2x for a 10% smarter model. Intelligence matters that much (because 10% smarter probably saves, on average, several hours of human time).
- redox99 2mo agoIt's a bit worse. I haven't tried so it's pure speculation based on benchmarks, but I'd assume Grok 4.6 is around Opus 4.8 in real world use, but clearly below Opus 5.
- douglee650 2mo agoI've found Fable 5 to be so much better than 4.8. For building a full stack custom CRM and media pipeline tool with video conversion, transcription, and indexing. Supabase, AWS, Meili, NextJS, GCS - lots of surfaces and planes. 4.8 basically couldn't do it, I abandoned the project as the fallback was, "current business processes". With F5 it's been 4 weeks and almost ready for production release.
- mandeepj 2mo agoI have the same quality results with Fable. With just a brief prompt, it created a great static website with a beautiful animation of a workflow. Gemini's output was so poor that I closed the chat. And with Codex, the results were bad, so I discarded them.
- douglee650 2mo agoAgree. Opus 4.8 could make nice little toy and demo apps. This app had a lot of surfaces and pipeline, Postgres, vector search, S3 -- couldn't handle that. Fable 5 is still a lot of work and you have to check it, but it really does perform at senior eng level. Shipping good size features daily.
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- Computer0 2mo agoWhen I last used Cursor their subscription covered usage of ~$20 per month. Have they switched to a subsidized subscription model like ChatGPT and Claude?
- satvikpendem 2mo agoSubsidized for their own models now, plus 20 dollars of API credit for non first party models.
- johnnyApplePRNG 2mo ago>their subscription now goes way further than OpenAI or Anthropic. Until it doesn't... Honestly, this entire OpenAI reset credit fiasco this past week has convinced me to rip off the Codex and Claude Code bandaids and start building my own proper Pi Coding Agent running models that I select and pay for on openrouter. And I am feeling a lot better about it now that I've finally got it working.
- unglaublich 2mo agoBut still for US frontier you're paying 10-20x more per token compared to their limited subscriptions. For China frontier you'll be good though, and that might be the future anyway.
- maxdo 2mo agoGrok is cheaper vs real Chinese frontier aka kimi. Sponsored or not.
- indigodaddy 2mo agoWhat's the cheapest way to use grok models for coding?
- satvikpendem 2mo agoCursor subscription as I mentioned
- johnnyApplePRNG 2mo agoRelying on a single frontier model to just zero-shot all the work is so 2025. Deepseek V4 Flash 0731 is surprisingly capable and cheap. [0] Checkout pi coding agent. You can create as many different sub-agents as you wish, to specialize and understand and tackle or pass off any problem you like. It's refreshing, really. I feel like a coder in control again. [0] https://arcprize.org/results/deepseek-v4-flash-0731 https://arcprize.org/results/deepseek-v4-flash-0731
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- everfrustrated 2mo agoCursor also allows disabling Grok Fast mode which means tokens last forever. Fast is great tho, but nice to have the option.
- indigodaddy 2mo agoThe value in their subscription is bound to the Cursor agent/software only though correct?
- btreecat 2mo agoSounds like you have your final solution