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Really happy for you. It's disheartening how many people put off or choose not to have kids because they think some combination of climate disaster, famine, ove

• embedding-shape 2mo ago
  > There's definitely a risk of over-thinking things. Just do things. You're not likely to regret it. Agree, in general, people over-think a lot, and aren't "just doing things" enough, the world would be a better place if people acted more, over-think less. With that said, some decisions are more long-lasting and have a greater impact than others. I'm another child-less person, mainly because I guess I'm selfish enough to enjoy my life with my wife exactly like it is, and she agrees, but also because I know that if we have a kid, then that's not something you can walk back on exactly, he/she/it/them are there, forever now. Very different from me deciding right now "You know, I'm gonna have a joint, grab a book and go to the beach for this entire Tuesday", the types of decisions I think people should overthink less :)
  • sixtyj 2mo ago
    Yeah, having kids is tough call. I was reminded of a tactic used by life insurance companies, which are more successful when they show a client a photo of themselves at age 70. I pictured myself sitting there alone, lonely, perhaps without a wife by then (a 50/50 chance). And would I be calling friends my own age? Or my kids? Although the likelihood that I won’t get along with them as an adult… you never know; another factor is their future partners… Well, the kids - plus my wife, who wanted kids - won out. But everyone has their own life, the best one they can imagine, so this is definitely not some kind of persuasion—just a description of the logical process I went through back then.
    • thijson 2mo ago
      Our DNA was largely coded by prior generations that didn't really have a choice of reproduction, it just kind of happened because it's a natural result of sex. That connection has been severed in modern civilization. It's going to take a while for our DNA to adapt.
      • sixtyj 2mo ago
        10,000 years is too long for me ;)
  • richie_adler 2mo ago
    Thinking is NOT overrated. Most people go through life never doing it at all.
    • embedding-shape 2mo ago
      > Thinking is NOT overrated I don't think anyone claimed that either. > Most people go through life never doing it at all. That's unfair to others, of course they think. They think differently than you, and about different things than you, but doesn't mean they "go through life never thinking", probably no one does that.
    • dwedge 2mo ago
      I know your comment was just a way to show how much more you think than most people. Which made it really ironic that your second sentence served to disprove your point and not support it.
  • bko 2mo ago
    Curious how old you are. As I've grown older, I noticed the cardinal pleasures don't hit like they used to. I also get nostalgic at times about the wonders of youth, experiencing things for the first time, falling in love, getting my heart broken, the little things of life. I've gotten great pleasure and reassurance knowing that's all ahead of my children. No matter how I progress personally, time marches on and I get to see my kids discover the world. If I do nothing else in my life, I would still feel immensely fulfilled. I think the recent rise in things like Disney adults and interests around video games or popular media (TV/movies) is a kind of biological response. People are free to do whatever they want of course, but I can't help but think that these people, at least biologically, are drawn to these more adolescent interests precisely because they're not experiencing it through the eyes of their children.
    • embedding-shape 2mo ago
      About 35 years old, more or less. > I also get nostalgic at times about the wonders of youth, experiencing things for the first time Yeah, I guess at one point I'll feel like that too perhaps, but I still feel young, I feel like I have more energy each day than the previous one, and every month is experiencing new things for the first time, and personally I don't want that to stop and experiencing those things through the eyes of my children, I want to continue having those experiences myself, together with my wife :) I guess that's where the offhand "I'm selfish" sentiment from my previous comment comes from. > If I do nothing else in my life, I would still feel immensely fulfilled. Do you think you'd feel fulfilled if you didn't have children? Maybe this is the core differences, I feel fulfilled in my life already, more than ever and more every day, I live exactly the life I want today, and I wouldn't want to change it for anything. Even if I became deadly sick tomorrow, I'd feel fulfilled by the life I have lived.
      • bko 2mo ago
        > Do you think you'd feel fulfilled if you didn't have children? As I approached 30 I felt what I now understand as anxiety. Nothing crazy but you wake up one day, you're a year old, you take stock of your life and see what you've accomplished. I chased credentials and new jobs, did well but not yet able to retire. Old relationships grew strained and new ones are hard to form. Etc. I was definitely more afraid of death than you are. I stumbled into children. Met my wife, didn't overthink things and decided to marry her after several years of courtship. She wanted children so I went along with it. After they were born, the anxiety went away entirely. I just watch them grow older. It might change after their grown but hopefully they'll have children and I'll be able to repeat the process (my parents sure have). To answer your question, I don't see a way I could have been fulfilled without children. It brings a lot with it as well. Before children the worst thing that could happen to me is dying. After kids you realize there's a whole world of potential pain and sorrow that is now before you. You're also constantly reminded that every kid is a roll of the dice when you see others in a similar spot as you have children with health or behavioral issues. It's terrifying. But for me life shouldn't be all pleasure. I've always liked exercise because it does feel terrible while you're doing it. But at least you're doing something. I feel that way about children.
  • erfgh 2mo ago
    There's nothing you can really walk back from. Time flows one-way.
    • embedding-shape 2mo ago
      I mean if I decide to go to the beach, but I arrive there and don't like it, I just go home again, tomorrow looks the same regardless probably. Deciding to have a child, or other more "long-lasting" decisions, definitely impacts how your tomorrow most likely looks.
      • erfgh 2mo ago
        Deciding not to have a child also impacts your future. You might change your mind in the future and be unable to have a child or have other health problems that make raising a child difficult. You might reach old(er) age and be alone. Regrets are a thing.
        • embedding-shape 2mo ago
          I think the times I felt like I wanted a child, I've always wanted to adopt anyways, not just add more people to the world but help the ones that already exists here. So with that comes the flexibility of not having to worry about any biological clocks :) Even without children I'll never be alone though, luckily I live in the greatest place in the world! > Regrets are a thing. People keep telling me this, but after 35 years on this planet with still zero regerts, when is that supposed to be happening exactly? ;)
• pshirshov 2mo ago
  > some combination of climate disaster, famine, overpopulation, war or skynet will ensure a life of misery Are people living in/moving towards a saccharine utopia tough?
  • duskdozer 2mo ago
    I suppose if you don't "over"think things
• expedition32 2mo ago
  You don't hear anyone saying they regret having kids because there is a social taboo about it. Ofcourse CPS and therapists know the truth.
• doublerabbit 2mo ago
  Those I know don't because of money. Everyone seems to forget that children cost money. You have to feed them food, medical, clothes, life and anything else. I couldn't afford to have a child in this climate at this time. Yourself, has to be prepared to sink all in to. You have a secure job for the next 25 years, it's a big commitment. The world is overpopulated as it is, adopt. But however, if you can afford all of that and can still support the child then do it, have a kid. Ae overall children aren't cheap. Easy to produce, but extremely costly to maintain.
  • cpburns2009 2mo ago
    Children cost relatively little themselves. What "costs" a lot is the opportunity cost of the mother not working, or paying a salary to someone else to watch your kids.
• richie_adler 2mo ago
  As opposed to have kids because "is the thing to do", "it's time", or "I have to give grandkids to my parents"? Those are much worse reasons to breed.
  • program_whiz 2mo ago
    Correct, no justification to breed is needed whatsoever. Its a biological drive similar to eating and drinking, albeit on longer timescales and across generations rather than individuals. However, thought processes like the one you identified above are probably adaptive, as gene lines which spend time trying to find the "justifiable reasons" for breeding were likely eliminated. Gene lines where "I can raise my kids with like-minded community of peers", "I feel ready for more in life", and "sharing children with my parents, and letting my kids bond with healthy gradparents" (restatements of your phrasings) win out and reliably produce healthy offspring. So those reasons become strong motivators (despite being un-necessary justifications), that may seem irrational at first glance.
• gilrain 2mo ago
  My partner and I adore our childfree lives… not worrying about them suffering climate change is just the gravy!
  • thijson 2mo ago
    Climate change is inevitable, whether we exist or not. The sun will continue to get hotter over the next few billion years. Life is a struggle, it sounds like you would rather just give up. I guess evolution is working as intended.
    • muwtyhg 2mo ago
      > Climate change is inevitable, whether we exist or not. The sun will continue to get hotter over the next few billion years. The thing people are thinking about when deciding not to have children for climate reasons is climate change on a human timescale, not a geological/astronomical one. There is a very real chance that children born today will live through a wildly different climate than their parents did. As far as evolution goes, there are plenty of species that will not breed or even eat their young when circumstances are not good enough to raise them. It's not that out-there for people to put off or avoid having children due to environmental stressors like climate change. We, as humans, can just rationalize and understand it over a longer time period than, say, a Spotted Hyena.
• random_ind_dude 2mo ago
  >There's definitely a risk of over-thinking things. Just do things. You're not likely to regret it. Somebody probably gave Trump the same advice, and he took it to heart.