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They're so horrible that I've started defaulting to their AI summaries. And I hate those summaries. It's just that the regular results are so terrible now, and
by gspr 2mo ago
They're so horrible that I've started defaulting to their AI summaries. And I hate those summaries. It's just that the regular results are so terrible now, and seemingly getting worse at a noticeable pace.
I used to not worry. I was sure that a competitor would come along and fix search. But the longer that's not happening, the more nervous I'm getting that we'll actually lose search. If a few more years pass in the current state, I'm afraid the majority of people will forget what search was like and default to AI summaries.
I've tried alternatives, including Kagi (not actually relevant because there's no way I'm – directly or indirectly – buying Russian products) and Uruky, but they're not good enough.
(Edit: Added "directly or indirectly" about Kagi to point out that I'm not claiming that Kagi itself is Russian.)
- onli 2mo agoBrave search works really well, I haven't switched to Google search for months.
- gspr 2mo agoThank you for your suggestion. I think I've discounted Brave automatically because my brain is numb to the dime-a-dozen chromium browsers out there. I'll definitely give the search a try!
- spiderfarmer 2mo agoIf I recall correctly Brave scrapes the web via their users, cannot be individually disallowed in robots.txt and Brandon Eich is conversing in a pretty hostile manner in every thread about him or his company.
- GreenVulpine 2mo ago[dead]
- onli 2mo agoI'm not in the brave ecosystem otherwise nor a big fan. But the search engine was competitive with google when it was still cliqz, before it was shut down there and the leftovers bought by brave. And it still works really well. Even if brave were problematic it would be the lesser evil to me.
- GolfPopper 2mo agoI stopped paying attention to Brave years ago when it started fiddling with advertising-linked cryptocurrency and content injection. Is there any reason I should extend it any trust now?
- ehnto 2mo agoUnsurprisingly all search engines seem to be struggling with AI content sites as well. It's rare to get human articles, sometimes rare to even get authorative websites. It's frequently a bot site with a plausible enough name like, potterspainterly.com or medhealthdirect or something with oddly specific articles written in the last year.
- Gigachad 2mo agoThis is the root problem. The idea that Google is deliberately sabotaging search seems far less likely than the idea that the internet is mostly garbage and SEO slop.
- mittensc 2mo agoperhaps this would not be a problem if google did not directly monetize AI Slop... for that matter why even include AI crap in search.
- Gigachad 2mo agoThe Google conspiracy has been getting shared for long before AI slop came in to the picture. The fact is that SEO people got too good at their jobs and filled the search results with junk.
- mittensc 2mo agoGoogle can properly classify email spam. They should be able to fight this as well. Problem is they are the ones funding the poor quality spam and they're in turn profiting by taking money from advertisers.
- Nasrudith 2mo agoSpamming can be found by metadata and reports. There is no "this site is absolute crap" button for them to find useful feedback in searches.
- gostsamo 2mo agoKagi is not russian. The founder is from Serbia and the company is american. PS: I hope not many people are the type to see a slavic name and conclude Russia.
- germandiago 2mo agoProbably what is happening here is that in the race for AI, which, whether we like it or not, means power and control, Google crafted things in a way that it does not do "self-competition" by their old search engine. Idk, just throwing ideas aloud here.
- roysting 2mo ago[dead]
- drysine 2mo ago> there's no way I'm – directly or indirectly – buying Russian products Why not?
- matkoniecz 2mo agoIn my case: Russian state is my direct enemy and most likely to invade my country. And would do it if they would consider success likely. Previous wars with Russia were obnoxious with very bad consequences, so I dislike idea of even very indirectly funding them. And I support actions that are harmful to Russian economy, also when they are harmful to me - as long as it is not too badly balanced. As this is much cheaper than directly participating in war. (I am from Poland) PS Yes, I understand that at some point there are some indirect effects that you cannot avoid. I also understand if for some people paying Kagi that pays tiny fraction of that to Yandex that is paying taxes in Russia which funds their wars is too tenuous connection to care.
- inigyou 2mo agoI think at this point Russia is failing so hard they don't need a 100% boycott any more. 99.9% is enough.
- drysine 2mo ago>Russian state is my direct enemy and most likely to invade my country. And would do it if they would consider success likely. What makes you think so? >Previous wars with Russia were obnoxious with very bad consequences What do you mean?
- maximinus_thrax 2mo ago> What makes you think so? Your resident propagandists like Solovyov, Dugin and Medvedev are very explicit about invading former warsaw pact countries when they're not threatening Europe with nukes. > Previous wars with Russia were obnoxious with very bad consequences They didn't teach you about the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in your russian school? Of course not, it doesn't fit the great patriotic war narrative. It's about that time when your country's leadership was friendly with the nazis and decided to split eastern europe between themselves. Look, a picture of stalin shaking hands with a nazi: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H27337%2C_Moskau%2C_Stalin_und_Ribbentrop_im_Kreml.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Bundesar...
- casey2 2mo agoThat's certainly the goal, to drive more users to AI by making the other option worse. The real question is when do you put a stop to it. When brain implants are 2x as productive are you going to say nah? It's times like these were you are supposed to take a step back and consider what you are actually producing and why.
- apothegm 2mo agoHow is Kagi indirectly Russian?
- matkoniecz 2mo agoThey are repackaging bunch of search engine results, including Yandex (and paying for it). Yandex is Russian. I would not describe it as Kagi being indirectly Russian.
- sgt 2mo ago> I would not describe it as Kagi being indirectly Russian. What do you mean? That Kagi is directly Russian? Paying a russian provider isn't against the law and at some point we need to bring Russia back into the warmth of the West.
- inigyou 2mo agoYou need to get over your Russophobia, because Kagi is actually good. Or else make your own Yandex.
- duskdozer 2mo agoThis is just papering over it individually, but https://github.com/iorate/ublacklist https://github.com/iorate/ublacklist is the only thing that makes searching bearable for me now.